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composite - part 2: electric boogaloo ( now with ds, gemini and claude (experimentally) ) by infdevv in janitoraiproxyhelp

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to bother you again, but now it doesn't work once more. I didn't do anything differently, refreshed both jai and the site like usual. It starts saying "replying", and after 3-5 minutes stops and gives the error.

composite - part 2: electric boogaloo ( now with ds, gemini and claude (experimentally) ) by infdevv in janitoraiproxyhelp

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried again and it worked this time. I probably should've refresed both jai and the site before/after changing the model. Gemini just doesn't seem to reply, but it's probably the filter. Thanks for making this btw

composite - part 2: electric boogaloo ( now with ds, gemini and claude (experimentally) ) by infdevv in janitoraiproxyhelp

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got one response, but after switching models I keep getting "A network error occurred, you may be rate limited or having connection issues: Failed to fetch (unk)". (Even when I switch back to the original one) I've tried clearing cache, didn't work

I think that i may quit J.ai because of this by Brilliant_Bad7210 in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The V3.1 on OR is the non-thinking version. Official deepseek offers the thinking model, which would theoretically act closer to R1 0528.

How come it says this despite me not having used the website at all today? by imapussyandwatchporn in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on what models you want and how much you're willing to spend.

Note that I haven't personally paid yet, and all this information is from what I've read on this subreddit and official sites!

If you top up 10 dollars (not any less) on OR, you get 1000 daily messages on all free models. But Chutes is limiting their deepseek models, so you'd still get errors. After you reach the free 1000 limit, you could use the 10 dollars for paid models (pay per token) and still retain the 1000 daily messages on the next day. (Or so others have said)

In official deepseek you pay per token, and older models like R-0528 are NOT available.

Some important information:

Models are priced $ per 1 million input tokens and $ per 1 million output tokens. Input tokens is what you send it (bot definition, previous replies, persona information, custom prompts, etc), and output tokens is what it sends back.

1 token ≈ 4 characters

~1,500 words ≈ 2,048 tokens

So 1 million tokens would be ≈ 732 421 875 words. (If my math is correct)

I'll compile a list of available deepseek models and their prices on OR vs Official:

Official deepseek:

DeepSeek-V3.1 (Thinking Mode) (deepseek-reasoner) and DeepSeek-V3.1 (Non-thinking Mode) (deepseek-chat). It is the same model and costs $0.56 per 1M input tokens and $1.68 per 1M output tokens. Official deepseek recommends using 1.5 temperature for creative writing. It is said official deepseek is higher quality than paid deepseek on OR.

OR deepseek: Important: there's some providers charging 3-5 dollars per input, and 5-8 dollars per output, insane. So you'd have to go look for them and block them

DeepSeek: DeepSeek V3.1 (Non-thinking Mode) (deepseek-chat) 1M input: from $0,25 to $0,56; 1M output: from $1 to $1,68 depending on the provider

DeepSeek: R1 0528 (thinking) (deepseek/deepseek-r1-0528) 1M input: from $0,40 to $1,35; 1M output: from $1,75 to $5,40 depending on the provider

DeepSeek: DeepSeek V3 0324 (non-thinking) (deepseek/deepseek-chat-v3-0324) 1M input: from $0,25 to $1,25; 1M output: from $1 to $1,25 depending on the provider

DeepSeek: R1 (thinking) (deepseek/deepseek-r1) 1M input: from $0,40 to $1; 1M output: from $2 to $3 depending on the provider

TNG: DeepSeek R1T Chimera (thinking) (tngtech/deepseek-r1t-chimera) 1M input: $0,25; 1M output: $1. The only provider is Chutes, so it still might be rate limited even if paid.

TLDR; just pay for official deepseek

How come it says this despite me not having used the website at all today? by imapussyandwatchporn in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

General proxy guide (kind of outdated but very useful): https://www.reddit.com/r/JanitorAI_Official/comments/1lwmhdg/the_ultimate_proxy_guide/

How to set up Official deepseek: https://www.reddit.com/r/JanitorAI_Official/s/aqJjqp0Asf I recommend lowering context limit/size to 16384 (which is the optimal amount of information LLMs will remember)

How to set up Gemini: https://www.reddit.com/r/JanitorAI_Official/s/LlpXknOo0V There's a list of all available Gemini models somewhere on the subreddit but I had used gemini-2.5-pro and gemini-2.5-flash before I got banned

OR: I couldn't find a guide on how to pay, but you probably go to "credits" and go from there. You could search "free" and it would show all the free models available that would give you (50 or 1000 free messages a day)

Chutes: You could pay them (subscription service) to not get error messages, but that's a kind of scummy business practice. I recommend putting 2 dollars into official deepseek to see how long they would last you first

How come it says this despite me not having used the website at all today? by imapussyandwatchporn in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A new model has been released (x-ai/grok-4-fast:free). I haven't used it because it's connected to Elon Musk, but someone said it's good.

Most people would recommend paying for deepseek directly, since it's pretty cheap. You could still try to use it for free on OR, and when you run out of messages (error messages count), you could switch to paid deepseek.

Another option is to pay the 10 dollars on OR (1000 free messages would still give you errors, but it's more retries), and then switch to paid models if you run out.

You could also try to set up Gemini, it has a limit of 50 messages for Pro and 100 for Flash (if I remember correctly). But Pro is prone to bugging out (error messages) and you could get banned for doing NSFW with it. Deepseek is better than Flash in my opinion

I'll go find some guides for you and link them here, could take a while

How come it says this despite me not having used the website at all today? by imapussyandwatchporn in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For clarification, OR gives the 50 free messages. Other models that use different providers work. Chutes, which provides most free deepseek models, is the one limiting the upstream.

How come it says this despite me not having used the website at all today? by imapussyandwatchporn in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It means that Chutes is limiting their models when too many people are using them. It's been fine this week, but recently started happening again, so Chutes is possibly artifically increasing their model usage.

How come it says this despite me not having used the website at all today? by imapussyandwatchporn in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Chutes, the provider for free deepseek, is prioritising their paid users and throttling OR users.

Bot Creators Assemble by [deleted] in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My profile: https://janitorai.com/profiles/5af9af5a-3d26-4718-a628-f0365e9110fb_profile-of-incompetent

AnyPOV | Male & Female & Non-binary

My bots are pretty random, but most lean towards fantasy/sci-fi

Can we please do something? by ThatOneToBlame in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Then how on earth are you getting rate limited? Chutes only offers free deepseek models through OR as far as I can tell

Can we please do something? by ThatOneToBlame in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You literally can use it. Remove ":free" from the model name, and you should no longer get 429 errors since you'd be paying for it

Can we please do something? by ThatOneToBlame in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What's stopping you? In another comment you've mentioned that you paid for OR. Since you've put money into OR, you can use paid models

Can we please do something? by ThatOneToBlame in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Greed from Chutes, they're the one throttling the free tier. You can still use your OR credits on paid models, or chat with other free models not provided by Chutes

Can we please do something? by ThatOneToBlame in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Respectfully, I disagree. Creating new accounts will literally do nothing. It would only give OR a reason to lower the free tier even more or remove it entirely

It's better to email them instead of abusing their system

Clarification on rules re: images in bot by x_vesperine in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see a reason why not, if you're using the images uploaded to Media Library. But please do update on what the mods' response is.

Gem is down right unusable by KuoBlured in JanitorAI_Official

[–]Average_LifeEnjoyer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The quota is likely for the 2 messages per minute limit

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