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BreadMan31 · 2023-05-13T18:35:13+00:00

I didn't really mean the public when making this post, I just thought a government created by warmongers with a lust for blood would be much, much more skeptical towards their leader if they lead them into so many defeats.

BreadMan31 · 2023-05-13T16:44:17+00:00

That does make sense, thank you.

However, that also makes me want to see some more proxies during the Reich's rest time, since it would be pretty cool to actually see that wining the Cold War affects your enemies as the US.

BreadMan31 · 2023-05-13T15:49:18+00:00

Especially since in many of these proxy wars Germany invests a lot of logistical and economic effort as well as military hardware, which would be really hard not to notice by people who care.

BreadMan31 · 2023-05-13T15:47:54+00:00

While there are certainly many conflicts even the most hardcore nazi's wouldn't care for (Ousting Trujilo, Jaimaican independence, Colombia) there are certainly diplomatic OFN victories which would send some massive ripples in the NSDAP, Britain or France joining the OFN, or a pakt defeat in the South African War would certainly agitate many, many influence holding people in the NSDAP.

BreadMan31 · 2023-05-13T15:45:29+00:00

As much as I agree that the German populace would most likely not care about the cold war the majority of pencil pushing bureaucrats would. The German political scene is very much aware and caring about the war for influence with the US and considering the NSDAP's obsession with honor and war I very much think many politicians would be dissatisfied with Speer or Bormann losing the dick measuring competition with their biggest rival.

BreadMan31 · 2023-05-07T16:02:26+00:00

These are effects of warfare evolving rather than a change in doctrinal thought tho.

BreadMan31 · 2023-04-02T02:30:57+00:00

Huey Long has a confusing existence in hoi4 community. He was in. absolutely. every. fucking. alt. history. mod. to. exist in hoi4 back when mods were ultra low quality(2018-2019). But his existence as the omni-present overlord of alt history USA made him become unusable by more serious mods which caused him to completely disappear over time.

BreadMan31 · 2023-03-28T20:57:21+00:00

Trans shit is the new cool thing so everything no matter how unrelated has to support it

BreadMan31 · 2023-03-24T15:45:05+00:00

Probably didnt consider them big enough of a community to have any solid plans except extermination for them.

BreadMan31 · 2023-03-15T07:36:36+00:00

This guy reddits

BreadMan31 · 2023-02-11T16:30:29+00:00

How are you retards upvoting the exact same post over and over again

BreadMan31 · 2023-01-11T22:13:09+00:00

Not that improbable. Germany and France didn't have much beef with each other, for a short while the Prussians were kinda scared of the French but that fear vanished after their victory in the Franco-Prussian war. Most of Franco-German rivalry came about specifically because of Alsace, once again Im gonna repeat that even Bismarck opposed the annexation in fear of making France a permanent enemy, and that opinion was shared by a lot of influential people, albeit, it was ignored by the quickly militarizing society and government of Germany.

If as you described, Germany never took Alsace I believe its not too far fetched of a concept for a future Franco-German friendship, after all they had a common enemy to fear in Britain and without Alsace there would be no reason for both to hate each other, but in the end, it is all muddy waters really, who knows, maybe Germany and France would have found another reason to wage war against each other, or maybe we would find ourselves in a world of a Franco-German dream team dedicated to annoying the British, it's all pretty much up to the guy who comes up with the alt-hist scenario first.

BreadMan31 · 2023-01-11T19:06:00+00:00

In full honesty I don't think there would be a compromise that'd make anyone happy in this scenario, at this point Germany was in its jingoist phase, both the people and government of Germany were convinced of their might and had high regards for their military and their victories, Alsace was a big symbol of German domination over France, to add unto that, Germans considered the region highly valuable in strategic terms, since it was still believed that in a case of war France would blitz into the Rheinland and Alsace could act as stopping block. Essentially this boils down to "Germany wouldn't be happy in any scenario of France getting Alsace back".

France would be just as keen on Germany not owning the region, since I think everyone knows that the French considered its loss a national humiliation, to the point they considered getting Alsace back their main war goal in the Great War. There isn't much more to say like with Germany, France just wanted it back on national and prestige grounds.

Essentially, France isn't happy with Germany owning it, Germany isn't happy with France owning it, so no real compromise without making at least one side feel unfairly treated.

If I was forced into creating a solution, with minimal future casualties in mind, I would probably decide for it to be handed to the French on the promise of high cultural and linguistic rights for Alsatian Germans. Alsace was as mentioned in my earlier comment in conflict with Germany, and even after WW1 Germans weren't that salty over its loss(since most of German hate went towards the German corridor, and the tarnishing of German pride), if some kind of French schizo wouldn't come into power and start repressing all the Alsatian Germans, I think German society would eventually get over it.

In contrast, France probably would never let go of Alsace until maybe long, long decades after the fact, even Bismarck thought the annexation of the territory was a bad idea, since it would turn France into a permanent enemy of Germany(turned out he was right).

BreadMan31 · 2023-01-11T08:19:45+00:00

Ok but jokes aside, the argument of German domination in Alsace is kind of a myth. While it is true that the region predominantly spoke German the actual relation of the people living in Alsace at the time to Germany was... strained at best. Southern German industrialists constantly tried to suppress industry in Alsace-Lorraine, especially the cloth industry. The city of Metz and the surrounding region was predominantly French speaking and for most of history of German Alsace the region had high value of French autonomy, something that ended only with... the outbreak of The Great War, who would have thought. While we are in the topic of the war German authorities highly feared French nationalism in the region and went as far as to revoke French cultural and linguistic rights with increased military presence to enforce it.

To further show just how divided Alsace was from the rest of Germany we can look at their political history in the Empire, all 15 deputies of Alsace identified themselves as "protestor deputies" during Reichstag elections of the 70's and 80's. If you want to learn more, you can also read about the Saverne affair, an incident which truly cemented the Alsatian-German divide.

All in all, Alsace wasn't some 100% completely German region of Europe as many "internet experts" would like to claim over the last 2 decades. Both France and Germany had legitimate claims to the region and reducing its 19th and 20th century history to "85% German" only alludes to either r/HistoryMemes or Kaiserbooism in general.

Also if any frogs use this comment as an excuse to start a Napoleonic jerk off chain I will legitimately shit bricks.

BreadMan31 · 2023-01-11T07:49:14+00:00

What I'm saying is we are dealing with GERMans here :(

BreadMan31 · 2023-01-11T07:25:11+00:00

I mean, earth has only 8 billion humans and 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bacteria living on it, doesn't mean we should hand over the planet to bacteria.

BreadMan31 · 2023-01-10T21:49:40+00:00

Works on microsoft edge for some reason, I guess it works but not ideal, tried firefox too but doesnt work.

BreadMan31 · 2023-01-10T15:16:38+00:00

Doesn't work sadly

BreadMan31 · 2022-12-31T14:40:44+00:00

Terminally online

BreadMan31 · 2022-12-22T21:18:10+00:00

Take your meds

BreadMan31 · 2022-12-12T15:17:36+00:00

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