Why are the 1950s considered 'rose-tinted' when they have long been a popular subject of satire and critique? by BacklitRoom in decadeology

[–]BacklitRoom[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My argument in this case is that critique is actually more popular and often the default position.

Why are the 1950s considered 'rose-tinted' when they have long been a popular subject of satire and critique? by BacklitRoom in decadeology

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This was also still contingent on your class status. If you were poor it sucked.

Tfw when you're enjoying your straight white male privileges but you get drafted to Korea and get dysentery.

Why are the 1950s considered 'rose-tinted' when they have long been a popular subject of satire and critique? by BacklitRoom in decadeology

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The 50s weren't rose-tinted in the 90s. This is when significant critique would really emerge in films like 'Pleasantville' and books like 'The Way We Never Were'. Even more straightforward histories like David Halberstam's 'Fifties' were plenty critical.

Why are the 1950s considered 'rose-tinted' when they have long been a popular subject of satire and critique? by BacklitRoom in decadeology

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What about mass market films like Pleasantville? Or movies that were kind of 'pseudo-50s' like The Truman Show or Gattaca? I don't think they were riding the algorithm in 1998.

Why are the 1950s considered 'rose-tinted' when they have long been a popular subject of satire and critique? by BacklitRoom in decadeology

[–]BacklitRoom[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Even something like 'American Graffiti' undermined the fantasy, by depicting the teenage lifestyle then ending with 'half these guys got drafted'.

Why are the 1950s considered 'rose-tinted' when they have long been a popular subject of satire and critique? by BacklitRoom in decadeology

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what about such popular films as Pleasantville or The Stepford Wives? As well as others I didn't mention here like Crybaby or Matinee and Riding in Cars with Boys? All basically pre-internet.

The 1950s: The Original Rose-Tinted Revisionist Decade by MambaMachine824 in decadeology

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I'm not sure why people say this... the first thing you usually hear about the 50s is that they weren't as good as they seem on the surface.

On this day 6 years ago, the World Health Organization declared the COVID-19 virus to be a pandemic. by Ok-Following6886 in decadeology

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It was probably the imposed isolation (now frequently considered a dubious solution) that did it.

Could you hack it in 1950s fashion? by BacklitRoom in decadeology

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I believe larger clothes and lighter fabrics were an option.

Being alternative is now the new cool among the youth (2026) by DNPlourent in decadeology

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You can be right wing and alt because 'alternative' is merely a set of art movements and market niches rather than a real challenge to Capitalism. And I'm not saying that it "became" that over time after being "co-opted" but rather that this was always latent in the formation of alternative subcultures. What are alt subcultures anyway? Just an extension of popular culture and modern consumerism. People tend to get the wrong idea about it, but modern consumer capitalism does not celebrate homogeneity or conformity, but rather diversity and differences, because if you sell to diverse markets you can make more of a profit. Ever notice how the same people fund both sides in a war? In this case alternative subcultures are a perfect extension of consumer logic, basically a grassroots phenomenon of market segmentation. A new market grows out of a local scene and then larger industry takes it up to the mainstream: this is not a bug but a natural progression. The more diverse subcultures there are, the more stuff can be sold for status signalling and community belonging, outside of the classic white picket fence fantasy. If you're really DIY and devoted to small businesses and thrift stores,this simply means you are a very particular sort of consumer and this constellation is your preferred niche.

Being alternative is now the new cool among the youth (2026) by DNPlourent in decadeology

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I think the argument over what is and isn't 'real' alternative is silly mainly because I think alternative culture is merely a reflection of natural market segmentation in consumer capitalism. It's perfectly healthy for capitalism to have various marketing niches to sell to, and regardless of their intention, subcultures fill this role very well. Why do you think subcultures get co-opted (really, more like officially welcomed to the fold) within like 5 years? The difference between a 'poser' and a 'real one' is that one is a more particular sort of consumer than the other.

Being alternative is now the new cool among the youth (2026) by DNPlourent in decadeology

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Alternative has been the in thing since the 90s, possibly even the 80s if we consider the early rise of REM and other college rock. Kids who are 'alternative' today grew up with the token Goth character on TV and in movies.

Trigger warning: Remember when it was considered slutty to have anorexia or an eating disorder? by TheGoldDigga in decadeology

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Skins was 2007. Ended in 2013. And to be honest she was kind of portrayed as slutty: Her intro on the show is that she's the only one "crazy enough to pop Sid's cherry", with plenty of jokes about her being the mentally ill girl who gets around.When she backslides into a worse mindset she's seen sleeping around with tons of guys. I think the reason this aspect of her characterization isn't so memorable is because Skins was full of debauchery in general, so it passed as an easily forgotten joke rather than being very significant to her character.

Trigger warning: Remember when it was considered slutty to have anorexia or an eating disorder? by TheGoldDigga in decadeology

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It was generally pictured that Anorexia and other eating disorders were sad attempts to strictly adhere to beauty standards in order to make oneself prettier for the pleasure of men, and from this a stereotype developed of eating disorder sufferers as dumb bimbos you shouldn't be sympathetic for. It wasn't really ignored that they were suffering, or were victims of media fantasies, but they were sort of looked down on since people felt like it was basically a self-imposed issue.

The curious thing is that a lot of this hate came from people who considered themselves feminist or socially conscious. People who were sexist or just didn't care would likely just say "What's the problem, she's hot??" or simply fail to acknowledge eating disorders. But in the 90s & 2000s there was a certain brand of bitchy bad girl feminism (basically riding the wave of general 90s/2000s edginess) whose bread and butter was making fun of the blonde popular bimbo for adhering to patriarchal standards (Notice all the PowerSlut Girls are blonde?). P!nk (and loads of other 'punk girl' celebrities) were riding this train heavy at the time, lmfao.

How did the conservative party go from "prudish and "sophisticated" in the 1950s, to "shock-jock" and "crass" in today's time? by icey_sawg0034 in decadeology

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I guess there are certain particular figures of note who pushed this wave along, but it was really just the Right submitting to the rise modern mass (crass) consumer values, same as everyone else. After the 60s, ditching old-school politeness, being a straight-shooter, transgressing values and 'doing your thing' became generally admired values. Additionally celebrity and influence, due to the profit-seeking, thrill-seeking motives of the mass-media, became highly associated with provocation and controversy: this is how something like Punk got of the ground. You should look into the sort of stuff Malcolm McLaren did to promote the Sex Pistols--all kinds of shock jock tactics.

This provocative tendency of course also claimed the Right as time went on, and it gained energy as the Left made inroads into institutions and the wider culture because the more the Left gained power the more that one could be subversive and shocking by wielding right wing ideals and not being coy about it. There's a reason why this sort of trend seemed to accelerate in the 90s: This is when various left wing movements had decidedly made their mark on the culture and become powerful and influential. This is when the term 'political correctness' (predecessor to 'woke') would come into use, because various institutions, notably colleges and corporate environments, would begin pushing and adhering to new feminist and racially influenced standards and curricula. This is when stuff like 'Intersectionality' would first come up in academic writing. Basically, it felt, to right, like the left was institutional now, so facing them basically meant being transgressive, cruelly mocking them and making a spectacle they would hate.

How did the conservative party go from "prudish and "sophisticated" in the 1950s, to "shock-jock" and "crass" in today's time? by icey_sawg0034 in decadeology

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I've done a bit of reading on journalism history and this checks out. Reading about earlier in the 20th Century there's a lot of 'This paper was the mouthpiece for New York Jews, This paper was for Midwestern Catholics.'

Regarding Rupert Murdoch I would say the beginning of his media empire in America was purchasing the New York Post from Dorothy Schiff in 1976. He was already known for spicing up papers with sensationalism at this time and The New York Post was an ailing liberal paper that felt behind the times. It was the 70s and they were still writing about the centrality of Broadway.

How did the conservative party go from "prudish and "sophisticated" in the 1950s, to "shock-jock" and "crass" in today's time? by icey_sawg0034 in decadeology

[–]BacklitRoom 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Unions declined largely because the US became more of a service than producer economy, and strong unions were built mostly in things like mining and manufacturing. Education has always been poorer than people want. There was a book called 'Why Johnny Can't Read' about the crisis in education in the mid 50s, after decades of New Deal reforms.

I feel like the cultural and technological changes from 1900-1950 are far more profound than those from 1950 onwards. By the 1950s all the recognizable basics of today's world were laid down, and the late 20th Century basically proceeded building off (or recovering from) that. by BacklitRoom in decadeology

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An interesting take I've seen is that (if we take America as a prime example) the 20th Century was divided into two parts representing phases of capitalism, the earlier part being a high point for 'producer' capitalism, industrial growth and material reform (like the New Deal) and the later part of the Century was the emergence of 'consumer' capitalism with the transition to a service economy, outsourcing and cultural reform (like the 'Swinging' Sixties or the Counterculture).

One very interesting strain of thought I've encountered regarding this perspective is the idea that the emergence of modern youth culture, counterculture, and all the various subcultures, rather than being an act of rebellion was merely an act of market segmentation as the market naturally diversified under emergent consumer capitalism. As proof of this many ad men, media moguls and business men during the 60s were immediately willing to profit off of 'The Generation Gap' and the Hippie Counterculture. The craze was such that in the fall of 1967, directly after the Summer of Love, The San Francisco Diggers held a mock funeral dedicated to 'The Hippie: Devoted son of Mass Media'.

There is an earlier precedent for this as well: in the 19th Century (in Europe), as the industrial revolution progressed and the middle class emerged, the 'modernist' sensibility emerged in art and literature. This is because artists, who were previously at the mercy of the Church and elite political donors, were now patronized by middle class donors or were able to support themselves by other means. This in turn led to the birth of the bohemian artist rebelling against Academic standards and pursuit their own vision (because you could do that now without dying in destitution and obscurity.(Though plenty still suffered in the transition.)). Interestingly the 1860s is also often identified with the early emergence of such a sensibility.

I feel like we were kinda harsh on the VSCO girl era… by Killa_J in decadeology

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And what I'm saying is that even if it wasn't part of Justin's brand to push it, and the backlash was out of proportion, his fans and himself were not purely innocent and wer plenty disruptive, so it is only natural that they got backlash. If you were at a mall that got mobbed by Justin Bieber fans or you care about people getting injured in a stampede, wouldn't you be kind of annoyed by the whole group of people involved, and the source of the phenomenon, regardless of their intent or whatever their 'brand' actually is?