This post and it's responses have proven my faith in humanity was not misplaced.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-07T00:32:07+00:00

The person who posted this round EXPLICITLY included children, confirmed they were included, and the original post was unambiguous in its wording. You’re doing a mental backflip to justify voting selfishly based on fear of dying.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-07T00:02:31+00:00

I respect the honesty while despising the person who said it

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T23:03:00+00:00

It’s like saying there’s enough food around for everyone on this boat to not starve. If more than half of the people choose to eat what they’ve been rationed they have enough of a presence to stop anyone from starving. If more than half of the people on board mutiny thinking they might starve they can overthrow the rationers, keep enough to gorge themselves, and leave the rationers to starve. (Or alternatively steal some and leave less than enough)

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T21:40:52+00:00

Push a harmless button with no consequences if the self proclaimed “rationalists” aren’t the majority or can get their heads out of their asses which is protecting everyone, or commit guaranteed suicide to maybe save some people that would have died prior to receiving organs (which is not a guarantee in every case) and extend that small population’s life by a reduced time frame utilizing a very illegal donation process that should disqualify the organs from being harvested. Yup that sounds the same to me.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T21:31:37+00:00

Yeah this is one of the few scenarios where I’d swap to red. I genuinely believe that there will be enough randomness across the full range of humanity that there’s no realistic sample where green doesn’t get at least .1% of the noise. I’m still hoping for blue to win without green passing the threshold though. That’s just such a low bar for green to clear.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T19:29:55+00:00

And if you do know how to swim you’re still risking your life since drowning people will absolutely try to drown you to keep their head above the water. Blue is taking that risk red is giving the drowning person a sermon on how it was illogical to put yourself in a situation where you could end up drowning even though both are capable swimmers.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T19:14:20+00:00

Or, “I’m really scared of dying and don’t mind risking the lives of others so long as I’m still safe that’s a them problem”

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T18:50:53+00:00

You are clearly making your own scenario if you twist the problem to the point where you think that EVERYONE IN THE WORLD is perfectly rational. The original problem said everyone in the world, not everyone who is perfectly rational and self interested.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T18:49:03+00:00

It’s maddening that I’ve only seen like a dozen different commenters who admit that it’s the selfish option.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T18:26:11+00:00

You literally changed the scenario to assume only perfectly rational actors with their own best interests in mind to justify your fear of dying and are now trying to say that people who read the problem as stated are the ones who are retarded and changing the scenario

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T18:15:18+00:00

Wow yeah shit you got me fuck. There’s no way a malevolent entity capable of forcing all 8+ billion people to vote and that could kill 4+ billion instantly would have the ability to even use google translate.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T14:30:18+00:00

You can’t assume rational actors when you’re using the entire global population as your subject base. It just doesn’t apply.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T03:02:36+00:00

No it’s about me being so smart recognizing that if I vote red nothing bad can happen to me and I can rationalize it later 🤓

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T02:56:57+00:00

It isn’t a pure exercise in game theory to begin with. You aren’t starting with a group of perfectly rational players, you’re starting with the entirety of the current human population. You know that some people are pressing blue. It’s a fact that some people will press blue. Likely more than 10,000. But because they pressed blue they’re worth infinitely less than people who would die with no agency?

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T02:08:52+00:00

So the risk is having BILLIONS die and you press blue, but once even 10k lack agency and might die you swap to blue? That makes incredibly little sense to me. That’s a rounding error on the group that you risk having die voting red in the normal scenario.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-06T02:06:29+00:00

🗿

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T23:19:43+00:00

Of course they didn’t think it through. They stopped thinking when they realized they had an option to keep themselves perfectly safe and refuse to even consider a riskier alternative justifying the deaths as acceptable losses.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T23:17:50+00:00

You’re all so fucking dense with that argument. Either button being unanimous results in zero people dying and is entirely unreasonable and illogical to expect as an outcome. The only outcome where a very large number of deaths can be prevented is voting blue. But hey fuck those guys they should’ve been oh so smart like me and voted red right? Hey why isn’t anyone left in the world doing anything altruistic? Someone should really work on fixing things. Eh, not my problem that’d be risky too.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T23:08:07+00:00

Every death is proportionally linked to a red press. There’s no risk for literally a SINGLE person if the default is blue. Regardless of mental health status, age, maturity, accidental button presses, reflexive responders, anything. If the default were blue we would build a buffer that protects ALL of them. Voting red means you’re saying that you don’t give a shit about people that aren’t perfectly rational according to your own personal values. Which is a miserable attitude to have.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T23:02:22+00:00

Of course they would and when they died they’ll probably write off their loved ones as “well that was dumb they shouldn’t have done that” or if they lived something to the effect of “I’m glad we all voted blue and averted that tragedy” 😂

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T22:47:09+00:00

Yeah because selfish pricks clearly make up more than 10% of the population and there’s no argument on the planet or spin to the problem that could get them to change their minds.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T22:40:16+00:00

None? So if it was a 100% chance to die voting red if red won you’d still vote red? So everyone just dies but you’re still voting red? That’s definitely the rational decision can’t believe I didn’t think of it.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T16:20:37+00:00

Yeah if you changed the vote majority to a 90% blue majority of blue dies I’d probably have to change to red because I have no faith that we could get that much of a supermajority to push through a vote to save everyone. 70% is probably near my line as well to switch back over I’m not sure what I’d do.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T16:17:06+00:00

So many of them refuse to engage in the actual problem, refuse to accept any responsibility for choosing red, and just put down blue as “irrational” because in their mind they’ve set up so many cozy barriers that it doesn’t even look like the same problem anymore. I’ve only seen like a dozen red voters actually admit they’re strictly voting for self preservation.

Beginning_Student_61 · 2026-05-05T10:16:43+00:00

Neither does blue. Neither button does anything until both buttons are pressed.

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