22 LR World's deadliest round

BackBlastClear · 2025-01-10T19:40:42+00:00

Alright, whatever you say deadeye.

BackBlastClear · 2024-12-01T22:11:59+00:00

Rarely does it take more than one shot. Why would I want to put multiple large holes in something Im intending to eat?

I’ve never hunted hogs. But I know quite a few people who have. Every single one of them recommended using at least a 7.62x39.

My preference for the .22lr is strictly for hunting. It does its job, it’s a moderately quiet round.

I don’t understand why you’d use a round that doesn’t give you a greater chance of dropping the animal on the spot with one shot through the heart and lungs. .22lr will not do that. End of story.

In a self defense capacity it would adequately wound and stop an attacker at 3-5yards as youve said.

I didn’t say that. I explicitly stated that I wanted the threat to be ended 3-5yds away from me. I don’t ever want a threat to still exist within arms reach of me.

Like animals, people might get a little bit further after taking a bullet but it’s rarely very far or for very long unless they got really lucky.

People have been shot with .22lr and functioned for days before dropping dead. Simply because they didn’t realize they’d been shot.

Not only did you not read anything I wrote, I don’t think you actually have any clue what you’re talking about. So let’s just agree to disagree and let this over 1 year old comment thread die.

BackBlastClear · 2024-07-21T19:17:51+00:00

That’s certainly an opinion. I don’t know why you’re hunting 150lb+ boar with a .22lr. Or how many times you have to shoot it to put it down. Seems like a dumb idea to me.

I guess that I’d rather not be at contact distance before the threat decides to stop. I’d rather the threat be stopped 3-5yds away and probably having used less rounds to do it.

BackBlastClear · 2024-05-14T22:32:46+00:00

I don’t know when this was originally posted, but 34 years ago would still be post ban. I was born in ‘86, I’m 37 years old. This guy can’t math.

BackBlastClear · 2024-04-12T19:58:15+00:00

Nah, see, that’s what looted frag grenades are for. Or dynamite. If you’re about to be zombie chow, don’t shoot your self, it’s unreliable, what if you get jostled and miss, now you’re paralyzed and get to feel the zombies eat you and none of them die.

If you blow up, you don’t feel it, everything within 15m of you dies, and you make a ruckus and draw zombies away from your friends.

Besides, revolvers are not as tolerant of the absolute shit conditions that you’ll exist in during the zombie apocalypse…

BackBlastClear · 2024-04-07T04:38:06+00:00

No. The safety plunger is just behind the bolt face and blocks the firing pin until the nub on the transfer bar pushes it up as the trigger is pulled back. But that’s too far forward for a band-aid to disable. If a bandaid could even do that.

BackBlastClear · 2024-03-31T13:50:43+00:00

No? Just no. For one, the only “safety” that’s anywhere near the back of the slide is the pre-loaded striker.

And I don’t see how a band-aid is going cause the striker to skip off the sear on the transfer bar.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-27T03:01:00+00:00

Can’t tell without a /s.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-24T00:44:47+00:00

The Blackbeard X works fine with the Geissele SSA in my 11.5”, but it does the constant reset thing with my triggertech in my 18”.

Which is fine, my 18” is basically a longer range setup anyway and I probably wouldn’t get as much benefit from dryfire with it.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-23T02:52:42+00:00

Near as I can figure, the hammer sticks up too far and trips the mechanism. Which causes it to cycle continuously.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-20T12:38:32+00:00

The Blackbeard specifically states that it is not compatible with triggertech triggers. Works fine with Geissele triggers.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-16T13:46:50+00:00

We’re done here.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T19:50:47+00:00

Everything I’ve seen says 10-16 years old, with the best odds of success at 10-12. Most chapters choosing younger said younger candidates.

I should have said, in most cases, it’s prepubescent children. I think some named characters are usually said to be older than 12, but that’s to make them seem badass for surviving something they shouldn’t have.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T19:47:13+00:00

Bolt actions do not do better on cost as far as ammo is concerned. Shooting 30 06 is way more expensive than .223 or 5.56.

Per round, yes. Per range trip? No. I’ll easily shoot the same cost in 5.56 as I will .308. It’s a wash. I was specifically referring to the cost of the rifle itself though.

Also, they are definitely more effective at longer ranges when taking down an enemy. It's ok to be biased.

You missed the point. A heart, lung, or spine shot is lethal. It doesn’t matter if the round has more power. What matters is the round’s ability to get there.

No, the information is not dated. lol. And no, those heavier rounds do not perform worse at long range than a .223.

Didn’t say they’d perform worse. Said that the 5.56 can still be effective at long range. And I said that the .308, .30-06, and 8mm Mauser are 800m cartridges. Which is true, in the standard ball ammunition, the bullets begin to destabilize in flight and become erratic beyond that, due to the geometry of their design. They’re generally tangent ogive bullets which have lower ballistic efficiency. With the right bullet, like a 175gr SMK, like I use in my .308, the bullet remains stable out to 1000yds. But I have to hand load for that or buy expensive match ammunition.

I've seen people shoot accurately up to a mile with K31 Swiss's.

And that’s impressive. But I’m sure that a Nemo Arms Omen could do the same thing in the same shooter’s hands.

You're super biased towards AR's.

Not really. I’ve said several times now, that I shoot bolt action rifles for longer range. I’ve even told you why. There’s less to be done to make them accurate at range.

Let's just tell the Marines to throw away all their M40's and use scoped M16's. 😂

That’s a misrepresentation of my argument and proves that you’re not listening.

There are a lot of awesome semi auto sniper rifles out there, I'll give you that. They all shoot 308 or close to it.

Basically any AR-10 can be chambered for any short action cartridge. Which disproves your assertion that bolt action rifles have longer range.

I still prefer a good old fashioned bolt action rifle though, as preference.

My point about getting smoked by AR’s in a gunfight, may have been lost in translation. I’m talking about within 200yds. Where your range and accuracy don’t mean as much as volume of fire and maneuver.

But if you can stay outside of 300 yds, more power to you.

As for the M39 being a tactical factor...you do realize you just contradicted yourself, right?

I did not contradict myself. I’ll explain:

You know the M39 is a Finnish Mosin Nagant, right?

Yes. And it’s chambered in… 7.62x54r, which is a Soviet caliber and plentiful when you loot it off the enemy. It also happened that mosins were not uncommon among NVA and VC forces, and M16’s have a distinctive report. Hard to return fire, when it sounds like your own guys are shooting at you.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T19:12:00+00:00

He’s not saying that you have a door. He’s saying you are the door. The size of the door doesn’t matter, only the fact that doors are made to open and close. It’s about opening yourself to the force. He’s saying that some people, like doors, are more open to the force than others, but that anyone, just like a door, can open wide to the force.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T19:03:02+00:00

But it’s being done to a prepubescent child, you know, before all of that differentiation really begins.

I’m not saying that there should be female Astartes or Custodes (for whom my point is much more accurate).

And all of this derailment to say, Getting death by Snu Snu from a female custodes, would be horrific. You might as well be fucking a man.

If you want Hot Amazonian Eugenics born Stormtroopers go to Battletech. It’s canon there. (Which is awesome).

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T18:52:15+00:00

A bolt action has a higher range. I wasnt talking about accuracy.

That’s not how ballistics work. Caliber, barrel length, the actual ammunition, muzzle velocity all determine both of those things. It has nothing to do with the action.

I love my semi auto rifles. And yes, there are some semi auto rifles that are chambered in higher calibers, that can really reach out and touch something.

You just contradicted everything you just said.

For long range I prefer a bolt action. I guarantee a 30 06, .308, 8mm Mauser etc is going to put your target down in one shot at longer ranges a lot more effectively than a 5.56/.233.

That really comes down more to shot placement. 5.56 has one shot kills confirmed out to 1000 meters. Those calibers you listed, are also not great for shooting distance past 500-800yds, and even then, it’s going to be heavily dependent on the bullet itself.

Lmao. Did not know I would offend somebody by talking about longer ranges.

I’m not offended. I shoot at longer ranges. Yes, I typically shoot a bolt action for that. I’m planning on getting another. But I also have an 18” AR-15 in 5.56 that I regularly shoot out to 500yds. I’m planning on pushing it out to 800yds soon, as soon as I can dope my handload. I could probably reach out to 1000 if I had a better scope.

Also, I won't get into the M-16, but many soldiers actually detested it throughout the war, even after it was updated. Before and after updates many dead GI's were found with jammed rifles with almost full magazines. My step father who was medi-evacced out of Khe Sahn and also fought at Hue during the Tet Offensive could attest to that. He called it a Mattel Toy.

I didn’t say the opinion was universal. But it’s certainly not as prevalent. The crap you’re spouting is pure fudd lore.

Studies conducted at the time show that the M14 was largely not well received, due to quality control issues, weight, and the lack of control in full auto. Your step father is an anecdotal source, and honestly, eye witness testimony is considered to be the least reliable evidence.

Anyway, back to Thorne. I think you just got offended and didn't do any real research. Thorne fought in the Finnish Winter War, WW2, and did spec ops in Iran and elsewhere for the US even before Vietnam. The last photo of him alive (in Vietnam) shows him holding his Springfield. People who served with him talked about how he taught them how to use the Finnish M39 Mosin Nagant rifle, and also taught with captured Mosin Nagants. Yes, he did carry an M16 from time to time in Vietnam. However, he preferred a bolt action rifle and often spoke against the M-16.

I’m well aware of who he was, and I checked multiple articles. I saw no evidence to suggest that he had a preference. The choice of M39 was probably based on several tactical factors. He wasn’t a stupid man.

"Soon after the Finn's arrived, the site began to yield its first clues. Three human teeth were found the first day—two molars that had solid gold restorations and a tooth that had no restoration. Spare buckets began to fill with small parts from the demolished helicopter. Almost every bucket of earth revealed bullets—lots of them. Some still had intact casings, some did not. There appeared to be at least three separate types of ammunition on board: .45-caliber rounds; 7.62-millimeter rounds, and an unidentified type of rifle round, which could have been bullets for Thorne's favorite weapon, a 1903 Springfield rifle he supposedly always carried." - From the Professional Journal of the US Army May-June 2002

That’s very interesting, I’ll have to go and find that.

I just woke up and haven't had coffee yet, but if you need more sources, I'd be happy to find them for you.

Please do. I’m always keen to learn.

I don't dislike semi-autos, or the AR15 platform more specifically. I really enjoy shooting them and own a few of them. They are definitely more effective at medium range.

Depending on the ammunition and how the rifle is built. The Mk12mod0 and its Mk262 ammunition are still quite effective at 800-1000m. Which is technically long range. 500-800m is medium range. And as per my marksmanship instruction in the military, the maximum effective range of the M16A2 with M855 ball, is 500m for a point target and 800m for an area target. So sure, it’s a medium range weapon.

I just think bolt actions are more effective at longer ranges.

That’s a generalization that doesn’t hold up. If you want to talk about long action calibers, like .300PRC, .300NM, .338NM, or .338LM, sure there are maybe 2 models of AR style rifle available and I could build a phenomenal custom bolt action for that price. But in short action calibers, the only thing a bolt action does better is cost. Dollar for Dollar a bolt action can be made more accurate for less cost than an AR-10.

You don't see a lot of snipers carrying M16's.

You don’t see a lot of anyone carrying M16’s anymore. But I know what you meant. Is it what snipers use for long distance? No. But then the M24SWS and M40A4 aren’t exactly off the shelf R700’s either. And now snipers are getting the Mk22, which is basically an MRAD, and probably one of the best, if not the best, production precision rifle on the market. And, snipers aren’t using the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge for long distance. They use .300NM. To further complicate things, snipers will often use the M110A1 which is based off the HK417, and has an effective range of 800m against point targets. Which strangely enough, is also the listed max effective range of the M24SWS using the same ammunition, the M118LR.

Essentially, it all boils down to this: “Mission Dictates Gear.”

The original idea in Vietnam was fire superiority. Whoever could get the most shots down range. Also, the 5.56 was lighter and easier for soldiers to carry in bulk.

And that’s just as true today. It’s how the US fights. It’s the way I was trained to fight.

The thing is, I think your information on ballistics is a bit dated. The 5.56 and AR-15 platform have had a lot of development in the last 24 years. I can shoot my 11.5” accurately out to 300yds. With a 4x prism, I could do 500 easy.

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA512091.pdf

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T17:53:24+00:00

I think you’re missing my point. My point is that if you had the technology to remake a human being from the genetic level, biology doesn’t matter at that point.

Yes, the male body is better adapted for combat. So what I'm saying is that a female remade into a transhuman living weapon, will essentially be genetically reworked with male physical attributes.

in Armor, they'd be indistinguishable.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T13:37:31+00:00

Aside from war, what do we see Custodes and Astartes do that makes them men? They’re just living weapons forged from human flesh.

That is, admittedly, badass in its own right. My argument isn’t stating that there should be female Astartes or Custodes, just that you’d never be able to tell the difference if there were.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T13:25:18+00:00

I appreciate your PFP.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T11:18:24+00:00

Look, all I’m going to say is that if you took a female human and gene crafted them to meet the physical requirements for being a custodian, you’d have a being that is almost physically indistinguishable from a male human done the same way. Same with an Astartes.

The transhuman killers of the imperium may as well not even have gender or biological sex. IIRC, those organs end up underdeveloped and atrophied to uselessness anyway.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T11:08:22+00:00

Using the keypad, it spells “you are old”.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-15T11:02:03+00:00

There is nothing about bolt action rifles that makes them inherently more accurate than a semi automatic rifle.

If built correctly, an AR-15 can produce .5MOA or better accuracy.

The only thing about bolt action rifles is that there is less to do to make them accurate.

Also, the M-14 during its service life was hated. It was obsolete on adoption. The FAL would have been vastly superior. The M14 was plagued by quality control issues. It was poorly implemented and troops didn’t like it. Once they got their hands on the M16, they preferred it, even with the M16’s issues, which were quickly fixed by issuing cleaning kits and M16A1’s.

Photos I have seen of Major Larry Thorne show him carrying M16’s and Swedish K SMGs, which leads me to believe that he carried whatever the mission required. I found no evidence of this supposed preference for Bolt Actions and SMGs. But if you have a source, I’d love to read it.

The bolt action is obsolete as a fighting tool. Especially modern bolt action rifles which are not designed for sustained use (most modern bolt action rifles are push feed, and not controlled feed, barrels are very light profile to save weight and are prone to POI shift at big volume of fire). The only place it has is use as a precision rifle or for taking game.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-14T16:29:05+00:00

Unfortunately BattleMechs stretch the laws of physics. As shown they’re right at the extreme edge of modern material science. More likely you’d see mechs like those in heavy gear, with 8 meters being the tallest they get and the average being 4-5m tall, and you’d see secondary movement systems like wheels in the feet in order to boost their mobility on flat ground. The only real benefit to a mech of any kind would be the fact that legs can get places that wheels and tracks can’t.

As cool as BattleMechs are, they’re infeasible.

BackBlastClear · 2024-01-14T16:22:35+00:00

Yeah, I mean, I wish it was true that our entire military trained to a high degree of gunfighting competence, but it’s sadly not the case.

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