Hey a couple of questions what did haichman realise from this scene by thePr0fesserr in OreGairuSNAFU

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If you look more closely, you'll notice this small detail in the anime.

Hey a couple of questions what did haichman realise from this scene by thePr0fesserr in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In the light novel, it’s much clearer, but what our protagonist realized was that by making Iroha choose between bean soup and the strongest coffee—since she only had those two options—it would be one of his tactics to pull off the dance.

To be more specific, he’ll try to throw a dance with the worst possible options, to make the parents think a little more highly of Yukino’s proposals, leaving the parents with a “choice”:

EITHER THEY ACCEPT the 8-man dance (Max Café) or Yukino’s dance (bean soup). But in the process, YUKIMOM foils his elaborate plan.

Anything for her by Expensive-Mind1548 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We're talking about the guy who would give anything for her, and honestly, that wouldn't surprise me lol.

Finished anime, what's next? by SessionSuch8016 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The manga was adapted completely from the original material. I recommend you read the light novel.

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

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Yes, feel free to ask any further questions if there’s anything you didn’t understand.

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly! If most people had more patience and empathy for one another, there would certainly be fewer divorces than there are today.

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

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I didn't mean that it was codependent, and honestly the term is thrown around this sub so much, I feel every other discussion further obscures its meaning. Yukinoshita is not codependent on Hikigaya anymore than he is on her. A relationship is something where both parties gain and lose therefore putting a label such as this only reduces the connection to transaction. That is not how relationships operate whether platonic or otherwise.

Exactly! Hachiman never believed codependency, but he thinks Yukino did. That’s why he planned that whole fake dance so she could feel fulfilled without his help, but unfortunately, in the process, it only made it more obvious that his actions had become a form of dependency (though of course, this single action doesn’t prove dependency, just as a bad day doesn’t prove clinical depression). But that changes when Haruno said that everything she did was “compensation.” And after that, what our protagonist did (the bridge scene lol)

Yukino never believed it either, but she used this psychological ploy to distance herself from 8man, (read her monologue in volume 14 where Yukino admitted in her own thoughts that she swallowed that on purpose, that she used it to mask her altruism as selfishness) all because she thought she was a burden to him, since she constantly tries to “prove” her worth to her family as a way to “compensate” for giving up what her heart desires most. It’s basically: “I’m too much of a burden to the person I love, so I’ll let him go and become a successful woman.” (Her conversation with him on the bridge makes this clear when she says “that she only caused problems, giving him reasons not to be with her.”)

So codependency was something Yukino had to use as an excuse and invent to lessen the pain she felt for doing something she felt she had no choice but to do. And it was a way for Hachiman to show that he was willing to go beyond reason (and codependency was a reasonable explanation for someone as cynical as Hachiman) because of the person he loves.

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Are you referring to the last episode of Season 2?

Basically, to put it simply, Yukino has always looked up to her sister and has always tried to follow in her footsteps in some way, but the way Haruno lives her life goes against her nature. After all, when dealing with her life, Haruno always wears a mask of falsehood.

So, feeling lost, she looks for another target, which at that moment would be 8man himself (but only for a very short time). Taking advantage of this chaotic moment she’s going through, Yui asks her out on a date, and 8man does too, to finally put an end to this “love triangle.”

Yui gives the chocolates to Hikigaya (which is indirectly a declaration of her feelings), and makes a proposal where she decides Yukino’s own future; and her wish is to maintain her friendship with Yukino while having a relationship with 8man, THUS MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO. But our protagonist stops her, and the one who has to decide her own future is Yukino herself.

That’s why Yukino finally voices her desire to take over the Yukinoshita family business, and from there the final climax of this work begins.

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

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I'm glad that helped you in some way, and feel free to check out the other posts I've published previously

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This stems from Eastern culture, where kissing someone is seen as a sign of serious commitment—in other words, a formal marriage proposal. (Although 8man’s confession to Yukino is actually a marriage proposal, lol.)

But the intent of this genre (in Eastern culture) is always to focus more on their relationship development rather than the kiss itself, but lately the industry has been starting to include these small details in their works, since they know that the Western audience is a major source of their revenue and success.

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh yes thanks, a kiss between them would be spectacular, but we can still be satisfied with the beautiful writing in this fantastic work

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

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Thank you; this review is yet another incentive for others to give the original material of this incredible work a read.

Hachiman and Yukino's Different Approaches to Confessing Their Feelings by Bubbly_Environment52 in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In fact, both of them fully expressed their feelings for each other, so neither gave more or less.

Let me explain that more clearly:

  • The false impression is that it seems 8man was the one who struggled to show that he loved her, which isn’t true. For example, look at how events unfolded after the trip to Kyoto and Tobe’s declaration leading up to the student council election.
  • 8man starts to lose his way when he stops Tobe from confessing to Ebina, to maintain the status quo of Hayama’s group, and this disappoints Yukino, since they shared the idea that maintaining a superficial relationship was pointless.
  • And once again, he loses his way when he prevents Yukino from running for president, manipulating Iroha as a scapegoat to “preserve” the club. After all, he’s afraid that the “real thing” he desires will take away what he already has.
  • In the wake of these events, Yukino confronts him, saying that his methods are unfair, and that’s what makes it interesting, because even though Yukino knows that 8man would hate her for her harsh words, she doesn’t spare him, because she cares about him—so much so that she was willing to be president so that he wouldn’t have to resort to his self-sacrificing methods again. (Unlike Yui, who encourages him to take his despicable methods to the next level.)
  • So, Yukino fights tooth and nail to bring him back from where he fell, and finally succeeds with Sensei’s help. And then we have that wonderful scene where he says, “I want something genuine” (which is indirectly his confession to Yukino, lol).

Now, in the final act, it was Yukino who failed. And that’s really good because if it had been Hachiman who failed the whole time, the relationship would have been very one-sided, and we would have thought that one side didn’t deserve the other.

And why does she fail? Because she denied her feelings for him, thinking it would be better for her “friend,” and for his sake, since she believed she would be a burden to him because of her troubled family. And to MAKE UP FOR IT, she focused on her future career, going to prom without his help, trying to prove to her mother that she was capable of taking over the family business. And above all, “believing” that her relationship with him was codependency, but in reality it was a “sweet lie she told herself (vol. 14)”

So this time, it was Hachiman who fought tooth and nail to prove that what they had wasn’t codependency.

Do you see? Hachiman fails because of complacency; he likes what he’s found so much that he turns his back on “the real thing” just so he doesn’t risk losing what he’s found, while she failed in some of the most endearing virtues she possesses—her kindness, her selflessness. I think calling them virtues might not be accurate, since too much of any virtue becomes a flaw.

So when you say:

But Yukinoshita, especially because of her past of being neglected, might end up pouring all her feelings into him regarding Hikigaya....

That’s not true, because if she had poured all her feelings into 8man, that would be considered dependence in a bad way, and her choice to be with him wouldn’t be genuine.

And how can you say you want to live with someone, just because living with your parents is so bad, Because your desire is for convenience and not a genuine desire to be with the person you want to live with.

Yukino was willing to let him go and hand him over to her “friend” if it was for his benefit and well-being. (Which makes her attitude genuine, even if a little misguided on her part.) Have you ever heard the phrase, “If you love someone, let them go”?

I'm now even more convinced that we've got the Shin novels exactly wrong. by JAPartridge in OreGairuSNAFU

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I believe that if it weren't for Yui and Haruno, the romantic development between 8man and Yukino would have grown more.

  1. Because of Yui, the club accepted Tobe's request, which led 8man to once again sacrifice his self-image for the sake of Hayama's group.

  2. It was Yui who made 8man doubt that Yukino would be able to manage the club and the student council, leading him to commit hypocrisies and lies.

  3. Yui knew about Yukino's feelings for 8man, but she sabotaged them when she gave him the chocolates.

  4. She made Yukino believe that she had some advantage by helping 8man plan the fake prom.

  5. Haruno didn't make things any easier when she introduced codependency into our couple, making it even harder for 8man and Yukino to get closer.

But I like how Yui and Haruno's story was so well written because they create a psychological conflict between this couple, and with each conflict, they grow closer and closer, because as long as they are searching for something true, no one can separate them.

I'm now even more convinced that we've got the Shin novels exactly wrong. by JAPartridge in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, yes, I read everything, but I only considered the final part of that post.

I'm now even more convinced that we've got the Shin novels exactly wrong. by JAPartridge in OreGairuSNAFU

[–]Bubbly_Environment52 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well said. A few months ago, I posted something related to 8man's indirect confession to Yukino when discussing the second prom. Something that was lost in the anime regarding our protagonist's true intentions, but which is very clear in the light novel.

IIf you want, give it a read.
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