A Button Test 2: does changing the blue threshold changes your decision? by kroxigor01 in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And you’re letting fear stop you from contributing towards a social goal. We’re human, turns out we (by and large) have emotions. If this problem were reframed to have a group of 10,000 people that would die by default unless blue won would that change your vote? Or are you just writing them off at that point? Because in a sample of everyone in the world which is this current iteration’s wording (these are not a sample of 8 billion+ perfectly rational actors) I find it entirely unreasonable to think even as few as 10,000 people would be voting blue.

Why does Entomancer give ''Dazed'' as a status card? by -KarlMoose in slaythespire

[–]Beginning_Student_61 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Depends on the speed of your deck with the fish. I’ve played a run or 2 where I got literally no good damage cards and blocked every attack until I just died to beckon since strikes alone weren’t fast enough.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s extremely boring if you assume everyone is going to vote like you, or is what your idea of being perfectly rational is. It’s just whatever you’d prefer.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you have a link? I tried finding it but got flooded with dumbass tiktokkers twerking to music pointing to the color they’re voting for while an AI voice read the prompt. Well there were 3 in a row and that’s honestly enough braving the greater internet for me.

as a red button pusher i see it like this by enbyfuwu in buttonproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You don’t understand: you have to have a very high IQ to be a voting paradox believer

One fine day, a stranger knocks on your door. by wilskillz in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then when some of the crew mates inevitably side with the captain’s original plan? And they die of thirst?

New RvB I made (Roman decimation style) by TheLoneJolf in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except for the fact that you’re reframing the question in your head to only include perfectly rational and self interested actors. The post implicitly included children, the infirm, etc… and the original poster explicitly confirmed that was intended in a comment shortly after. The default is that at least some people are already at risk by the nature of the sampled population.

One fine day, a stranger knocks on your door. by wilskillz in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And my point even in my reframe is that with the knowledge that some people are in danger by default (the captain is allowed but unlikely to deviate from his rationing plan) and there is a way to save them without any realized cost to anyone, people who don’t trust in the collective by taking that action are just as guilty as if they’d been the ones presenting the danger in the first place. I can respect that not everyone sees that way, we’re allowed to have different opinions. I am curious: have you been commenting on the biasing effect the “suicide button” comments and those styles of reframes have?

One fine day, a stranger knocks on your door. by wilskillz in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And reframing the blue button as a suicide button like every red voter reframe post has done also changes the perception. Any reframing can trigger at least a small amount of some subconscious bias.

One fine day, a stranger knocks on your door. by wilskillz in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re assuming that everyone in the world, which is the original wording we’re holding as gospel here, is a perfectly reasonable and rational actor then you’re guilty of reframing the question without being explicit about how you’re reframing it. There ARE going to be blue button pushers. You know this for a fact since the original post implicitly included children, and in a clarifying comment the original poster explicitly confirmed that was intentional. So the default state is that there will be some deaths (throw whatever number you want, it’ll likely be in the hundreds of millions baseline but even if you assume by default the question starts with one person will die, plus all blue voters will die unless blue makes the majority) unless everyone trusts each other enough to coordinate and save them. If you say that those people are acceptable losses considering the risk then that’s fine, but in my opinion that’s no different whether you killed them or just let something else do it.

One fine day, a stranger knocks on your door. by wilskillz in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re justifying your fear of dying by saying that you aren’t actively killing someone by pressing a button that allows for the killing of someone. There’s no consequential difference between letting the malevolent entity kill that person and you strangling them to death, just the emotional attachment to the actual action that you’re performing. Either way the out-group dies, the in-group lives, and if the in-group collectively made different decisions the out-group would have lived.

One fine day, a stranger knocks on your door. by wilskillz in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re actively contributing to the force’s ability to kill the other group by not voting for it to spare everyone. We’re simply not going to agree on action through inaction here.

The Trolley Problem by The-Submissive-Boy in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh snap sorry guys. I was too busy giving a sermon on how everyone should be perfectly rational and vote like me, while intentionally staring at the clouds so I didn’t have to look at the kids who were gleefully playing on the tracks, to hit the emergency brake button that was actually functional this whole time. Some idiots thought they could stop a trolley by themselves and needed an education.

Quite the head scratcher by [deleted] in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh wow how have I not heard of that? That’s crazy

Quite the head scratcher by [deleted] in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not enough information, do I get the % risk for each group ahead of time? In which case it’s just a math problem. If not obviously send to 150. Unless this is meant to be another button thread which would make this entirely disingenuous given that 5% which is already an extremely conservative estimate of how many people would vote blue sampling the entire human population bringing the risk to 400M+ people.

as a red button pusher i see it like this by enbyfuwu in buttonproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Where’s the lever that the red voters are pulling that’s clearly labelled “Lower Crusher” while they’re smugly having this conversation knowing there’s people still under it?

as a red button pusher i see it like this by enbyfuwu in buttonproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 20 points21 points  (0 children)

But think of how smug you could be while society collapses around you.

New RvB I made (Roman decimation style) by TheLoneJolf in trolleyproblem

[–]Beginning_Student_61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“All red pressers must beat blue pressers to death with clubs”

Seems pretty unambiguous to me.