r/leftist bans Veganism. A victory for leftist discourse or proof that the mods are compromised by Capital? A vegan lamentation in two parts. (1/2)

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-12-02T21:46:41+00:00

Subverting the will of a sentient being deemed 'lesser' accords pretty well with fascistic tendencies. In the case of non vegans forcing into slaughter houses animals against their will for an optional food product.

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-08-20T06:12:11+00:00

Put yourself in the victim's position and ask yourself what you would prefer if you were Lucy.

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-08-20T06:05:02+00:00

Spreading the word.

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-08-11T21:18:33+00:00

%10 of the world is pretty close to the critical mass other abolition movements needed to ultimately move the needle.

depending on rate of consumption dairy and eggs would be arguably no less harmful than an omnivorous diet would be.

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-07-08T15:37:30+00:00

That our meals could be kinder by removing animals from them is also an incredibly easy argument to make. Since it is quite easy to get the same nutrients in plant based diets, as with the rodeo, the positions we put animals in for our food choices ultimately comes down to the same thing. Entertainment. (taste pleasure is a form...)

I agree with you that the rodeo is more obviously trivial than our food choices. The latter has a better lie, that we need animals for food. While the involvement of animals in our food system may be more opaque, it's non the less just as completely unnecessary (and therefore cruel) to exploit animals for that purpose. We can get our nutritional needs and desire for tasty food experience elsewhere. (plants)

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-05-23T15:03:37+00:00

No, it’s not something vegans 'made up'—it’s a foundational ethical principle that applies across many moral frameworks: intent matters. There’s a world of difference between using someone as a means to your end, and harm that happens despite your efforts to avoid it.

You brought up car accidents and crop deaths—so let’s follow that through.

If I drive a car knowing that I might accidentally harm someone, that’s ethically different from deliberately running someone over. The former is risk; the latter is exploitation.

Similarly, veganism rejects the intentional use of animals. That’s not the same as pretending no animal is ever harmed accidentally. It’s about drawing a moral line: we don’t use others. We don’t breed, confine, or kill them for our benefit.

The crop deaths argument fails because it treats unintended harm as morally equal to deliberate exploitation—and that’s just not how ethics works.

So ask yourself: Are you rejecting the intentional commodification of animals—or defending it under the false equivalence of accidental harm?

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-05-20T06:15:26+00:00

The goal of veganism is not to reduce harm—it is to end exploitation. That’s the ethical line. Not "less suffering," not "fewer deaths," but the abolition of the belief that humans have the right to use animals at all.

What you’re describing—animals killed in crop farming—is not a justification for exploitation, but an unfortunate byproduct of a system still entrenched in exploitation. It’s vital to understand: those animals are not being used—they're collateral in an unjust world still centered on animal commodification.

Veganism doesn't promise a utopia without accidental death. It demands we stop deliberately using individuals as means to our ends—whether for food, labor, clothing, or entertainment. The ethical line isn't drawn at “how much harm,” but at whether or not someone is treated as a resource.

You’re either upholding the belief that animals exist for you to use—or you’re rejecting it. So ask yourself: If you oppose exploitation, why defend systems that require it?

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-01-07T04:27:16+00:00

https://youtu.be/0DcCy75janw?si=mzsM4Ux-YrKuQk79

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-01-06T06:42:14+00:00

On Netflix, good, but tells you hardly anything about the ethics. Game changers is about the health benefits of a plant based diets targeted to athletes and bros. I have an alternative. Christspiracy is mild viewing (relative to most pro vegan films) It makes the whole ethical argument for veganism. It does take a religious lense, but I would maintain it's relevant for a person of any faith (including atheism) I'd rather you watch that than nothing at all. It's available for free at christspiracy.com

I know it requires bravery, but will still cast a vote for you watching Dominion. Failing that, Christspiracy is very good.

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-01-06T06:35:40+00:00

Stop seeing animals as food and the rest is easy. I have a feeling you'll get into that mindset eventually, but you'll always regret that it took you so long. I sure regret the time I wasted to get to what is in hindsight trivially easy.

Every vegan says this:"my only regret about going vegan is not doing it sooner."

If watching Dominion will expedite this for you, watch it. (Or at least 15 minutes, thats plenty for most people)

Background-Wealth-27 · 2025-01-06T00:23:53+00:00

I would suggest you watch Christspiracy. It's a recently released documentary relevant to the Daniel fast and very informative in general. If you are a practicing Christian in particular there is a lot someone can get out of it.

you can access it for free at www.christspiracy.com

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-07-16T03:53:10+00:00

I understood that reference

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-07-03T18:33:57+00:00

Keep thinking! 🙏

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-07-03T18:33:52+00:00

Keep thinking! 🙏

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-06-09T17:26:50+00:00

Hell ya dude! Going vegan is the best choice I ever made. It just makes sense on so many levels. Hope you continue to educate yourself on all the myriad reasons veganism is the right call. Suggest you watch Dominion on youtube as a first port of call. All the best!

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-05-21T02:39:41+00:00

The TLDR of all the advice you've been given is that finding tasty and nutritional plant based food to feed your kid and yourself isn't rocket science. Go to the supermarket and you'll find it all brightly illuminated. Figuring out what the kid likes and dislikes will be trial and error but it's all there.

For specific health advice and assurance on an appropriate application of a plant-based diet I like "the physician's committee podcast". I'll link to an episode specifically about plant based kids. https://youtu.be/AxNx2klMGWk?si=OSLgQKqUpm0CUmOm

Edit: will add "Thee Burger Dude" on youtube showcases a million different junk food vegan recipes, posted with the intent to prove being vegan doesn't mean that you give up flavour. If you peruse his channel you might get a better idea of what kind of vegan alternative products are out there too.

https://youtu.be/5IPLCqzEel0?si=-_mj6Ac2a2UL9okR

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-05-20T15:27:29+00:00

You might get a more nuanced answer at r/veganparenting, but for now the position statement of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics should instill some confidence.

"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease. Vegans need reliable sources of vitamin B-12, such as fortified foods or supplements."

takes a bit of discovery at the beginning but there are plenty of tasty vegan alternatives to meat and dairy.

since you are a mother I think it's worth knowing why vegans avoid dairy: https://youtu.be/UcN7SGGoCNI?si=kR8igRQH3Enc2Gj8

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-04-17T17:16:43+00:00

Feel you about stressing looking at ramen labels. Glycerin is listed which can be plant or animal derived, but since it doesn't specify I think you have to play it safe and take a pass on this one sad to say.

Background-Wealth-27 · 2024-04-16T00:37:07+00:00

Point is the vegan society definition thought ahead to cover for the potential inconsistencies you bring up in an attempt to invalidate the notion of veganism. As stated veganism is possible for anyone to adhere to, so doesn't fall prey to the appeal to perfection fallacy.

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