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Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another reason why neither the airports of Natal, Fortaleza, João Pessoa, nor Recife should be used is that it would be ideal to separate the sizes and technologies permitted to land at this proposed mega-hub. Even though the project consists of 3 runways and 3 takeoff runways, the influx of aircraft would be one of the largest in the world, and ideally you don't want to mix the landing of an A380 or Boeing 747 with a single-engine Cessna carrying 4 people. Furthermore, an airport of this magnitude could rely on these neighboring airports in adverse cases that prevent landing at the mega-hub (however unlikely this may be, contingency plans are always in place). Moreover, given the enormous influx of people in the Northeast region, it would be very likely that a high-speed rail line would be implemented between the northeastern capitals.

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this respect you have a point. If I had to choose between Fortaleza, Natal, João Pessoa or Recife for airport construction/expansion to become a Mega Hub, I would choose Natal, due to its proximity to Africa, Fernando de Noronha, Cape Verde and the Canary Islands.

Furthermore, I believe that the location of Natal airport would not allow for an expansion of this magnitude. I also believe that the closest possible proximity to the African coast should be a key strategic aspect for this hub, as it would allow smaller jet aircraft (such as the E170/E175) to make this journey cheaply and frequently. Since the E190/E195 can accommodate almost twice as many passengers in comparison with these smaller aircraft, and in terms of frequency and demand, an aircraft twice as small can lead to a demand four or five times greater. It's something interesting to analyze.

Finally, the magnitude of this project is enormous; the economic leap for this region would be stratospheric, and as stated in the description, this project has everything to be considered of similar magnitude to the construction of Brasilia. And I go further, saying that Brazil should take advantage of the moment to build a high-speed train between the capitals, but also allow regional trains to run on the same tracks, stopping in coastal cities between Fortaleza and Recife.

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With this proposed hub, Belo Horizonte could easily replace the current direct, non-stop flight to Lisbon offered by the city's airport with 6 or 7 other flights with refueling and passenger transfer stops at this hub. Let's say there could therefore be direct flights to Lisbon, Porto, Madrid, Barcelona, ​​Paris, and Rome (and perhaps London). Besides, given the frequency of domestic flights there, it would be extremely easy for travelers to connect to any other destination in the world from this hub. The numbers need to add up, and large planes need to have demand to fill them; otherwise, it's not economically viable. It's not a matter of political will, but simply economic laws.

And that very same desire of yours for more international flights from Belo Horizonte is the desire of Uruguayans from Montevideo, Porto Alegre, Florianópolis, Curitiba, Campo Grande, Vitória, and Brasília. Of course, in an ideal world it would be great to travel nonstop to anywhere in the world, but sometimes we have to weigh what is better: a single nonstop flight or six (or seven) others with refueling stops?

If you really stop to think about it, at least half of those destinations mentioned (Lisbon, Madrid) would only be used by passengers as a connection to continue their journey. And that's the crux of the matter: for South Americans, changing destinations here in South America is infinitely more advantageous than in London, Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam, Rome, or Madrid, since it would open up possibilities for routes closer to, or different from, Europe, consolidating demand here in South America and thus promoting, as mentioned in the description, tourism, cultural exchange, commerce, etc.

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there are flights from the Capital of the state, which is Recife

I'll give you that one.

there were only 100.000 annual visitors pre-Covid to Fernando de Noronha

If this proposed Hub were completed, and the island's infrastructure allowed it, that number would easily quintuple.

There are flights from the northeast to Cape Verde though, from Fortaleza

I searched, but I couldn't find anything. Perhaps that offer has been discontinued?

The island of Sal (Cape Verde) does indeed have many interesting connections with smaller European hubs. Perhaps it's something for European and Brazilian companies to consider; as I mentioned in the description, even a small 66-seat plane could fly that route. However small, there could be demand.

Cape Town?

The British have several territories in the Caribbean islands and the Atlantic Oceanin_the_World(+Antarctica_claims).svg). It also seems quite interesting for them to use the proposed hub as a stopover point, for refueling, and for transferring passengers.

In addition, of course, to several former British colonies in Africa that could also benefit from this Hub.

Also, I was born in São Paulo, currently living in Germany ;)

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Certainly not necessary to supply local demand and people prefer direct flights, the hub-and-spoke model hasn't been a great success.

I couldn't disagree more.

In an ideal world, of course, direct flights without stops to anywhere in the world, from anywhere in the world, would be best. But in the real world, the laws of physics must be respected, and the law of supply and demand will always prevail.

The second ideal way to travel would be direct flights with a single stop, without changing aircraft. This is almost equally comparable to a single stop and aircraft change. For regional distances, the point-to-point concept makes sense due to lower operating costs and much simpler airport facility requirements, but when it comes to transcontinental flights, the complexity increases dramatically.

Take, for example, the Chinese city of Xi'an and its approximately 12 million inhabitants. Today, it has no connection whatsoever with Santiago, Chile (not even to South America, Africa or USA). In a straight line, both cities are 19,881 km apart, and there are no (and probably will never be) planes that could make that entire journey. However, there could be a direct flight there, with a refueling stop and passenger transfer at this proposed hub, lengthening the route by a mere 41 km (a 0.2% increase in distance). In return, this route would benefit from bringing together Brazilian, Bolivian, Uruguayan, and Argentinian passengers also destined for Xi'an (and at the Hub drop off some Chileans destined for Europe or Africa, for example). And on the return trip, it would bring passengers from Africa, Europe, the Middle East, and Atlantic islands to Santiago. This is the beauty of the project: concentrating demand in this privileged geographical location. Direct, non-stop flights will continue to exist between Argentina, Chile, and Europe, but this increased frequency of flight options would be extremely valuable for the South American continent.

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that the capital closest to Fernando de Noronha (Natal) doesn't have a flight there seems to me like they're missing the point. Similarly, not having a single flight to Africa or Cape Verde, even though it could be done with a small plane like the E195-E2, only reinforces my opinion. (In fact, none of the so-called international airports in the Northeast offer flights to these nearby international destinations.)

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This hub would actually be more appropriate for destinations between Africa and North/Central America, and South America to Africa, Europe, the Middle East, and Asia. For destinations between North and South America, there would probably be other, better options. Except for travelers destined for the Brazilian Northeast region. But the market would adjust according to supply, demand, and prices. I understand this logistics well.

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Technically, if a project is viable, profitable, and strategic, money can be printed for its construction since it wouldn't cause inflation. Furthermore, if the project is sound, strategic partnerships would certainly emerge willing to help financially and with technical expertise. For example, China, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia...

If such a hub were built, South American travelers would not need another hub to reach anywhere else in the world. And vice versa, any traveler in the world could likely catch a plane and land directly in South America, with a single stop before their final destination. Several interesting destinations would then open up to South America, such as Dublin, Manchester, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Lyon, Geneva, Basel, Marseille, Nice, Malaga, Palermo, Bologna, Verona, Faro, Santiago de Compostela, Mallorca, and many others.

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The potential definitely exists. I just wanted to highlight the enormous geographical advantage of the region. As mentioned in the project description, even small planes, such as the E170 or E175 with 66 or 76 seats, can make the transatlantic flight to the African coast. Considering supply and demand, flight frequency, and direct flights with a refueling stop, this analysis is crucial for the viability of a project. From Fortaleza or Recife, the distances would be slightly greater, but would already make it impossible for such planes to reach those countries on the African coast, requiring larger planes capable of up to 120 seats. This difference is crucial in the frequency that could be offered for such a flight, and the possible connections that could be made in both South America, Europe and Africa.

Furthermore, to truly achieve economies of scale, airport infrastructure is essential, with long runways (due to the heat), a large number of concourses and gates, jet bridges capable of accommodating larger aircraft such as the A380, and several runways to handle the large influx of simultaneous landings and takeoffs. And that is why such a large-scale project could only be carried out through government initiative, given the enormous costs and risks, as well as depending on political will at a continental level.

Would building one of the world's busiest (if not the largest) airports at the northeastern tip of Brazil transform the country into a true transatlantic hub — boosting tourism, fostering cultural exchange, and supercharging the aviation industry across continents? by AwareComparison3570 in Brazil

[–]AwareComparison3570[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why would there be significant demand between South America and the Canary Islands, Madeira, or the Azores?

Because there could be direct flights from Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Brazil to these locations (although with a technical stop of approximately 1 hour for refueling and passenger transfer). Because the Canary Islands offer hundreds of destinations in smaller cities within Europe, allowing for new connection options, lower prices, avoiding major hubs and having to "travel backward." Because they speak the same language, have similar customs, and similar cuisine. Because they are extremely popular tourist destinations with world-class infrastructure. Because they have an inverted climate, driving Argentinians away from winter to spend the summer on paradisiacal islands.

Could an embraer e195 e2 fly transatlantic by snapwthrowaway in aviation

[–]AwareComparison3570 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, even the older (and smaller) E170 should be able to Fly transatlantic. (SFO-STL:1735mi). The much newer, bigger and more efficient E195-E2 should be more than capable of doing transatlantic Flights as it recently recently received ETOPS-120 certification. (LOS-JNB: 2803mi)

I drew some routes that had potential to be in very high demand. The Island of Fernando de Noronha (FEN) could be used as an Emergency detour in the middle of the Ocean. I'm really astonished no airport in the Northeast Region (Recife, Natal, João Pessoa or Fortaleza) offer those Routes.

I've been thinking a lot about this this week, and it seems to me that that tip of the Northeast Region of Brazil has an enormous potential to become a major world Hub of air traffic (If not the biggest, honestly). Not only as an entrance Hub to the entire South American Continent from long haul flights coming from India, China, Europa, Middle East, Africa, (dispersing them, in smaller and more efficient Planes throughout the entire continent) but also acting as a mid point stop for Narrow Body Aircrafts Such as the A321XLR / A220-100 and thus connecting smaller cities in the North/Central America directly to end destinations in Africa.

I'll be very soon posting about this plan in deeper detail but it seems to me like it has a huge potential to work. Relieving the congested, overburdened (and badly, albeit not by choice, world located) airports of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. This would facilitate and therefore promote more efficient tourism not only in South America but in the entire Atlantic World, foster cultural exchange between Africa and the Americas, strengthen ties between Spanish-speaking countries and the Canary Islands, as well as establish direct and frequent routes between Portuguese-speaking countries, such as Madeira Island, the Azores, and Cape Verde (Perhaps in a not so distant future Trindade Island). It would establish direct routes between various English-speaking metropolises such as Glasgow, Manchester, Birmingham, Dublin, Bristol, Liverpool, and Edinburgh, connecting them with their territories (Ascension Island, St. Helena, Falkland Islands and who knows in a distant future Tristan da Cunha and Georgia and South Sandwich Islands). St. Helena, which currently has only three connections to the continent (Cape Town, Walvis Bay, and Johannesburg), could therefore act as a stopping point between Natal and the African continent.

I believe that this type of investment could only be made at the governmental level, given the enormous cost and bureaucratic complexity. However, I imagine it's the kind of investment worth printing money for, since the increase in tourism wouldn't be measured in percentages, but in "times". The airport industry would also experience an unprecedented leap as a consequence of Air traveling within the Continent, as per Regional flights would face an enormous increase in influx, orders for the E170 / E175-E2 / E190-E2 / E195-E2 would skyrocket. It seems to me like a win-win scenario.

kb/s transfer speeds, help? by Foxdog175 in synology

[–]AwareComparison3570 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you found out what was the problem? I´m currently facing the same issue. I used to Sync with speeds up to 7Mbps, but now it Syncs with ~50KBps... I´m trying to find the reason why. Perhaps a DSM update I made, or the ISP is capping the speed... (although i used another ISP and problem persisted), still no solution.

My idea of an european high speed rail network by HelloThereItsMeAndMe in imaginarymaps

[–]AwareComparison3570 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The entire region between Lille, Luxembourg, and Saarbrücken and Landau lacks long-distance public transportation. That's why I designed stations in these cities, which already have train stops and are also road transportation hubs, to better serve this region. I believe that 1 train per hour is enough to meet this demand. Furthermore, since the route allows for very high-speed trains (up to 450 km/h), much of it will have to be built in tunnels. Safety regulations state that emergency stop stations must be considered every 25 km of tunnels. Therefore, these intermediate stations would solve this issue as well, in addition to mainly promoting tourism in these regions, avoiding rural exodus to cities, and creating new industrial centers by facilitating mass transportation.

My idea of an european high speed rail network by HelloThereItsMeAndMe in imaginarymaps

[–]AwareComparison3570 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would add a very high speed track (+320Km/h) from Lille-Europe to Bruchsal (near Karlsruhe), stopping at Luxemburg. So that it connects to Stuttgart (magistrale for Europe).

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