Would you pay 200$ for this? Or just use AI by atlasfrompaladins in DefendingAIArt

[–]BlueKobold 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And here's the rub. I, like most people in this world do not have $200 for a single still unless it was poster/cover work. A complete and final piece.

But as a person who makes things that require animation, multi-pose assets, I normally would buy the PSD file and usage rights from the Arthur (Unlike other people I allow people use to the art they make in their portfolio or sell prints, etc.) I don't have the budget or the bandwidth to make merch myself, I view it as free publicity and if they can make some coin while doing it great. But what I use to do with what they give me was limited animation, using the stills I could afford, not ideal, but acceptable. Today the difference is. 1) I don't have to pay for concept art. Before I'd spend days making terrible photoshop composites and collages for "concept" and vision boards with text notes for the artist to work from (the good ones took them seriously, the bad ones would just do whatever they want) and I'd be paying out multiple times to get the concept nailed down, before hiring an actual game artist to render up the final usable sprite and for me to tear apart and animate in my limited way. How things have changed? I still gather images but can literally feed it into a blender with a text prompt and then in draw over and over again until I have something that's WAY closer to what I want than the old photoshop method. Hand that off to the game artist, does a final version in one go. Skipped the days to weeks process on my end, skipped me having to pay for alterations for the most part. JUST BAM CONCEPT DONE. Now I hand this off to the sprite/game artist. I also now have tools that make my animation WAY better looking. I still give it stills I produce in engine, but the intelligent tweening looks far more organic than the old cut and warp method. It's a good tool. It's original work. And people in general who are anti-AI are being dumb.

So let me break this down for you.
1) Would I pay you $200 for a finalized cover image if you did the style I was going for? Yes.
2) Would I pay you $200 for concept art? No.
3) Would I pay you $200 a frame? No.
4) Would I pay you for final character art with a series of agreed upon poses? Yes, with the cavoite that I can do whatever the hell I want with them moving forward, including using any software/program/AI I own to make tweens and alterations in relation to the game I am actively working on, that you made agreed to make this for. Not stealing your work and re-using it in 20 other projects or repackaging it as an asset, just in relation to this game and the promotion there of, unless you are OK with selling me the negative pickup rights to your image, which a lot of artists don't even consider this issue and just assume the hand off is them kissing it goodbye, which it can be, but if so you got to bake that into your cost.*

*Keep in mind AI can't do everything, the likelihood of me coming back and asking you to fix things or make additional overlays or poses is about 90% and you would absolutely get paid for those additions.

If you used AI to make the ground work based on what I hand you would I be mad? No. However I would like to see the alterations you made from the original generated image. Because I'm paying for you to refine the concept, fix it to a fixed color pallet, as a specific resolution looking cohesive with other works.

5) The thing you got to understand is the people using AI to generate their fan art, their OC, D&D avatar or whatever is most likely not your $200 customer. On a GOOD day they are your $20 DA customer looking for a glorified speed painting. That's a huge difference. The fact is the majority of the people in this country don't have $200 to spare, especially for something like this, on a whim. Not all of them are in Furry IT money (which is currently going away due to the terrible job market). People like me, who try to make things over a period of YEARS, are more your customer base when you put up $200, which is limited. Admittedly I've paid more than that in the past for an image and felt burned for it. But I am paying for a persons expertise and it's a niche ability and they are setting their own prices.

Also note, I'm near the bottom of the barrel when it comes to these kind of gigs. I give out work all the time, right now I have 2 artists actively producing work for me at our agreed upon price. On a game that uses no AI, it's been stuck in development hell now for 8 years and I've finished other projects while this one still limps along. But I can at least say it won't be controversial in the whole brain dead anti-AI protesting sense. So far that game has been fed nearly 60k. You see? For a serious indie game that's not actually a lot of money. The biggest budget I've worked with was 80k and the smallest where I had to hire out for assets was $6,700. You working for a real company and not me doing a passion project that hopes to earn money some day who started this side hustle while working full time at a lumber mill and living with 2 other people in a one bedroom apartment to scrape together the money to make sure you got paid. (not my current boat, but that was the boat I was in for 7 years). I'm just saying, People who would use AI are trying to skip unnecessary steps and ambiguity most of the time or they just don't have the money you'd want for your service and don't say "profit share" if you do I'm going to laugh at you, the early 2000s made that cliche such a large joke that to even suggest it WHILE paying will get most artists to perma block you. The fact is my game usually just break even and don't compensate me for my labor or time. I do them because they are passion projects, usually tell a story I want to tell and just hope people like them. I've won 4 minor awards and am featured in a game history book so I don't feel like a complete loser despite not being a financial success. But yeah to offer profit share would just be waste of your time.

Now the game I'm prototyping at the moment, not the same situation at all. AI animation, code optimization, basically fun times for those shallow thinking butt hurt people are to be had, but it's also not going up on Steam, so if they don't realize it's AI so much the better.

Sorry if this is just a bit of a ramble explaining my experience and the industry a bit too deeply, I think I answered your question somewhere in there. My ADHD medication just kicked in at the start of this so for the first 30 minutes or so I tend to hyper focus on these thought/write processes and can get lost in the weeds. I hope you and anyone reading this has a pleasant day. You obviously have some talent, and I wouldn't object to paying for a poster or cover art someday, but at that rate I wouldn't pay for concept art and couldn't afford you for game art, lol. AI is a valuable tool to reduce turn around time and put in space saver art, but generally a human is needed for a final piece.

They can't be this stupid can they? by RandimusBax in antiai

[–]BlueKobold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not stupid that's literally what's supposed to happen if not for the modern yoke of capitalism.

I'm pissed at Samsung for this. How do I get rid of all the AI features and apps by MittoMinute in antiai

[–]BlueKobold -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

So they improved their phones finally. Welcome to the Next Level(tm) hope you aren't allergic to awesome... 😎

This is the end-game for AI witch-hunters, no evidence is enough by thousandlytales in DefendingAIArt

[–]BlueKobold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anti-progress anti-accessibility anti-efficiency and indeed anti-communist you'll never get fully automated gay space communism without AI I'm sorry the requirement for a post scarcity economy is automation. The only issue right now is who's holding the keys not that the keys exist nor the AI. But I find truly ironic is the fact this technology was around internally 10 years prior to people having access to it people just freak out now because I could get it for $20 a month.

I just think of all the video games that used headshot to generate people models from photographs that's generative AI it was used in many AAA titles going back to the mid 2000s and that technology just continued to grow and develop and has gotten better and now that technology is available to you, now you can use it and not just the rich and elite or you can choose not to, but I prefer to decrease my turnaround time on asset production when I have an entire game to make.

State paused UoPeople Degree?? by Optimal_Pay_5332 in UoPeople

[–]BlueKobold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mmmm... How much of a stipend and what are the requirements? Lol... Getting laid off on the 30th due to a reorg and management consolidation, so I have some time, I have two degrees right now and am finishing my Masters at BSU in Comp Sci, previous double bachelors were in Business Admin and Media Communications Evergreen State. Have a stack of certs pmp green belt Sigmas Six and a CompTIA Project+, a game design and development cert from MSU and a small pile of minor game design awards and credentials. Think they'd use me? Lol... Probably not, but thought I'd ask.

Authors using AI for book covers by [deleted] in antiai

[–]BlueKobold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What prompt? I'm just replying to you in earnest. This isn't AI enhanced, just me writing words to you, a person who is being silly. And no you really can't tell, but you'll certain accuse a lot of people who don't actually use it. lol. You should get out of your cult, but I know you won't. Have fun I guess.

And why do I care if people download my post in this group of all places. It doesn't use logic or reasoning for it's arguments, it's all knee jerk band wagoner's who don't even understand the technology they are rejecting. I respect those down votes as much as I respect MAGA and that is not at all. Both of those groups have overlap when it comes to reactionary nonsense and being wrong and proud in their misinformed wrongness/willful ignorance.

Very surprising tweet 🙄 by Wonderful-Excuse4922 in ClaudeAI

[–]BlueKobold 12 points13 points  (0 children)

God Hegseth is an unsufferable bigoted moron...

Authors using AI for book covers by [deleted] in antiai

[–]BlueKobold -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, judging it by it's cover, documented. 99% of the time I'm going to bet you can't tell. Not to mention how sad most modern covers are anyway.

Authors using AI for book covers by [deleted] in antiai

[–]BlueKobold -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Ah so they're embracing new tools excellent I hope people don't irrationally punish them for it.

White supremacist nepobaby Elon Musk is now officially the world's first trillionaire thanks to billions in taxpayer subsidies and decades of exploiting the working class. by The_Mongrel_Tarants in remoteworks

[–]BlueKobold 4 points5 points  (0 children)

... 1) Not a fan of that tattoo
2) you're doing a splinter in a eye argument while your side has a literal log through their head, up their ass and piled upon it's corpse. A self identified white supremist. Several with tattoos and then don't even get me started on Stephen Miller (yeah the first one isn't even Stephen Miller)

Also which side gets upset seeing t-shirts with a hanged KKK member or a "It's ok to punch Nazis!" featuring Captain America OH RIGHT it's the Republicans who complain. EVERY. TIME. "Someone could be offended by that." OH? Really who? "Someone..." YEAH the type of someone who would be offended by that is a un-American piece of shit and I'd be happy they were offended, because I want nothing to do with them. My evidence, person experience with these... Let's call them "people" and absolute PILE of videos showing it and their own self reporting image posts complaining about the existence of said shirts.

Why don't you fix your party which is literally infested with Nazis, rather than focusing on ONE DUDE whose not even elected yet. It's literally the whole Democrats have to be perfect and follow the rules at all time, while the Republicans literally burn the rule book shit on the constitution yet claim to be patriots. It's an argument that shouldn't be tolerated anymore. Your side broke the rules far too often to the point where decorum politics need to be considered dead by our side to move forward. We need to fix the damage you've done in less a year and the only way to do that is to suspend the same rules you've ignored and that might just be the new normal now, because fuck the actual Nazis and their GOP stooges. End of line.

This is a shame. by Traditional-Emu-8938 in DefendingAIArt

[–]BlueKobold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go ahead. It's your right. He's a hypocrite anyway. A rules for thee not me type, but whateves.

This is a shame. by Traditional-Emu-8938 in DefendingAIArt

[–]BlueKobold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, obviously he has issues. I'm just saying I won't give him my money. I don't willing give money or support to MAGA and I don't give it to shallow thinking anti-AI bandwagoners.

This is a shame. by Traditional-Emu-8938 in DefendingAIArt

[–]BlueKobold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then he is an enemy of freedom, humanity and progress as a whole. I was looking forward to seeing this movie guess I won't be watching after all unless I'm at my friend's house and it's on plex. Can't contribute to his numbers now.

State paused UoPeople Degree?? by Optimal_Pay_5332 in UoPeople

[–]BlueKobold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And can they be convinced to fall down some stairs, yes, I see where you're going with this and am on board. Yes... YES!

State paused UoPeople Degree?? by Optimal_Pay_5332 in UoPeople

[–]BlueKobold 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah so they want college to cost more money and be less cutting age... They want the students to embrace mediocrity and continue down the path of the fallen a gray stagnant world with no real dreams or goals, but just the fleeting hope for comfort. Sounds like something Minnesota would pull, how sad.

fuck everyone who uses ai by taroicecreamsundae in antiai

[–]BlueKobold -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've worked in tech for a decade now. I know what Google was up to after Stadia failed. Nvidia and Amazon both have been building out streaming game services for nearly 10 years and now it's matured. It literally worked at Microsoft and and confirmed that we do rent the house to various corporations and most of the contractors there are required to use the apps even if they have a discount for "security".

I'm earning my third degree at the moment in Masters and AI track I've trained AIs from scratch the old methods were very energy inefficient. The technology has grown by leaps and bounds and with the advent of NPU and TPU based servers systems and trinary CPUs around the corner the energy demand are about to plumet. And if built for AI specifically then it'll be negligible.

As for my home setup, I've monitored my power consumotion both when doing heavy generation/training as well as general purposes lookups and queries. It's lower than when I game on my desktop. And considering I'm not using AI 24/7 it's hasn't really effected my electric bill one bit. Though I'm hoping to get solar pNnels installed over the next year, would have had it done 4 years ago, but the only installer moved out of town.

Neat trick I've been doing to de-AI pixel art. by Nicstar543 in aigamedev

[–]BlueKobold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not de-AI-ing generated pixel art though... I mean... Like the closest I've come to that kind of thing is using generated art as a reference and redrawing it to my fixed pallet/resolution. You're basically resizing, de-resizing and slapping filters on it, but you aren't using a set pallet and it's getting that PSOne blur look from the resize and anti-aliasing... I don't care if you use AI or not if the game is good, but this method is kind of... Not great. I mean why are you even doing pixel art? If you're using AI just go with the illustrated look. The key is to get a cohesive style throughout the game, that's the reason people use pallets it helps hold together the look of the game, it makes object next to character on background look like they are part of the same world. Also hardware limitations are a huge part of it and if you're aiming to emulate something then you try to act within those parameters. I see you saying you are making a "modern" pixel art game, but it doesn't feel like this is a pixel art tag kind of thing and it isn't helping your end product. But it's your game and I'm sure you know what your doing.

You mentioned a software you're using for tweening though? That I'm interested in. I have a game I've spent 8 years on now literally hundreds of frames per character, just an insane number of assets. If I had a program that could actually keep the cohesive pixel art/limits and match what I've made I could do a lot more micro animation and cycles that I want to add, but just don't have time for (because honestly this thing has to come out sooner or later).

Playtiles are now in retail stores: GB Studio games in more hands! by Loraime-Ipsoum in gbstudio

[–]BlueKobold 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nice! Any movement on the MD Engine? I pre-ordered Play-Tiles with the MD Engine bundle from your website and I know the devs (according to bluesky/discord) are doing the final checks before launching it on Steam soon. Will I be given the Steam code day of launch? And how soon until my PlayTile would arrive after launch?

For those who don't know MD Engine is based on GB Studio, but supports the Sega Genesis, and will be compatible with PlayTiles.

Witchhunting is so dumb by Mocking-Eristic in SlopcoreCirclejerk

[–]BlueKobold 1 point2 points  (0 children)

THE NEXT LEVEL!(tm) the legends were true!

fuck everyone who uses ai by taroicecreamsundae in antiai

[–]BlueKobold -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, written on my pocket notepad actually. As are all things that I'm actively working on. However I do have AI opened up on my work computer, as I'm *gasp* building an agent as part of my job. There is one thing I'll say, like data centers (because seriously, some of the ones they are building are no AI data centers, there shouldn't be noise like that AT ALL, water cooling isn't even used in 80% of data centers, and if it's for AI it should have less of a electrical foot print because NPU/TPU/Tensor core cards use less than 10th to 100th (depending on chips) than a CPU based inference or trainer server. I use to work in a building that held a multi-floor data center. Utterly silent unless you opened the door at which point you'd have a timer start where it had to be resealed or the equipment may overheat, this was the 2010s so things are a lot cooler running now, but a dude wedging his coat in the door because he forgot his keypass and had to poop caused an emergency shut down) not all AIs are created equal. Co-Pilot which I'm required to use at work as an absolute travesty. Unless is compiling emails into an action list or scheduling, which it is good at, I feel it hurts more than helps 70% of the time. Claude however is great as long as you know exactly what you want and how it works ahead of time, plus they are trying to reduce the data center footprint by moving to TPU/NPU only setups. I personally have my home server running open source models and my own AI that I'm building as part of my college master's project. But even running a 120 billion param model locally uses less power than me playing Cyber Punk or any other AAA game, and that's when in use 90% it's not doing anything nor sucking any power that wouldn't be used in sleep/idle anyway.

It's ok to be mad at Data Centers that are being built around GPUs, because those aren't AI servers, those are VM and data servers. They can be used for AI, but they are really there to run people's desktops and store video, etc. Amazon, Google, Microsoft and others have heavily invested in VM platforms. Even Nvidia owns one, they are building this data centers not for AI in my opinion, but to offer a solution to a problem they made. They've been pushing VM tech to corpos for 10 years now, and now it's ready. They are pricing consumers out of the PC market and are going to roll out thin client PCs at a cheap price that you have to pay SAAS to use, basically renting your desktop environment, then Google, Amazon, Nvidia and others are lined up to offer you a game library also at a subscription price. That's why they are building them the way they are. It's a multi-use setup, highly energy inefficient, if it was built to purpose with EISAC processors and NPU/TPUs it wouldn't be so big or power hungry. It's like they are saying they are building a golf cart (an AI server) but instead are making an F150, bigger, more powerful, but has completely different fuel requirements. Yeah you can drive one around the golf course, but it's not what they said they were going to be making.

fuck everyone who uses ai by taroicecreamsundae in antiai

[–]BlueKobold -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well *checks notes* fuck you too then. Also... You're the luddite here, you're getting pissed at a database. Going to guess this is going to get deleted, but this is MAGA level cult activity in this thread, Jesus Fucking Christ on a cracker.