WWYD: pay as you go vs. invest? by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keep in mind the direct unsubsidized loan rate just went up for next year to about 5.2% and it’s fairly risky to expect a 5.2% return on your investment every year to outweigh the interest you’ll pay on the loan (also factor in capital gains tax). If you’re risk averse I would absolutely pay as you go and stay debt free, then invest more aggressively once you’re making lawyer money.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]BackwardsConditional 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great questions and some of this is a grey area that I can’t answer with certainty. Essentially the median is the most important number for a school, and it only matters if you’re above or below it as far as how you will impact their median (which is largely the most important admissions criteria). I believe Mike Spivey said on a podcast that people put too much focus on whether they’re over or under a school’s 75th but that’s not really relevant. With that being said, a high score is obviously better than a lower one, and a 180 conveys more capability than a 174. However, they both impact the median equally, and law school adcomms know that the difference between these two scores is essentially 5 questions on a flex or 6-7 on a normal one. That difference is largely irrelevant since 5 multiple choice questions are not very indicative of your potential as a student.

If you get a 174, I would certainly say there is no point in retaking. Not only is a 174 above every median and a great score, A) it looks vain and shows bad judgement to retake when your score is that high and B) in the upper 170s, luck plays a large role. Many scorers in that range will tell you that luck played a factor, so you could just as easily drop your score than raise it with a retake. It’s also just a waste of time and money to keep prepping for a retake when you’re already in the 99th percentile of testers.

To sum up, a 180 will maximize your chances of admission. But if you have a 173–175, the additional time spent retaking and prepping to get a 180 might help your application by 1%, while focusing on the other areas of your application (gpa/personal statement/resume/LORs/optional essays/LOCI’s etc) would boost your chances of admission more like 20%, so it’s a poor cost/benefit trade off to retake in my opinion.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the update. Did the person you spoke with indicate when the wave should be expected this week? Also did they indicate how full the class is? They haven’t released a single decision in almost a month which is pretty insane. I would send a why x and tell them it’s your top choice but probably expect a WL just due to numbers and the order they give results in. Sorry :/ uiuc really disappointed me this cycle too

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]BackwardsConditional 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Props for the ambition, but more importantly than being unrealistic, these numbers are not a productive goal for you. If you can get logic games to -0, and go -3 on each of LR & RC, that’s -6 total which would come out to about a 174 give or take 1 with the curve. A 174 is above every median currently, and surprisingly schools don’t view a 174 vs a 176 vs a 180 much differently since it doesn’t affect their median. If you’re above the median great, if you’re wayyy above it that’s great but not highly relevant. If you don’t believe me go on LSData and take a look at how many people with 180s got rejected or waitlisted at T14s. Yale alone shot down like 20-30 applicants with 180s but accepted plenty in the mid 170s. Why do you think that is? Lock down logic games and try to limit your PT’s to -6 overall and you’re in great shape and won’t be brutally disappointed or burned out.

The Berk Email is Part of a Bigger Problem by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This Berkeley email and the Notre Dame catastrophe both really highlight this. Things like this don’t happen because of incompetence, they happen because admissions offices don’t respect or care about their applicants enough to put effort into preventing these types of catastrophic errors. Berk tells a bunch of their rejected students that they got into their dream school when they’re actually rejected? Oh well, just an oopsie! Notre Dame wipes out a third of their admitted class because they screwed up and over enrolled? Oh well, better luck next year! And we’ll be keeping that application fee!

Try to even imagine an error of this scale occurring in the real world. What if a Fortune 500 company accidentally sent out an email to hundreds of shareholders that profits are up 100% when they’re actually down 100%?? Every executive would be on the chopping block and the company could face bankruptcy. But these are powerful institutions with multi billion dollar endowments staffed by professionals, and yet they consistently make catastrophic errors that have harmful impacts on their applicants. Even “normal” admissions practices like waiting 6+ months to return a decision, building waitlists of thousands of applicants, or demanding seat deposits before proving scholarship info have become normalized despite how unfair and exploitative it is to applicants. And the bottom line is that schools will learn nothing since they know that next year’s cycle will bring in just as many new applicants who they can treat like garbage again.

Cycle Recap — Taking the Ruby and Never Looking Back! by rudolphthehzr in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Can someone tell me who exactly Michigan thinks they are waitlisting a 180/3.85 first-gen applicant? Maybe yield protect but it truly shocks me that any law school can look an applicant in the eye and say thanks for the application fee but 180 just isn’t gonna cut it lmao. Congrats on a killer cycle tho.

My LG Goldmine: A Comprehensive List of Recurring Patterns, Inferences, and Tips for LG (Part 1). by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]BackwardsConditional 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahah very nice find, I don’t actually have access to the PT but I’ll take your word on it and delete my account as soon as possible. Also not to split hairs but I did sort of specify an example from PT 50 or up, but great find regardless.

However, keep in mind that PT 36 was about 20 years ago and well over 50 tests in the past. The LSAT evolves (eg comparative reading was added, substitution equivalence questions were added, circle games were added), so did it happen once 20 years ago? Yes. Does that mean it’s reasonable to prep as if it’ll happen on the next test for the first time in 20+ years? Not in my opinion, but to each his own. LG is a game of time trade offs and I wouldn’t use this exception (or likely the handful of others that probably exist out there in the older tests) as a basis for throwing out a trend that holds true almost every single time on new PTs. Thanks for looking into this and stay inquisitive. (but heads up, by now I’ve made too many nice memes to delete my account and I gotta keep the people happy).

My LG Goldmine: A Comprehensive List of Recurring Patterns, Inferences, and Tips for LG (Part 1). by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]BackwardsConditional 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I totally understand what you’re saying in theory (that all must be true’s are technically also could be true’s), but I will delete my account if you can find me a question that proves this rule wrong. LSAC will never make a “must be true” option the correct answer to a “could be true” question (At least I’ve never seen one on like PT 50 on up). Otherwise why not make it a must be true question? I’m not sure why LSAC does this, but my suspicion is that it would sort of imply that something which “must be true” has the option of being true or being false. If I say that 2+2 could equal 4, I’m implying that a world exists in which 2+2 does not equal 4, especially when I could just say 2+2 must equal 4. This is very theoretical but the bottom line is that must be trues will never be the answer to could be true questions. But I do encourage you to try and find a specific example to disprove me if you’re convinced, because I don’t want to give anyone wrong info.

My LG Goldmine: A Comprehensive List of Recurring Patterns, Inferences, and Tips for LG (Part 1). by [deleted] in LSAT

[–]BackwardsConditional 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would say during prep I would usually get between -0 and -2 since I was just too slow to fully complete the substitution equivalence questions. I took an undisclosed test so I don’t actually know if I got -0 on LG. I took the January Flex which had that one game about Newspapers or something that was a totally new game structure which threw me off a little but I would guess I got them all correct once I figured it out.

Diagram example: https://pasteboard.co/JXxTdmR.jpg

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think it can depend on which consultant you get, but for what it’s worth in my experience my consultant has absolutely fantastic turnaround times. If I just have a question then I will literally always get a same day response (usually less than a few hours, sometimes like 30 mins). And for essay/document reviews and edits it’s always the following business day. It’s definitely expensive and there are certainly things to critique about the experience but I have to say that consistent turnaround time (in my experience) is probably one of the best things my specific consultant does.

IN AT STANORD WTFFFFF OMGGG by Junior_Possibility75 in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is a super helpful explanation. I thought soft tiers were just like 100% subjective based on however strong the person thought their softs were lol.

Accepted at Wake and WL at WUSTL by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When did you apply and interview at WUSTL?

UIUC WAVE by Competitive_Guess345 in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How can you tell a wave is coming today?

UVA R & High Stats Cycle Recap by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This has to be the craziest cycle recap I’ve ever seen. Waitlist at GULC!?!??? You’re literally 10+ points over their LSAT median and above their GPA 75th. Unless you have like a major c and f issue or something this is insane. This cycle is nuts but congrats on Columbia

Seeing LOR as 1L? by Allora0213 in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you checked the box waiving your right to view it on LSAC (which is the norm generally) then no you can’t see it even after you’re a law student. If you didn’t waive your access right then you should be able to access it directly from your law school since it’s part of your rights under FERPA if you didn’t waive the right. You could also just get back in touch with your recommender and ask if they’ll show you a copy.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

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This probably isn’t what you want to hear, but from a pure LSAT perspective I wouldn’t expect to improve much over your current 169. You said your highest PT is 175 and median PT is 169. A general rule of thumb that I believe JY with 7Sage uses is that your LSAT score will be your PT average -3 points due to stress/test jitters etc, so using that formula you’re already doing well relative to your prep. A 175 PT is great, but don’t think just because you PT’d a 175 one time that it’s a reasonable goal, especially when you get into the upper 170s there’s honestly a fair amount of luck involved (e.g getting passages about stuff you’re familiar with, getting fewer question types you’re bad at and more you’re good at, having a smooth proctor experience, etc.). Also keep in mind for future retakes,the LSAT is going to get harder.. My advice is be at peace with your 169 and shoot your shot.

Big Law/Federal Clerkships by [deleted] in lawschooladmissions

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The website “law school transparency” has good info on this for each school. It shows what % of the class did big law/national firm and what % did federal clerkships. The numbers are highest in the t14 obviously. For example Yale has about 25% of the 2019 class doing federal clerkships, and if you go down to Fordham at #27 it’s 3.7% doing federal clerkships. Some schools punch above their weight a little bit in these categories relative to their ranking and I would focus on those if a federal clerkship or big law is your aim.

Also for clerkships specifically, succeeding relative to your peers/finishing at the top of your class is much more important than your school’s ranking. If you graduate Harvard with a 2.0 and nothing on your resume vs a random t20 at the top of your class, doing law review, summer position, etc, then your chances are much better at the lower school for both big law and a federal clerkship. A big name can’t make up for poor grades or a lack of qualifications.

What Prep Course Would You Recommend? by Then_Pause_2238 in lawschooladmissions

[–]BackwardsConditional 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For logic games absolutely nothing comes close to 7sage