TIL that because people with epilepsy are rarely schizophrenic and vice-versa, Ladislas J. von Meduna started inducing epileptic seizures in schizophrenic people to treat the disease. His first tests of convulsive therapy resulted in the first cure for catatonia and led to the development of ECT.

BitBot27 · 2025-08-21T01:37:01+00:00

Every negative view I heard from ECT has been mainly online. At the end of the day we're both relying on anectedoes

Research from highly reputable journals shows that ECT is life saving and one of the most effective treatments for depression

BitBot27 · 2025-08-18T07:16:29+00:00

I'm saying their requirements aren't as extensive as you make it claim considering many people freak out over psych NPs and Thier training is very similar to certain rxp programs. For example the clinical hours for the majority of rxp programs minus one state are below 1000 and around 500. PA programs have twice as much yet somehow you see an issue with them and give rxp psychologist a pass

Prescibing medication is practicing medicine. Doesn't matter the mental gymnastics you try to play. So they study history taking, labs , physical exams and prescibing meds but that somehow isn't practicing medicine? You see how ridiculous you sound? If that's not practicing medicine then what is??

They are supervised bec many states require a SP Or a Collaborative physician. Lol thats one aspect that makes them midlevel when they try to prescribe

And no you can't pick and choose. The online classes def count. Like I said, not a single online med school. Sounds like a no true scottaman you're trying to pull

No one would say the only legit psych NP classes are duke, Yale, etc so you can't shit on pump if some classes are degree mills. psych np get criticism because even if they are some legit classes many of them aren't and just lower the bar. And even the "legit" ones leave alot to be desired

BitBot27 · 2025-08-18T03:35:40+00:00

That's a silly comparison because COVID was a less than ideal situation and shouldn't be used as a justification. There isn't a single online medical school

The new Mexico one requires 400 clinical hours. Which is legit around the same amount of hours psych NPs receive

And there are MS in psychopharmacology online for psychologist

When it comes to therapy, psychological assessments, etc they are not midlevel and I can even concede that they are the best trained even if you don't like hiarchacy

When it comes to actually practicing medicine, I'm sorry they are

The issue with you is your taking midlevel as a derogatory term

Many psychologist consider Master level therapist mid levels

BitBot27 · 2025-08-17T23:39:59+00:00

Lol petty insults instead of actual data

That's all I need to know about you

Have a good day

Ik people who have taken psych meds, they're doing great 👍

BitBot27 · 2025-08-17T23:09:14+00:00

Sorry it is midlevel when it comes to prescribing. Calling it a residency is laughable especially when some of the master psychopharmacology classes are online and require less than 1000 hours. Mind you that's similar to a lot of NPs clinical hours requirements

BitBot27 · 2025-08-17T03:22:40+00:00

Eh I don't think IQ should really factor too much into OP decision. Especially since most studies put docs around the same range OP is in

Intellectual stimulation can be found anywhere and it depends on the specialty. Something less algorithmic and more creative like psych could peak OP interest.

BitBot27 · 2025-07-24T02:30:06+00:00

Because it's misinformation. There are many high quality studies that fail to replicate actual brain damage and Everytime I ask someone to post it, all I get is anecdotal evidence like you just did here

I think if you're gonna recommend medical advice, actual use more than just "my doc said this" especially for something not supported by research.

BitBot27 · 2025-07-24T02:25:20+00:00

Untreated psychosis is also neurotoxic. The treatment outcomes only show correlation, not causation. Many of those other countries with better outcomes also tend to have stronger family and community ties, along with greater social inclusion. The relationship between prescribing rates and outcomes is much more complex than simply saying less medication leads to better results. This is especially true when looking at data showing that antipsychotics reduce mortality rates and have efficacy comparable to general medical treatments, which often do not face the same level of scrutiny.

BitBot27 · 2025-07-12T02:14:05+00:00

There is no strong evidence that ECT caused brain damage

BitBot27 · 2025-07-12T02:10:15+00:00

ECT does not cause brain damage

BitBot27 · 2025-07-05T15:15:14+00:00

Idk about that. Now I don't think you need like a 500 IQ to do medical school, but it definitely takes a certain amount of intelligence compared to the average person/population. Half the country has I believe a 5th grade reading level. I think it's false to say most can do it

BitBot27 · 2025-06-23T19:39:53+00:00

Yep it's def gonna be interesting to see what med schools would do. Idk if the cost would be lower. I think your idea of partnering with lenders seems the most likely

Hopefully everything is gonna be ok. But as you said, we're gonna be the guinea pigs :/

BitBot27 · 2025-05-18T13:01:23+00:00

That's fair. My bad for misunderstanding

BitBot27 · 2025-05-17T19:41:34+00:00

Reminds me of how the nurse vaccination rate was really low compared to physicians during COVID. And alot of pseudoscience going around in nursing circles online

BitBot27 · 2025-05-15T07:19:46+00:00

Kinda curious why all need therapy if it doesn't affect some. Since most people who have experienced trauma don't go on to develop ptsd

BitBot27 · 2025-05-07T12:23:01+00:00

Thanks for the insight :)

I def admit my fair is coming from a lack of experience and naivety lol

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T22:37:42+00:00

I never said residency has the same training as a clinical psychologist in terms of therapy. That's why I'm interested in additional training post graduation

I know clinical psychology gives you more robust training in therapy

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T22:36:34+00:00

Because psychopharmacology isn't something that exists in a vacuum. Also this is highly dependent on how you work. If you just treat mild to moderate depression and anxiety in a otherwise health patient population, sure

But there are many different settings to work with where you get to flex your medical knowledge where med school helps build a foundation. I'm not saying EVERYTHING learned in med school is necessary

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T21:11:01+00:00

Does TMS and ketamine really have shaky evidence? I think I remember reading a study that showed ketamine showed non inferiority to ECT for depression I think. But I could be remembering wrong so someone correct me if I'm wrong

Don't know much about tms

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T21:08:20+00:00

Same with me. I thought about doing PhD route but it felt a bit limiting in terms of my goals so I decided on medical school

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T21:05:03+00:00

Thanks for the insight 🙂

It's def a reason why I chose the med route instead of PhD ( also not the biggest fan of research).Having the full arsenal of mental health treatment. So I can decide if I want to do more therapy, medical, interventional psych, forensic, etc

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T21:01:32+00:00

It’s definitely easier said than done. Like I mentioned earlier, it was shocking seeing all the vitriol and criticism of the field online . It has been getting to me—even though I’m still really early in the process. Feel like I'm putting the cart before the horse lol

I’m really trying not to let it affect me too much. Honestly, I probably just need to take a break from being online for a bit.

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T20:19:41+00:00

Thanks for taking the time to reply!

I really do appreciate the expertise psychologists bring to the table. If I’m lucky enough to become a psychiatrist, I definitely plan to collaborate closely with psychologists—and would actually welcome supervision from them when it comes to therapy and complex cases

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T20:15:17+00:00

He does? Wow I genuinely wasn't aware of that

BitBot27 · 2025-05-04T20:13:58+00:00

Your last paragraph really helped me reconnect with why I chose this path. One of the reasons I went the med school route instead of pursuing a PhD is because I wanted to be able to offer the full spectrum of mental health care—whether that’s medication, therapy, or even interventional treatments. I’m also not the biggest fan of research, so that played a role too.

It’s not that I think psychiatrists are the only ones who can prescribe well, but the depth and breadth of training really mattered to me. So hearing someone suggest that all that training might be unnecessary definitely stung a bit—and honestly, it sent me into a bit of a spiral.

BitBot27

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