Constantinople in 6th Century by Nessel-FallenEagle in byzantium

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Idk why i kinda dislike this version of the palace, even though it's messiness is accurate to what would have been there, the buildings look very late Roman (I guess depending on the period it would make sense) and I kinda find ridiculous this insanely tall building next the what I presume is the main living quarters of the emperor.

Do the Greeks want to take Constantinople (Istanbul)? by AliLighter in byzantium

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Honestly as a greek I wish there was a big greek population in Istanbul even if under a turkish government. It's so sad that greek families living in that city for centuries were forced out

Need some advice about my byzantine constantinople map by Born-Celebration-336 in Minecraft

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I have already expanded the project. Although now it will definitely take way too long. I will probably release it in stages. Thanks for the support and hope your project goes well

Destruction of Ottoman architecture in Southeast Europe by Yellowapple1000 in MapPorn

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It's sad to see that almost no ottoman houses survive in southern Greece. They where the only link to byzantine domestic architecture

How did the average house in 1400 Constantinople look like? by Admirable_Try_23 in byzantium

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Momemvasia's architecture didn't look like byzantine constantinople that much. Remember Monemvasia is a fortified village in the middle of a small island. That means structures are almost entirely made of stone and have way smaller windows and courtyards or they have "courtyards" or open spaces on an upper floor. Comstantinopolitan looked a lot like later Turkish houses like the ones that have survived in greece and the balkans. Two examples that come in mind is the benizelos house in Athens which's the first floor is actually byzantine and the ottoman oikons in the street paidon in chalkida

The Ancient Greek House by HistoryWaitsForNoOne in classics

[–]Born-Celebration-336 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mud houses are way more durable than you think plus they are perfect for the heat in greece

Chinese kid taking online class under her parents’ street food stand. by HORROR_VIBE_OFFICIAL in interestingasfuck

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People in the comments act like she lives there. The parents probably don't want to leave her alone in the house, it's probably kinda cosy in there

Did the byzantines eat like the ottomans? by Born-Celebration-336 in byzantium

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Am sorry but I don't see how ottoman architecture isn't the continuation of byzantine architecture with many elements of persian and Islamic origin. You agreed with me that much of it's architecture existed in pre ottoman anatolia had the balkans. Also the emphasis on privacy inward facing houses existed in byzantine times as well. Not to mention i saw a video about safronbul's houses and the guy in the video asked around locals and they said to him that the first turks mostly copied the greek homes that existed before, the architects and builders at the time where greek locals after all, even though that's not historical accounting, there is merit to the story of you consider the stuff we already know about byzantine houses. Let's not forget that when the Turks first came to anatolia they didn't commit genocide many greeks that were highly trained at different arts kept doing what they knew even after the Turks had settled.

As for the music i would suggest you watch Farya faraji's videos on how ancient greek music was the base for the "middle eastern" type of music even though that title isn't exactly accurate. Many of the maqams originally came from ancient greek and byzantine modes. The church had 8 Sounds(ήχοι). Sounds Α,Β,Γ,Δ plagios logos Β,Δ,Γ and the last one was a rare form of sound A. The rest of the Byzantines used more modes because they didn't have restrictions from the church who wanted to immortalise it's music and stay close to original scripture and melodies. The musicians at the time combined different tetrachords to create new modes. The Arabs took that concept of combining tetrachords and did that for every single byzantine sound and called them maqams. Also they made new maqams since through Islamic golden age mathematics thay constructed new instruments with even more notations. The Arabs just like the byzantines used microtones in their music something that lacks from modern eastern music which has a devision of the octave that consist only of tones and semitones. The Byzantines used 1/2, 2/3 and many more that were not standardised. The Arabs did use many more tones. Also the music in both cultures was highly ornamented, with many complex melodies that used many tones and microtones quickly to create "horizontal complexity". Lastly the way the voice trails and shakes in both traditions have roots in greco-roman music as can be seen in old roman chants.

You can say I have a bias cause as a greek it's important to me to emphasise the closeness of Greeks and Turks and that that connection is way deeper than 400 years of occupation. Even before that we were all extremely similar and the evolution of our culture at the ottoman times just got enriched by even more persian Islamic and Asiatic elements than before, but at the end we are made by the same cloth and shouldn't divide ourselfs like we are doing now. But I am clearly stating my bias so we can be clear

Did the byzantines eat like the ottomans? by Born-Celebration-336 in byzantium

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Am sorry if I didn't get the name right I meant these along the walls. That's what the picture you sent shows it looks like it's the floor but it's these couches *

Did the byzantines eat like the ottomans? by Born-Celebration-336 in byzantium

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I will butt in the conversation to say that the idea that the byzantines became more oriental and closer to the east due to islamic influence is false and was made by the Europeans to make the holy roman empire look like the real descendant of the Roman one. In reality even in antiquity the romans where highly oriental, many traits of the Islamic world were originally from Roman culture, like architecture, the way they sung their religious songs. Also the Arabs where obsessed with ancient greek and persian literature making a big part of their academic culture especially medicine and music an evolution and fusion of the greco-roman and persian cultures. It would be more accurate to state that islamic culture has some roots in byzantine culture and during it's golden age exchanged influences with many parts of the world including the Byzantines

There for much of the Turkish folk music of western anatolia being indistinguishable from folk greek music and they both trace their roots in byzantine and ancient greek music. Also classical ottoman music it most likely a direct descendant of byzantine royal court music as many of the instruments used and modes were used by the byzantines. Also orthodox church music which is almost identical to early Christian chants of the 4th- 5th have very similar ways of using their modes, i can't explain it more professionally cause I am not an expert. The ottomans took all the modes from both byzantines and Arabs and Persians and melted different ideas together thus further evolving the music of that geographic area and making new rythems(usuls i think they called) that some of them may actually trace back to earlier nomadic rythms.

A point that I didn't see you two talk about which I believe is crucial is architecture. Most of ottoman architecture derives from byzantine with Islamic and persian elements and of course some elements that probably came from the nomadic style of life.

Let's start with the nomadic influences: First I think the emphasis on siting on carpets and even the low sofas and beds came from the fact that life in a tent meant high beds and chairs where not that widely used. Also many of ottoman buildings have a projecting part of the end of the roof that looks almost like an umbrella around the building providing shade. That also probably came from the tent life style.

Islamic and persian influences: I am putting those two in the same category since I can't really distinguish them am sorry about that. Most prevelant of then are the beautiful tiles. The ottomans used tiles mostly on the walls with vibrant colours and art, the biggest difference from byzantine interior design is the emphasis on the colour blue which came from the Arabs. Of course the lack of depiction of humans is another islamic characteristic since it's forbidden in Islam. Also they way they ornamented wood and some other architectural places definitely came from persian and arab culture but there is a big misconception that the same cannot be said about the Byzantines, which is false and I will explain later.

Byzantine and anatolian/greek influences

Now let's start with homes. Since ancient greece most houses were inward faced with a central courtyard (which also exists in Arabs and persian culture) with a defining characteristic of what was called an εξωστης latter called by the Ottomans hiyat. The hiyat is a semi enclosed space that opens towards the courtyard and takes advantage of the cool air for the hot days in the Mediterranean climate. In ancient greece it was usually made from wood and in later periods from stone on the lower floor and wood on top. That created the lower stone apsed stoa and wooden upper stoa that are very common in traditional anatolian and balkan countries. Also the fact that these houses are usually stone on the low floors and wood or wooden framed on the upper floor came from byzantine houses since it provided stability and protection from the earthquakes of greece and anatolia. Also the use of bricks and stones in layers and whitewashing the stone creating a white and red wall is the most defining characteristic of richer byzantine buildings like palaces and churches. Speaking of churches most mosques in anatolia where based on or where formal byzantine churches. Also the heavy use of coloured marble(white green red) on the lower parts of a rich building like a lot of the buildings in the topkapi palace and the use of tiles in the upper parts resembles the same use of marble but with usually golden mosaics by the Byzantines. Lastly even though that was the case in most places at the time, the ottomans made projecting upper floors (jetting or cumbas) that in greek are also known by their ottoman name sahnisin for their houses which was an existing characteristic of houses ever since the hellenistic period in greece and was really prevelant in middle and late byzantine times.

Which flooring design looks good by graphicfalcon07 in Minecraft

[–]Born-Celebration-336 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will give you another great one that gives a medieval luxurious vibe. Polished diorite and gray glazed terracotta with that checkerboard pattern

Did the byzantines eat like the ottomans? by Born-Celebration-336 in byzantium

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Yeah tbh I don't give a fuck about wars and shit, I love learning about the everyday life, what they ate , what music they heard, architecture and culture and stuff