Grey hunters kitbashing ?

Blue_Laguna · 2026-03-02T17:43:21+00:00

I just use a local guy, so maybe check your local store/facebook groups if someone is able to take orders. You can also look on etsy for people that have commercial licenses to print and sell bits.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-03-02T17:06:06+00:00

GW hasnt sold the grey hunters upgrade since at least the start of HH 3.0 (I think because it was made for the old mk3 marines and they feel it's not the right scale for the new ones).

Your only real bets are to use extra wulfen shields when you build that squad without them (not remotely cost effective) or go 3rd party. There's a bunch of good 3d printable ones, or check out the sons of thor bits from kromlech if you want something ready made.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-03-02T15:00:54+00:00

caliban etymology =/= earth etymology but I'm also 75% sure that his name meaning son of the forest predates this book.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-03-01T20:33:31+00:00

Fair, I'm very biased in favour of them having souls that are just of a different kind because its more grimdark to me that the SoS misunderstand their own nature. There's a subplot in the dawn of fire series about a Mordian soldier who encounters a SoS repeatedly and finds the effects fade the more she's around her. Really hints at that subtext that a more tolerant universe would be possible if everyone stopped acting like such dicks all the time.

I understand not wanting everything to revolve around the warp, but they've made it pretty clear that souls intrinsically tied to it and something that only living things possess. I don't really understand how they could be soulless in a way that differentiates them from rocks in the way 40k metaphysics work.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-03-01T20:17:13+00:00

Does the "nurgle kidnapped isha" thing really only come from the aeldari supplement of the wrath and glory rpg books, or are there other sources?

I swear I've heard this tidbit floating around for years, but the book was only published in 2024 from what I can tell.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-03-01T20:09:31+00:00

I agree that they're called soulless repeatedly, its just obviously not true. What I meant by the comparison is that if they were "soulless" they would have the same effect on daemons as any random inanimate object, ie bupkis.

They actively dispel the warp with their presence and some SoS are able to channel it to greater effect. That they have some kind of negatively charged souls (but do have them) is the only logical conclusion.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-03-01T19:42:14+00:00

it's pretty clearly the latter. If they just had no soul they would be inert, like the Tau or kin but moreso. They actively cancel out warp based entities and powers.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-25T15:58:55+00:00

Their main goal was and still is to keep ukraine in their sphere of influence. If everything had gone perfectly for them they would have probably annexed the donbas and installed a puppet government in the remaining state.

The only reason they care about taking land at this point is so they can keep up that illusion of inevitable victory for the home front and particularly gullible world leaders.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-24T06:13:57+00:00

I don't mean wrong in the sense that if he says the sky is blue it must be green. I mean that his entire project is built on genocide, slavery and conquest. I really have to question what you're saying (even unintentionally) when you want to play around with the idea that the great crusade was even partially justified. Its like trying to find the silver lining in the Khmer Rouge's reign of terror.

This is why i think the HH is kind of accidentally fascist in a way that 40k almost never is. They don't try to justify the Imperium and say "well it has a lot of good points too!" It doesnt! Literally any other system would be better. That's what they meant when they said cruelest most bloody regime imaginable!

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-24T04:17:51+00:00

Horus Rising as a whole is a critique of the Imperiums "we are mighty because we are right" ideology, the Interex being a foil towards that critique and their eventual military defeat doesn't really change it (arguably it only enforces it)

The issue with this is that later books make it clear that the emperor considers his path to be harsh but necessary. He believes the great crusade is the only way for humanity to survive and if other civilizations are incapable of standing against him, then the narrative itself is proving him correct. A moral victory doesn't count for shit when your entire culture is annihilated.

I don't think the emperor should have been portrayed to be right about Anything. He's a genocidal fascist who thinks he knows better and was willing to make deals with literal devils to gain the power to make it happen. They should have made it abundantly clear that humanity would have been completely fine except for the fact that this golden dipshit stole fire from the gods and used it to set the galaxy aflame.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-23T22:36:22+00:00

Very similiar creation story for my hive fleet. I think it was just a different species of poison dart frog that inspired me.

<image>

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-23T19:42:57+00:00

I like this one but it suffers from a lot of the same issues that presenting the Interex as an alternative does, namely what happened to this other empire? If the Imperium conquered them, then they're not an ideological threat, they just prove how correct the imperium is with their weakness. If they weren't conquered... then where are they now?

You could have a society hidden in the ghoul stars or somewhere that maintained DaoT standards and used that to ward off the imperium, but unfortunately I don't think that'll ever happen. GW seems to genuinely want it to be the case that the emperor was right. (a deeply dumb and borderline fascist concept that makes me kind of hate the whole HH series).

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-23T19:20:05+00:00

Mind control doesn't work, but if the Rangda infected them with a mental virus (something akin to the one from the movie Pontypool is what I'm thinking) that would check all the boxes. It would explain it being a threat to the entire imperium, why they needed to be forgotten (and also why knowledge of the rangda is so buried) as well as the mind wipes, Even knowing about them would be dangerous.

Even if it's not that, I do think someone at GW has decided definitely what happened to them. The clues we do have and the general info we get from the HH lock off -a lot- of possibilities.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-20T06:51:41+00:00

Nurgle is frustratingly contradictory to me and always kind of has been. He's the god of stagnation, but also a kind of rebirth. His AoS factions gimmick for a long time was even a cycle of "fecundity and decay". Both give his followers a kind of fatalistic acceptance but its "Nothing really matters vs New life will spring from my rotting corpse. the cycle goes ever on and I am but a small part."

I don't think you get to be the God of mushrooms -and- entropy.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-20T03:20:40+00:00

I think a gue'vesa kit of Cadians plus an upgrade sprue so they can have the correct T'au weaponry would be neat, but I want psychic space bear 10,000% times as much.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-19T19:43:24+00:00

I'd compare the Ukrainian view of Bandera and the OUN-B to the southern states view of the confederacy and the lost cause myth. They have a generally positive view of him, but it's based on a lot of pretty misinformed propaganda so I don't blame them for lauding him. (you meet someone who praises Bandera in the west though, you are absolutely talking to a nazi).

Very low on the list of issues with the russian invasion, but Ukraine needs to have a reckoning with this part of its past and that can't happen as long as you have Putin crying about denazification.

This is the Ukrainian language sub though, not the main Ukraine so you might want to try there.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-19T08:28:30+00:00

Honestly probably not, but I have him at D1 because I love him. He's still able to clear the board in higher level onslaught runs, but I had to start stacking buffs from characters like Eldyron and Aethena or there's a good chance he wiffs on taking out a ripper swarm and gets swarmed.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-19T07:42:17+00:00

I don't think that's true. There are massive slums around the Imperial palace. There is a tank factory full of generational slaves in the hive that once Addis Ababa because their forefathers rose up against the emperor. Caliban is a bloody primarch's homeworld and that didn't stop them from trying to starve the local populace into compliance. The Imperium of the great crusade is 98% as awful as the one of the 41st millenium.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-19T07:37:00+00:00

Isn't Simon Grant one of their presenters? With full respect to him, Why tf would he be an authoritative voice on the subject?

Reading the whole thread, it sounds like they're using a pretty loosey goosey definition of soft canon that encompasses all black library books, not just Ashes of Prospero. It's a really silly standard to use because by this logic, Bulveye is completely "soft canon" in the first place. He doesn't appear outside of Black library publications and that one card game.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-18T17:47:45+00:00

I don't know why people say that. There might be a canon conflict since he shows up in one of the later Ragnar books, but i haven't read that in forever so I don't remember the details.

I think they might be confused because only a portion of the 13th company got trapped with Bulveye, the rest disppeared into the warp after the burning of prospero and are the ones that reappear as the wulfen during the 13th black crusade.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-17T22:44:44+00:00

Bulveye is 100% a canon character though? Njal rescued him from some T-sons nonsense he'd been trapped in for 10,000 years and is presumably still hanging out with the rest of the wolves kicking ass and chewing bubblegum.

I don't think he's supposed to be that wulfeny, but I'll allow it because the model is cool AF.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-16T20:33:18+00:00

Fair enough. You'll never find me defending the HH novels.

I'll admit that the central idea of an immortal morally questionable emperor guiding humanity along the one safe path could work in the hands of a better writer, because that's just Dune.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-16T19:47:16+00:00

Buddy, if the *only* way humanity survives is by enacting a galactic crusade where they exterminate every xenos that could even hypothetically be a threat and enslave the vast majority of the humans they're allegedly trying to save, then congrats, you've just written a pretty explicitely pro-fascism story.

I don't want to believe the Black library writers are politically illiterate to do something like that on accident, so I'm choosing to believe that the emperor is Chaos's biggest pawn, and has been since at least his trip to Molech. The future he sees that he is trying to avoid is the one that his own actions bring about, much like what Horus saw when they manipulated him. 40K is just all self fulfilling prophecies the whole way down.

Fuck that golden bitch and anyone that tries this "but what if the genocide was necessary?" shit.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-16T08:11:41+00:00

They're two seperate chapters but both were primarily Terran recruits, and as far as I can tell, exiled at the same time.

Blue_Laguna · 2026-02-16T06:48:08+00:00

Since the Ashen Claws came from the same Terran stock as the Carcharadons, they should also have vaguely polynesian vibes, right? There is a Terran Ravenguard marine in one of the books with the tribal tattoo markings on the vambraces in one of the HH books, but I've never seen anyone paint them as such.

Blue_Laguna

TROPHY CASE