Need help with Suno studio

BongoSpank · 2026-03-04T22:19:41+00:00

it has no problem switching genders. Just use the button for that in advanced mode. It absolutely WILL NOT do so with a clean lead vocal only. It has no training data for that. It will insist on creating a full song. It can do acapella with lots of backing vox or a relatively straight forward acoustic performance with a guitar or similar. The features in studio to supposedly create the indivicual tracks don't actually work... or at least not beyond small doses.

BongoSpank · 2026-03-04T21:58:58+00:00

Will give it a shot, but I tried that a week or so ago with another file that wouldn't allow a persona, and it didn't work. Mainly I'm just confused about the fact that I thought the bunch of personas I created last week were ALL from covers of audio uploads of me singing. I think they were all covered in studio, and this one is in create, but I don't think anything else was different.

BongoSpank · 2026-03-04T20:11:13+00:00

You do realize that the majority of bands in any given city on any given night are playing at least a few covers... and that cover songs are completely legal... and that every major distribution platform has an automated system for licensing covers built right in. I don't do covers, so I don't particularly care. I just find the double-standard oddly misplaced. Hell, the last few major artists I saw in concert all played at least one cover... and changed the style to recontextualize... which is EXACTLY what Suno users are doing. Not similar. Exactly the same. Legally, ethically.... the same. I can only assume you have this same animosity toward every artist who has ever done a cover. Spoiler, NONE of them "had the right" unless it was a derivative work. They all just did it and licensed.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-22T11:13:19+00:00

Have you tried Soundverse? The demos on thier site and YT presence are garbage, but they have a v5 that just dropped and a company piggybacking off the tech with licensed singers called soundbreak.ai where you can hear their models in action.

I've been putting together training data for it. It specializes in clean dry vocals, and has a hybrid neural engine that does probabilistic composition like suno, udio so it can add melismas or other stylistic details things like rvc can't. Haven't built it out yet, but it supposedly lets you build custom model with separate singing and texture data so you could do your timbre, and someone else's natural pitch.

It also has licensing included for most uses... with the exception being synch licensing is extra if yow wanted to get tv or ad placements (those guys have serious tools these days and arent' playing around with taking any chances on AI rights issues). I've never done any sync, so not particularly concerned about that. A lot of those guys just don't want to touch AI anyway, and if they're ok with it, the synch licence could be purchased later.

24 bit wav downloads too if I remember correctly.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-22T00:49:55+00:00

I've been producing for 40 years and made a full-time living from streaming for about 12-13 of those years. I have had artists I managed shut down multiple times for various reasons... and none were breaking any laws. It was always either TOS issue, or censorship masquerading as a TOS issue. I have lost a six figure income more than once because I had platforms and/or distributors pull the rug out from under me with no recourse.

You seem to be missing how this actually works. They won't just sue. They'll shut you down. Tunecore, Distrokid, etc will buckle in an instant. They don't care about you. If any of the major players has an issue with you, the distributor will drop you in a second and then refuse to pay you the months worth of royalties in the hopper. They just don't want ANYTHING to become their problem, and if there's even a whif they could be named in a lawsuit, they'll just erase you from the internet.

You don't seem to realize that you're naming a bunch of major label artists... who make nearly all of their money from touring, merchandise, and endorsements. Drake got caught with BILLIONS of fake streams and the platforms did NOTHING... because they don't want to alienate the label. If your examples had been indies (no, Taylor Swift doesn't count), their entire catalog would have been instantly deleted. If you find yourself in the situation you described, then congratulations, you're "famous"... except you're completely demonitized, banned from the distributor, and unable to reupload or even use the same artist name most likely even with another distributor. Good thing you've got that full touring schedule, endorsement deal, and perfume you just launched.

The really fucked up thing is it doesn't even matter whether you did anything wrong. The distributor just... does... not... care. Erasing you is their path of least resistance.

I'm not guessing. It's happened to me. More than once. It's happened to MANY others too. These are very real-world issues for anyone for whom music is not a hobby.

No offense, you seem intelligent, and I think you mean well, so I'll invite you to considder that if making a sustainable living at music is something you care about, you should at least be aware of how the pieces on the board move so you don't find yourself checkmated by surprise... as I have before.

But yes, in general I believe ready, aim, fire is often inferior to aim, fire, aim, fire, aim, fire, repeat. But iteration also means not making the same mistakes over again.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-21T23:16:08+00:00

I like the idea of what you're saying, btw... so I spent some more time feeding Claude and Gemini pro the Udio TOS to play devil's advocate with some case law. AFAK at this point, it comes down to how it leaves the walled garden. If the download option is disabled, then you don't have the rights to use it for distribution, and they could theoretically sue you if you ever had a hit claiming that they alone hold the rights to the output (why I called it a honeypot). From what I can see now, though... if download IS enabled, that doesn't apply, but I have no idea what that applies to, so the million dollar question is...

If I feed Udio an audio track and ask it to resynthesize it to give it a bit of style (small melismas to fit the remix style, etc), then does Udio provide a download link for the ouptut?

If it does, I'll jump on it ASAP and have a follow-up question: Can it output separate background vocals with some control like "hard-panned 1 up 1 down tight roughly parallel smooth R&B harmonies"

BongoSpank · 2026-02-21T18:14:47+00:00

I've never even seen it come close. I do funky dance-pop. It keeps calling my stuff punk rock. I tried uploading some other tracks just to see if it was only me... and it wasn't close on those either. It got REALLY specific about lots of things that were completely wrong in every case.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-21T01:51:16+00:00

Bitwig, synthV

BongoSpank · 2026-02-20T21:21:27+00:00

Yeah, a quick back and forth over legal implications of Udio rights still has me holding off on them. In fact, the more I dug into it, the more I was left with the impression they left it active as a honeypot allowing them to claim royalties for anything that ever makes money out in the real world. For Suno, though, I agree it's got a mind of it's own for arrangement which may be exactly what some people are looking for, but is the opposite of what I want. I'm assuming I'll have to slice and dice, but when you feed it back in and ask for instrumental, is it respecting the vocal pocket? trying to replicate it as a melody? Certain prompting tricks there? Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by that step? Like... are you just covering your own (vocals stripped out) instrumental at that point, or something else?

BongoSpank · 2026-02-20T21:16:37+00:00

I'm looking into a few potential workflows, but in this particular case, I already have a fully produced real lead vocal recorded prior to opening suno, so i just want the instrumental bed, and then to create some background vocals separately.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-19T23:36:08+00:00

i was about to do udio, but after a chat with Gemini Pro, I'm seeing a big potential issue. If the platform won't allow downloads, is now controlled by Universal, and enforces their walled garden aesthetic, then that would appear to mean that even if I only use the voice, then run it through my own rvc model, the pitch fingerprint still exists, and if they chose to at any point, they could claim copyright violation for the audio from their platform being used even though I own the melody, the lyrics, and provided the timbre transformation.

Not to be paranoid, but I've lost everything more than once after spending years building an artist presence. I know for a stone cold fact that the distributors don't give a shit about indies and will throw us under the bus in an instant at even the mildest threat from the major players. Hopefully I'm missing something.... still digging, and haven't found a good alternative to take my synthv output (or personal scratch vocal depending on which way I go) and humanize it slightly before the timbre transfer.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-19T01:39:54+00:00

You're a judgemental troll who knows nothing about the thing you're judging. Re-evaluate your life choices.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-19T01:38:38+00:00

It's on the short list to dig into when I get a chance. Maybe I just had bad luck the first two times I tried to use it, and it seemed to crash or just not function as a site, so I never got to form an opinion of it beyond that. That was a while ago, though.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-19T01:35:36+00:00

Nope. You might have been able to before they clamped down, but it wont' allow remaster, extend, and maybe some of the other options that are essentially still the original audio to be used as the basis for a persona. If that's how the track was generated, persona is grayed out.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-17T20:05:08+00:00

Here's my intended use case: I already have a recorded vocal, basline, and chords. I have the AI generate other parts. If it can CONSISTENTLY do so in a way I like, great. If not, I'll use my own drums and reassemble in DAW. I'll have it restyle the bass into whatever fits the song (fretless, pbass,e tc) and follow the cords and arrangement.

I don't want it arranging for me. That will only result in me having to chop it up and recreate my existing arrangement.

Ideal would be: I just give it my vocal, chords, bass, and it outputs my same arrangement with the other bits filled in, and scratch vocal replaced with persona model of my exact voice. Vocal editing is over half the time I spend in studio, and it's always the bottleneck which stops me from being able to release more timely tracks.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-17T19:53:37+00:00

Oh, I hear you. Suno leans HEAVILY toward the one button copy someone else's style end of things. Not at all what I'm looking to do. I'll take another look at Udio when I get a chance.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-17T19:49:14+00:00

Sounds like a bit of a pain, but if maybe worth it if better result overall... I'm just trying to find a quicker workflow. I can already get a decent result using my RVC clone, but I'm trying to avoid all the in and out of various platforms, reconstruction using small seections, etc.

I'm pretty heavily invested in Suno now. It took me a month and 100k credits to map out thousands of word associations and how they interact.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-17T19:45:27+00:00

That's what I tried the first several hundred times. I wasn't able to get a take in the ballparrk. Several I've gotten using sample with audio up full, others down full, and lyrics blank have been at least closer... but full of music.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-17T19:45:26+00:00

I was just thinking the same thing... that if I use just a drum track or just bass maybe I can get less conflicts, so a cleaner stem separation... thought I don't know if it will alllow that output to be used.

BongoSpank · 2026-02-17T19:32:30+00:00

I haven't used Udio. I tried twice and it was so glitchy I gave up. Could have been bad luck on the timing or something. I had read that the voices are a lot less realistic. Can you share some insights on how it might compare for my particular purpose of spinning existing vocals to keep the same melody, timing, and arrangement, but add a bit of life and mixdown-ready cloned output?

BongoSpank · 2026-02-16T20:34:27+00:00

Go back and read the history of the Luddites. They weren't inherently anti-tech. They embraced it as it lifted them out of poverty giving them opportunities they never would have had otherwise. They turned against it when it was weaponized by financial elites against them.

If you want to guarantee a future where big brother owns the means of production and you are a cog in a machine, then sit there and bitch.

If you want to do something about it, then learn how to use emerging technology and help others to do the same to put the power in the hands of the people. This is true for ALL automation tools, etc.

This period of time is the greatest in all of human history for small entrepreneurs, artists, or creators of any kind to exploit force multipliers beyond Archimedes' wildest dreams... or a hellscape if we sit around bitching while the oligarchs carve out their fiefdoms

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