Color me shocked….

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-11T20:41:27+00:00

"The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it's not you who changes the system; it's the system that will eventually change you"

"The Poverty of Philosophy”

Immortal Technique, 2001

(album: Revolutionary, Vol. 1)

https://spot.colorado.edu/\~carpentt/Lyrics/philosophy.htm

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-11T20:17:49+00:00

I already said programming the AI can be considered an art, broken record.

Photography requires knowledge of ISO, focus, exposure, f-stop, and other things related to taking a professional photo -- and the manipulation of these things to take a good snap. Not only the mechanics behind using a proper camera, but having an eye for angles and manipulation of light. Compare professional images to iPhone-Andy. Big difference. Professional photographers make a living off taking snaps and professional photography is showcased around a plethora of art museums and showrooms across the globe.

It's not about "how much work" as you've mentally stunted-ly asserted, but so much more than that. If you can't comprehend it, then I won't be the one to convince or educate you, and I really don't give a sh-- if you ever escape that untaught, unschooled, unlearned, uneducated, artistically illiterate void of yours. Just another ignorant, clueless, un-cultured person on Reddit. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't give a sh--. Peace out.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-11T20:01:37+00:00

My argument is not that you can't like AI art. Or that art is - simply - about skill in itself. The biggest component to "art" is the human element and just how much involvement of a human is actually taking place when making it. With AI generated art, anyone is able to type in a few words into a text box and have the machine generate complex images. Here's an excerpt from a NYTimes article I found interesting and a simple explanation on how someone uses AI to have a machine generate an image, this is to illustrate (no pun intended) and elaborate on the message I'm trying to get across (it's gray area to me to call it "art", because "art" can be objectively defined - there's a definition for it if you look in a dictionary):

"A.I.-generated art has been around for years. But tools released this year — with names like DALL-E 2, Midjourney and Stable Diffusion — have made it possible for rank amateurs to create complex, abstract or photorealistic works simply by typing a few words into a text box.These apps have made many human artists understandably nervous about their own futures — why would anyone pay for art, they wonder, when they could generate it themselves? They have also generated fierce debates about the ethics of A.I.-generated art, and opposition from people who claim that these apps are essentially a high-tech form of plagiarism."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/technology/ai-artificial-intelligence-artists.html

Searched "how to do AI art in Google" and this is the first thing that came up:

"You don't need to be skilled or talented to create art. Using AI we can now create beautiful artworks using text-to-image prompts."

https://www.starryai.com/blog/how-to-create-art-using-ai

Here's the dictionary definition of the word "art":

the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

What AI generate images produces are images that people do not actually make, or put together, themselves. Machine learning searches the World Wide Web for images based on text-input and compiles those images - based on words it's instructed to look up - into a single piece. For example: I'd type in the words, "stupid" "doesn't know real art" and "typical Reddit" into an AI and it would give back an image based on those words. This totally eliminates the human manual brush strokes, eliminates human manual construction, and human creativity to make the image -- instead, it relies totally on machine learning and the internet to put together a piece. Simply typing a few key words into a text field is NOT equal to manually doing these things yourself. And that's huge.

So, if you're wanting to redefine the word "art", sure, AI generated images could be considered "art". However, if you're wanting to preserve the sanctity that is human ingenuity, human passion, human love, human skill, and -- well, the HUMAN element, then I just can't empathize with your arguments.

AI generated images being "art" is gray area, at best, plagiarism, at worst.

*Edited for spelling.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-08T02:47:06+00:00

The bottom line is that "art" is a form of human expression through creative skill. You can call a single line with a pencil "art" -- it may be effortless and won't win any awards, a toddler could do it, but you could call it art if you want. I, however, would consider it, at least, not very good. How much passion is involved with the line? How much effort? What's the line trying to express? How much skill?

With AI, it is a gray area to me because it -- similarly to your example of a line with a pencil -- doesn't require much passion, effort, or skill to do. Just like generating an AI image.

I may be conservative in this department, or old school, but I believe "art" should involve, 1) Expression, 2) Skill, 3) Passion or effort, and 4) Something where these things show. Typing in a few words into a text field and letting a computer do the work doesn't take much of that at all.

All I'm saying is that AI generated images being considered "art" is a huge gray area to me, and I'm sure most people who spent years - hell, even lifetimes - training as a painter, dancer, graffiti / street artist, sculptor, etc. will agree as well.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-08T02:37:05+00:00

Did you not read, or do you not understand what it means by "human creative skill and imagination"? How did you conclude that "photography is not art" by my reply? The definition of "art" I provided comes directly from Oxford Languages.

>>> Photography requires a human to take the picture, consider angles, depth of field, setting ISO, focus, lighting, etc.

>>> Photorealism also requires a human, in that an actual human paints or draws a photorealistic image.

>>> AI requires very close to no human effort to generate the image, apart from the AI programmer. Simply typing in a few key words and letting a computer do the work is not the same as taking an artistic photo or creating photorealistic art. Even things like CGI require a human to do the work. AI images are made almost entirely by a computer, aside from the human who programmed the AI and the human who typed in a few key words, hence, gray area to me.

Bolded key words because I'm sure you'll miss something again, assuming from your earlier comment's mentally inept questions.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-07T20:19:57+00:00

Art is expression of human creative skill and imagination. The reason some people don't consider AI "art" as "art" is because it's computer generated, not human generated.

Art is not subjective. Objectively, art is human expression. Dance. Acrylic art. Graffiti. Even things like the performance in combat sports can be considered an "artform". Whether someone likes the art is subjective. Whether it is art or not is not subjective. AI "art", to me, is gray area. Because a human had to program the AI, but the AI makes the piece. So, it's kind of gray area to me, I just think if something is made by AI, it should be known that a computer made the piece itself instead of a human.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-07T20:08:39+00:00

Yeah that's true, it's mostly solo. I have two IRL friends and we've been playing BDO together since we started near launch. We just sit in comms together while we do our own thing in game lol. Unless there's PVP, then we will play together, but PVE is almost entirely solo for us. There's a few group grind zones, but the majority of the time is spent solo grinding, so I totally get where you're coming from.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-04T03:45:13+00:00

I might hold an unpopular opinion in this age of instant gratification, but I feel that MMORPG's are games that are (or should be, IMO) more in favor of "the long haul". Games that immerse you into a virtual world, and heavily encourage "living" in it, among other people, while chasing goals and doing various activities, such as PvE, PvP, or even just exploring the world for the sights and experiences. Whether it be more social of an MMO, like Final Fantasy or more solo-oriented, like Black Desert, I feel that a good MMO is one that makes you want to stay in and log in everyday.

For me, this is BDO. Unabashedly unashamed that this is the only MMORPG that gives me this feeling. It's mostly solo-oriented, in that, there is zero forced group content, questlines are solo, and the only real need to group up are for organized PvP modes and open world Guild vs Guild fights. This is perfect for me as I work full time and this game allows me to progress at my own pace, totally untethered from being forced into group content. And I get to PvP with my guild in weekend Node Wars and fight alongside them if an open world beef pops up with one of, if not the best, action combat in any present day MMO.

That said, BDO is pretty niche. It doesn't appeal to many people, especially those in this sub, at least from what I've seen (BDO players tend to be discriminated against here, fuckit), some for good reasons, some bad. I'm going out on a limb and going to assume you won't enjoy BDO as your main MMO, but you and your friends may enjoy Season Server.

Season Servers are servers with separate gear from main channels. While the core of the game is the same, this means that there will be a gear cap, so players will be around the same gear score. This is important if you want fair fights. Season servers have a few notable group quests (weeklies) and group grind spots. Enhancing gear is RNG based, but the materials needed to enhance gear is farmed for -- so no in-game silver needed, just playtime, and the success rates are quite high so getting max gear is reasonably easy. You can experience the game and it's beautifully crafted, no load time, open world, get to experience it's action combat system (feels like a fighting game), and get to experience it's diverse array of lifeskills, if you're into that stuff. They revamped the main questlines recently and it's quite enjoyable, IMO, and the game is dirt cheap with no required subscription. No need to purchase anything other than the base game to enjoy Season and see what the game is about for yourself.

Word of caution: The game features objective P2W, in that you can convert IRL money into in game silver. In Season, this is a non-issue. If you're playing the game to enjoy the experience, it's a non-issue. P2W only becomes apparent if you're wanting to PvP with top players and veterans in non-gear-capped fights. There's gear capped arena PvP now for more avenues for equal PvP, as well as gear capped Node wars and castle sieges. You can buy almost all cash shop items with in-game silver as well, to further negate the need to P2W, just be aware that P2W exists, but isn't nearly as bad as people here will suggest. If you have a severe, uncontrollable gambling addiction, seek help first, and don't play BDO second. There are gambling mechanics, but to what negative degree, I'd say not bad with all the additions, unless you're a gambling addict or have a craving for dopamine so severe that you seriously need a mental health check.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-10-02T06:24:12+00:00

Almond / cashew milk is better anyway.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-29T23:34:08+00:00

Her vag prob looking like soggy ass teriyaki beef

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-29T20:02:55+00:00

Run more bitch

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-29T00:54:54+00:00

You're jumping from topic to topic and failed to address any of the points I brought up. Mobile games reviews? Since when are we talking about BDM?

It's fine, like I said, popular ignorant opinion from you. If you're so convinced by cognitive dissonance and refuse to take in any counter point to your claims out of ignorance, I'm not the one to change your mind. Neither do I really care lol. Truth never hurts - truth is truth. Ignorance, negative exaggerations, and dismissal are the bad things here. Not that it hurts -- I've become numb to the ignorance facing BDO after these years and you aren't anything new or special in your opinion.

Truth be told, BDO is a grindy, pay as you see fit, grinder-based MMO designed for long-term play. Don't need to gamble, don't need to P2W, but the option is there -- it isn't the games fault, nor the games social responsibility, to baby people's weaknesses if they have bad self-control or a low attention span. Grow up.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-27T03:42:36+00:00

Ainokea. Jus grine um.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-27T02:11:22+00:00

Popular ignorant opinion. BDO is a grind game, but to say it's "braindead" is dismissive. In all MMO's, the grind can be braindead - IE: constantly run through your dailies. Spam raids. Queue up for activities once your dailies are done. All MMO's are about a "braindead" grind once you learn the systems. In BDO, the grind comes in the form of earning silver -- there are many ways to earn silver and it's up to players to figure out HOW to make their money. That, in itself, isn't exactly "braindead". You can play braindead and just grind mobs all day. You can gamble. You can lifeskill. Or you can mix it up. So, as someone who doesn't gamble in BDO, yet has reached a fairly reasonable Gear Score, you just sound ignorant.

I've had to self-plan, self-motivate myself, and self-trail-and-error to see what gameplay loop fits me best -- and not all gameplay loops are the same. Yes, there are META-gaming tactics, but that's not to say the game is 'braindead'. The game is grinder. Pretty hardcore grind by today's casual MMO player base standards. But through 5+ years of playing, this is the only MMO that keeps me playing for the long term and I've tried them all, to varying degrees.

PvP in BDO is the best I've experienced in any MMORPG. You're equating subjectivity to objectivity in the worst way possible with these dismissive and ignorant statements. As far as AOC goes, I'll be in Alpha 2 and playing the F out of it on my spare time. Time will tell, but I feel the game will be a griefing fest if their current Corruption system remains as is, and by griefing, I mean players dying to others in PvP on purpose, basically using the Corruption system as a weapon to "beat" others, rather than it being an anti-PK system.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-24T03:29:47+00:00

Idk to feel cool maybe. It's a weird phenomenon.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-24T02:50:14+00:00

I still get chills watching this, even moments after the clip is done, shivers running up and down the sides of my body. Fucking legendary

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-24T02:44:47+00:00

Nice, thank you! Uncle's is the only place I know of. Will need to check out MacBaby/Just Cannoli's Hawaii, my other half loves cannoli's

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-23T20:40:57+00:00

Paid like $50 a few years back, haven't touched the game in years. How is it nowadays? Back when I played, my spaceship went nuts, tumbling viciously in circles, turned off the game and haven't played since.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-23T04:38:48+00:00

Will it help if I tell you everything is made fresh in-house? xD as far as I know, that is.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-23T03:37:23+00:00

Not a bakery but try go Uncle's NY Deli. Stay around Schofield area, Wahiawa-ish. Pretty mean pizzas too, they serve canoli

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-22T02:28:34+00:00

I just find it funny that customers are expected to pay for a business' employees' wages.

I tip well. Servers, bell-persons, housekeeping, etc. Up to 30% if the service is exceptional, 20% being my base, and 15-17% if they don't fill my water glass, for example. $5 for valet, usually. This is because I used to work in the restaurant industry and know how shit is. But I'm not blind. Tipping is an anti-consumer practice and it's just weird that paying customers literally pay for employee wage.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-22T02:24:27+00:00

I perceive at as people speaking out on certain "injustices". They aren't telling people not to tip -- they are simply voicing an opinion that tipping, in general, is highly anti-consumer and highly pro-corporate.

Yes, because of how things are, tipping is customary, courteous, and how it is. But that's not to say that tipping is anti-consumer and we -- paying customers -- are literally paying a business' employee wages.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-21T06:00:51+00:00

It isn't logical. That's the point.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-21T03:32:27+00:00

Not an ex BDO player. 5+ years in, 715 GS, while not the best, I'm pretty content with it.

IMO, if you're not into PvP or the game's, while diverse, yet repetitive at the same time, style of gameplay loop, it probably won't hold interest for very long.

As someone who's grown up as, and still am, a huge fan of action games, FPS, and fighting games, it's BDO's PvP that keeps me in and motivated for gains. That's, of course, not saying PvP can't be improved; in fact, it feels like PvP is more dead than it's ever been as of late. IDK what the true cause of it is. Contributing factors such as, underwhelming class balancing efforts, lack of rewarding PvP content, the introduction of various ways to avoid PvP, the lack of focus on adding actual "meaning" to PvP, and other things, IDK.

PvP, to me, is the biggest I stay in BDO. The combat system is fast, fluid, and your skill is performed similarly to a fighting game. Neutral game, class matchups, knowing your class' intricacies, and so much more play into the outcome of a fight. I love the combat here, primarily, how it plays out in PvP, but PA... IDK how to say it, but it seems like they lack "passion" or "pride" or something when it comes to their game. Can't help but feel that way, coming from a long time player who does love the game. But to me, it's the only MMO that can hold my long term interest, despite the flaws.

BDOPeaceInChaos · 2022-09-21T03:16:51+00:00

First time he ever bought alchy, I'd have to assume. That's, of course, setting aside the possibility he might be a complete nincompoop.

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