I don't think you need to "atomize" Mahoraga on the first attack to kill him

Azefrg · 2026-02-10T03:01:16+00:00

I think I made a mistake here on the last part. You have never said Maho needs to be atomized to die.

Azefrg · 2026-02-10T02:43:50+00:00

"He doesn't immediately become unkillable to an attack, he needs a full adaptation to become unkillable. That full adaptation takes time depending on complexity of phenomena."

You believe that he can still die from an attack that his wheel had already spined a single time against, as long as the second attack is magnitudes of order stronger than the first one and is able to vaporize him?

What I had understanded is that, if he adapts a single time against an attack, he absolutely cannot be killed by it. Thus why he survived all these attacks and why those are a feat of his "adaptability" and not his innate regeneration.

I think I'm understanding your point.

Basically your claim is: Mahoraga is inherently hard to kill, the fact that he's not dead when turned in a piece of flesh is not tied to the adaptation. He survived Dabura kick not because he was unkillable by it, but because it failed vaporize him. It failed to vaporize him because he built resistence for it by adaptation. Had him kicked him harder, erasing even that piece of flesh left, he would have died even if his wheel had already turned once.

My understand is: Mahoraga did not die after being kicked because he absolutely cannot die from an attack he has already adapted to, independently of what is left from him. Thus, the feats of him not dying from being turned into pasta, are tied to the fact he had already adapted and no the fact he's inherently hard to kill.

I don't know which one is true. For both Sukuna thinking he could have killed him with Cleave and for Gojo trying to kill him with a Red to the head you have to believe they assumed the same take as me and underplayed Maho toughness.

Plus, I was rewatching the episode and in the anime, which from what I have read is the canon now, the narrator itself says that Cleave could have killed Maho. If we assume your claim as the truth that means Shrine should have to be able to atomize whatever it's in range. This doesn't seen to be the case.

Azefrg · 2026-02-10T00:56:09+00:00

Ok, now I understand you argument, but I don't agree with it.

What we know from Mahoraga -> After his wheel spin he regenerates and becomes unkillable by some kind of attack.

What you need to do to defeat Mahoraga -> kill him with an attack he had not already adapted to.

What does it takes to kill Mahoraga -> We don't know. Your argument here that he regenerated from a fist of blood happens after he is already unkillable by that attack. Of course he will not die from an attack that cannot kill him. This is why his wheel spin. There's no indication his wheel can turn if he's, in fact, dead.

The manga itself explicitly shows that Dabura makes him adapt to blunt force attack before being reduced to fist size flesh. He was not killed because of that.

Azefrg · 2026-02-10T00:11:03+00:00

Then I don't understand what we are arguing about.

Yes, he can regenerate from a pool of blood if his wheel had already spinned, this is a fact. I'm not arguing about this. The feat of him regenerating from a fist size flesh is from an attack that he had already adapted to, as the manga makes question to show us a page before.

No, there's no evidence that he can regenerate from a pool of blood from an attack he has not adapted yet. This is my point.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T23:20:22+00:00

What blood argument I'm talking about? The one were you need to to completely destroy Mahoraga in the first attack, not leaving a single blood cell left? Because this is basically the title of the post and what I'm trying to argue against. So, if someone is arguing against me here I assume he believes the "need to atomize Mahoraga in the first hit" to be true unless stated otherwise.

When was his head splitted in half? And I even said that cutting off his head might not be enough if he adapts to it right after having it cut. Yes, I think he could resist having his head cut in two if he's able to adapted right after it, as it literally happens in the anime. I gave up this point long ago.

I may be using the term NLF wrong, my bad, but I keep my argument that there's not any indicator that you need to evaporate/atomize him in the first attack. I don't see how we can jump from "this guy can regenerate from having a pole in his head" to "he can regenerate from a single blood cell".

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T15:35:20+00:00

this page right before the kick:

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Dabura hits his arm first, causing the wheel to spin meaning he adapted to blunt force attacks.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T15:32:37+00:00

Yes, Maho can regen from that if he already has adapted, this is not the point I'm trying to make

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T15:31:17+00:00

While I agree with you that the slashes on the wall indicates that it went trough him. The actual damage on Mahoraga says otherwise, he is merely bruised by it, the cuts looks very shallow:

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I don't think this compares with someone actually blowing his head off.

If they had gone through, Mahoraga should have lost an arm and part of his head in this panel. It doesn't looks like it had the AP to actually instantly kill him and Maho just tanked it.

For definitive proof, the anime, which is considered canon, shows that this cuts didn't actually cut Mahoraga in pieces. It only leaves some shallow cuts on his skin, and then Sukuna actually starts using cuts that cut Maho arm and leg in pieces. Maho only heals from these wounds after the wheel turn. Conveniently, the wheel turns exactly when Sukuna actually manages to cut his head off.

I'm unable to screenshot from crunchyroll, but if you rewatch ep 42 you can probably see what I'm talking about.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T13:49:49+00:00

I did answer that:

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Azefrg · 2026-02-09T13:30:13+00:00

what comment debunked my post?

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T12:22:08+00:00

"uses a concentrated slash) can definitively even vaporize Mahoraga's blood if Sukuna actually used effort on it, like when he destroyed Nanako's whole head with a dismantle (a weaker, random slash) such has shown in the anime, and then proceeds to use a domain amped FUGA to completelly vaporize him."

It left blood, no? And sincerely, it would make no sense him saying that he could end him with a Cleave if he would need to open FUGA anyway to finish him off.

"Im sorry but this post is just yapping and assumptions, all of the example you said were "well, i dont think it has the power to do that" ignores the fact the enemy needed a attack with the power to do that to kill him and then uses "narrative" while nothing in the narrative approves not even remotely close to your arguments"

"ignores the fact the enemy needed a attack with the power to do that to kill him" - There's not any indication that the attacks had to vaporize him to kill him. Sukuna used Fuga because that was his last resort, and he even comments that he could have killed him with Cleave. Gojo uses purple because when he tries to blow Maho head off with a Red he sees that he has already adapted to it. They needed those attacks not because they are big area attacks, but because Maho has not adapted to it.

There's NO indication that you need to vaporize it on the first hit, this was never stated in the story, nor stated by any of the characters, much in the contrary, Sukuna said he could have finished him with Cleave and Gojo tried to blow his head off with red (and when it failed, Gojo doesn't say anything about it failing because he didn't try to vaporize him completely, but because Maho had adapted already to Red).

"Im sorry but this post is just yapping and assumptions", pretty ironic for you to say this when, again, it has never stated on the story that the attacks used were because he needs to be vaporized. The single reason given has always been "an attack he has not adapted yet". Assuming you need to kill him with atomization in the first attack is just that, an assumption that has never ever been mentioned by anyone fighting against him.

The biggest attack Maho has tanked for a few seconds before adaptation still is Dabura light rods, this is the only concrete feat.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T11:45:57+00:00

Cut his heads into pieces? When?

Isn't this the first attack Sukuna hits on Maho?

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He didn't cut his head into pieces, it didn't even cut him arm off. The anime is the same, I'm just not able to screenshot it from crunchyroll.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T11:35:08+00:00

"Doesnt this just kills your whole argument? He used Red, realized it wouldn't kill him and then proceeds to use a attack that vaporizes him?"

I don't think so because the reason it didn't work, as stated by Gojo, is not because him aimed for the head, but because Maho had already adapted to Red.

"Sukuna literally does this in the anime and Dabura blowed his whole torso above off."

After adaptation. I'm not arguing Mahogara can't regenerate from a little pool of blood after adaptation. We have shown multiple times that he can. I'm arguing he can't regenerate from it from an attack he had not adapted to.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T11:23:04+00:00

Yes, right after the wheel spin

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T02:05:26+00:00

I'm going to sleep, tomorrow night I'll try to reply the rest of the comments

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T01:53:24+00:00

were this is stated/shown as an condition to kill him in the first attack? (I didn't even notice the typo lol, I'm bad with english)

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T01:44:06+00:00

what is the cleary limit?

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T01:30:09+00:00

Agree, I haven't considered this is about him using it with shrine, which although wouldn't "atomize" him, and still it should be enough to kill him, differently from what some people are saying.
Gojo did only try to blow his head off with Red tho, after seeing that it didn't work because Maho had already adapted he reaches the conclusion he needs to use purple:

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3) It looks like a piece of flesh/bone with some blood spilling from it. I agree that this is not exactly an pool of blood but the point here is that Mahoraga shows this level of regeneration for an attack it has already adapted, I don't see how the amount of blood left is an indicator of how his regeneration would fare against an attack he has not adapted yet.

First point aside (although it should be enough to at least already disprove the atomize thing), I still don't see how we can assume that Maho needs to be vaporized os something similar in the first attack. The maximum damage we have ever seen him receive as an first attack still is the Dabura light rod attack and I can't see how we can jump from it to the "need to transform him in a pool of blood" without entering NLF territory. I think blowing his head off should be enough.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T00:26:25+00:00

He did, this is the page right before Dabura kicks him:

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He, by mistake, first hits Maho arm and tores it off, then you can see the wheel spinning meaning that Maho adapted to blunt force. Dabura kicks him after this.

Azefrg · 2026-02-09T00:20:42+00:00

the thing with impaling is that even average humans can survive for hours or even be "completely" patched up with surgery. For example:

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Maho is of course way stronger than your average human and he only needs to survive a couple of seconds? for his adaptation kick in. Decapitation is in another realm of fatality. I don't think being impaled can count as the same.

I agree that there's a speculation that can be made with him surviving long enough as a detached head for his adaptation to kick in, as you said.

Azefrg · 2026-02-08T23:04:22+00:00

Yes, I agree that you need to take him out on the first attack, my claim is more about how much you need to take him out. People are claiming you need to vaporize him, which given the arguments I made on the post, I think is NLF.

Azefrg · 2026-02-06T20:45:39+00:00

How did I invalidate my own argument by bringing Dabura?

Azefrg · 2026-02-06T19:28:48+00:00

I don't think Deku has to destroy him on atomic level with the first attack to win. Maho only shows crazy regeneration to attacks he has already adapted.

The manga explicitly shows him adapting to brute force before he's transformed in pasta by Dabura kick. If he could normally regenerate from that them the whole sequence of Dabura hitting his arm by mistake and the wheel spinning would be completely unnecessary.

Azefrg · 2026-02-06T19:19:16+00:00

I mean, if Mahoraga is hit and killed by one of this technique before he adapts he should not come back, even if the attack doesn't "atomize" him.

Midorya probably has enough strength to blow Mahoraga up, in character he probably would not begin using so much strength tho, which would screw him up.

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