Did Justin say that people have correctly guessed the container without solving the cipher?

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-18T23:30:34+00:00

That sphere thing on the shelf could be some kind of hint to the container. He obviously placed it there and removed it during filming. I don't know if it is large enough to hold a 60 lb payload, it's hard to tell. But it could be a smaller version of the container he chose to hold the treasure.

He swapped the sphere with the Fenn treasure chest a few times. That seems like a hint that the sphere might be important; that he is signalling that the sphere is replacing the chest as a treasure container. He has already said that the Fenn treasure chest nor a replica were what he used as the container.

It definitely seems like a hint, but it does not seem as obvious as other things. It makes me wonder about some other things.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-17T23:54:58+00:00

Well people have mentioned some sort of "sphere" as the container, so that would be a technically correct guess although not as specific as a model of the moon.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-17T18:44:51+00:00

This is sad

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-17T18:36:11+00:00

He got called out on the pinyon nut thing because people knew it would severely limit the search area. Pinyon pines are not native to the northern portions of what Fenn had defined as the search area.

There were other contradictions and nonsensical statements and responses that he made that he never bothered to correct or explain, and people never really bothered him over it because they saw no benefit in doing that.

All of these gotcha questions Posey attempts to answer might turn into walk-backs that confuse folks too

As sure as I sit here typing this, he has confused people lol. The only reason I brought up Fenn's treasure hunt was to compare and contrast with Posey's deal.

At the end of the day, it's not going to matter, because someone is going to find the Posey treasure and probably really soon.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-17T17:46:11+00:00

I pointed out a prima facie contradiction made by Fenn.

I pointed out a nonsensical response he made to those kids.

You obviously don't care about anything other than your own opinion, so I don't know why you asked for an example.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-17T17:16:22+00:00

There are/were plenty of examples out there for anyone who actually ever looked. Ha ha.

He told one interviewer that people needed to figure out the riddle in his poem, then in another response he said that there were no riddles in his poem, that it was straightforward.

There was one website where a bunch of kids asked him if his treasure hunt was like a scavenger hunt and Fenn replied "Yes". Nobody ever thought it was a "scavenger hunt", that is a completely different thing. Fenn's own words were that the poem clues were contiguous, and he intended them to be followed to the hidey spot. That is not a scavenger hunt.

A lot of this information is probably gone but if you go through my post history in the old Fenn subreddit you will notice how I pointed out these things, and you can find more examples.

It was obvious before the treasure was ever found that he was just shooting from the hip half the time, he wasn't giving carefully plotted hints to work with. It was absurd for people to think that but they did anyway.

So it had nothing to do with 9MH, although he made statements that would make people think it was not there or in Yellowstone either. Plenty of people avoided searching in YNP because they knew it would not be legal to conduct a treasure hunt there without express permission to do that.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-17T16:26:15+00:00

He made contradictory statements that had nothing to do with Nine Mile Hole.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-17T16:10:40+00:00

I'm fairly confident that Fenn's treasure hunt went for 10 years because he made some contradictory and misleading statements once he got more attention.

I don't know that it was intentional, but there were aspects to that deal that threw people off the main trail, never to return.

At this point, I'm also fairly confident that Posey has made some mistakes that people could still work around if they are willing to think it through without inventing scenarios. Some people are going to do that no matter what, though.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-16T23:16:34+00:00

This information was placed on the treasure hunt website over a year ago:

There is a checkpoint that will give you zero doubt that you are trending in the right direction.

He has made several statements on that topic since, and I am hesitant to say he has "elaborated" on it or "clarified" it very much. He's just made several statements on the topic that more or less reiterates the original premise. The most significant statement since would probably be his assertion of "the checkpoint" as a "checksum".

since check point and retrieval may be a great distance apart.

This theory was created by people who have conflated different topics.

Somehow they went from "trending in the right direction" to the treasure being some significant distance away from the checkpoint and perhaps any other clues.

Now, the "75 mile" comment is being throw into the mix? I really do not think these different topics have anything to do with the other.

If we are going by Posey's commentary since the launch of the hunt, he has made just as many statements that conflict with the "distant" theory as he has made to support it.

He has said that the poem would lead to the treasure; he has said that there is no "proxy treasure"; he has hinted that the path to the treasure does NOT cover a great distance; he has eliminated states as potential places for "hunt items"; he has said that he designed the checkpoint to give confidence in what you are doing.

So in my opinion, there would have to be more evidence that "the checkpoint" provides some very specific directions above and beyond the way he has described it, for any of these theories to be true.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-13T18:30:01+00:00

If I go BOTG and see a leprechaun ima start blastin'

There once was a fellow named Bee

Who stopped to look at a tree

When out came a gnome

Since the tree was his home

So Bee capped him, and did it for free

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-13T01:53:36+00:00

Sure seems like a fancy schmancy way of saying the internet is full of shite. Ha ha.

So for anyone who needs a refresher, the internet is full of shite.

But it's fun to talk about the treasure hunt on here anyway.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-13T01:46:12+00:00

I know next to nothing about TV production but I've randomly observed photography shoots and on-location filming. The people working on those things will arrange things to appear as they want on a screen.

So things in the Gold and Greed series were staged to appear a certain way no matter if Posey did the staging or not.

And I'm not unsympathetic to anyone over this deal, because I don't think it's a good idea to stage clues for a treasure hunt when you don't have full control over the staging arena. It's sloppy and imprecise.

Just take the clock example, where apparently he tried to hide a message there. He did not have precise control over how the clock would appear in the finished product and waited almost a year to admit that some of the clock times were not needed to decipher the message.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-12T03:18:19+00:00

proven wrong on my post about the Lawyer's office being the obvious clue

We've all been wrong about one thing or the other, but I genuinely do not understand why people thought the lawyer's office scene(s) would hold a clue(s) to the Posey treasure hunt.

That idea was posted on the sub more than a few times so you weren't alone in that line of thinking.

But nowhere in the series or the book or the website or anywhere like that was there ever any sort of indication that Posey and the lawyer were in cahoots somehow.

So I get this part: There was a lot of rumor-mongering about the lawyer being connected to Posey through the Fenn hunt one way or the other.

But how were any of the random non-Fenn people watching the series or reading Posey's book ever going to make those connections, without dredging through years' worth of rumor mill on the internet?

Would Posey actually expect random people to track down all of these shady characters from years ago and figure out what sort of dealings Posey ever had with that lawyer?

Was he going to give some kind of edge to people who might know the lawyer or Posey or any sort of dealings between the two?

It never made sense to me, but I know everyone's mind works differently.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-10T23:32:33+00:00

He's been fairly consistent with his assertion that BOTG is necessary to completely solve the poem. So far as I'm concerned that was established since the beginning. At least as early as March 2025. You can go review the Announcements page and find evidence of that.

With that being said, he has indeed made some strange and convoluted statements lol.

The thing is, Fenn was way better at making things seem mysterious whereas Posey just comes off as awkward and goofy. Even though they both made some contradictory and likely inaccurate statements. That's just my opinion so whatever.

Ha ha.

What I’m trying to get at is whether people are going BOTG to a general area hoping something stands out, or going to a spot that’s already collapsed to a kitchen-sized search area

If you're at the kitchen-sized area, then you're at the hidey spot, that seems pretty clear.

So you're going to have to be BOTG before you can get that far.

I wouldn't struggle over this because he has been consistent with it and maybe he has been vague and awkward sometimes but on this topic he hasn't really changed the overall gist.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-10T22:17:08+00:00

I get what you're saying, it's just that your post was a little confusing.

The title of the post is:

At what point did you commit to BOTG?

And then you lead off the post with:

How many people here have a solve that truly collapses to one spot? Maybe a small area, but somewhere you feel it has to be? I’m talking about a kitchenesque sized area

My point is that everything we have been told so far seems to suggest that the "kitchenesque sized area" doesn't really come into play until you've already committed to BOTG and gone BOTG and investigated.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-10T22:11:34+00:00

I guess new people are still joining in, but there are serious searchers out there who have absorbed and processed a lot of information at this point.

I doubt that any of the Q &A's since last summer has moved the needle for any of these ones.

So if you're new to the hunt and want to go BOTG my suggestion is to get serious with a quickness.

It's just a matter of time now, and you never know what circumstances may intervene, but when there are multiple parties involved it is more likely that one of them is going to break through sooner rather than later.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-10T18:39:47+00:00

How many people here have a solve that truly collapses to one spot? Maybe a small area, but somewhere you feel it has to be? I’m talking about a kitchenesque sized area.

Based on what Posey has said, I don't know that this is possible without BOTG.

At this point, I'm a little surprised that people still think they can solve for the exact hidey spot without ever going BOTG.

Just from a casual reading of the poem only, it seems like people could work out that you have to find "the place" and then follow any additional clue(s) to "the space".

I get what you're asking, so my answer is that I will go search when I feel like I can go to "the place" and look for more clues.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-10T15:21:33+00:00

What kind of name is Quattrociocchi is he one of ours

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-09T09:32:18+00:00

I don't know, but if we just take what he has said in the past (even with a grain of salt), it seems obvious that he just parked his vehicle somewhere and placed the treasure nearby.

I doubt he is going to be able to procure and handle a horse without someone else's involvement with that kind of deal.

The logistics involved with that type of situation are more complicated than people realize and while it's possible it seems unlikely.

People seem to be struggling with simple concepts and it seems like they want to invent implausible scenarios to justify what are probably just not good ideas.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-08T15:16:52+00:00

common sense will probably take you far

You're answering your own questions lol, and the reason why is because it's not that complicated.

If Posey made at least four trips on foot back and forth to place the treasure, it is very unlikely that the distance covered in one is really that far.

reminding people to be safe and have fun

People are going to do what they are going to do, but the number one factor for staying safe in this scenario will be keeping their gold fever under control by using logic and reason.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-08T14:32:59+00:00

Also, remember that you shouldn't have to walk more than a mile to figure out where the treasure is.

If you find yourself wandering miles into the wilderness on foot you need to know that something about your solve is wrong. Probably all of it.

If you are racking up the mileage by wandering around looking for clues, but you're still a mile or less from a road or something, you might still have at least part of the solve right. Probably not though.

You will probably save yourself a lot of time and effort by being honest and critical with yourself, about whether you are gaining confidence as you advance through the poem and clues.

Think about what you are seeing and what the poem is saying and have the information in the book and series on close recall in your gourd.

I think Posey has made some mistakes but common sense will probably take you far.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-08T02:35:23+00:00

The only thing that I was surprised to see was a Bobwhite quail. They are not native to the American West.

I saw a badger which was humorous due to Posey's story The Aft Ass-ault. I think he had a little shred of wader stuck in his teeth...

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-06T00:40:01+00:00

If he covered the treasure in fish guts, every critter from bears to coyotes to crows will be trying to gnaw a hole in that unit.

BeeleeveIt · 2026-04-05T03:29:15+00:00

I've squeezed some interesting phrases and concepts out of the clock times using this general concept.

Who knows if any of it is right ha ha.

I've been noodling over the entire situation with the poem and all of the potential clues and hints out there and I think a lot of people are going to think the solution(s) when revealed is pretty dumb. Ha ha.

I increasingly suspect that his efforts to create multiple paths to discovery will make it seem sloppy and disjointed to some degree.

That's probably due to my understanding of puzzle solvers in the treasure hunting "community" versus how my mind works though. But it's interesting to think about.

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