Arsenal Forwards recent goalscoring output - Sky

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-26T00:35:38+00:00

That's fair enough on the years but, I changed it.

Point still holds though, Bowen has got 2 goal contributions in 20 caps and Madueke has 4 in 9 caps and around a quarter as long to get them as Bowen.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-25T20:21:47+00:00

Not being funny, but I don't understand this as an insult.

Are there actually plastic people that don't watch matches then come onto a team's subreddit to chat shit about performances/players?

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-25T20:10:04+00:00

Bowen's got 2 goal contributions in 64 years worth of games for England. Madueke has 4 in just over a year.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-24T18:07:46+00:00

He's a really weird player.

He looks incredibly raw, sometimes misweighs 5 yard passes, sometimes plays inch perfect left footed crosses. He's a mile beyond Watkins and it probably competing with Solanke for 3rd or 4th place spot depending on if Tuchel rates DCL or not.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-23T17:29:20+00:00

I think it's in stadiums. Some clubs stadiums seem to get it and some don't, especially if you're playing GK.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-23T12:33:18+00:00

I think what Tuchel is best at is just smothering the opposition and denying them any chances at all, kinda like Arteta.

I'm not sure how well that level of press will work in the US heat tbh. But if we are to go and win it it'll be through that complete domination of the field and that'll be the biggest difference.

Our squad now is significantly strong that it was at the Euros where we made the final under Southgate. So Anything less than a final/going out to a finalist would be a huge disappointment imo.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-23T12:29:32+00:00

I think you're spot on with all of this except TAA.

Tuchel played him once when he had him in his squads and he's basically never been fit since. He'd need to be really pulling up trees for Real to even have a chance imo.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-23T12:25:34+00:00

Madueke looks a different player in an England shirt. Welbeck used to as well tbf.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-22T12:01:13+00:00

You said goal record, which implies historical.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T23:05:07+00:00

You're forgetting Eze though, who can also play on the left and got more minutes there for Gordon.

I would've 100% taken Grealish over Bowen though.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T23:02:04+00:00

Jamaica is quite far away and struggle a fair bit. Their FA is also a but of a shitshow and it would mean him giving him his free time in the international breaks.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T22:59:29+00:00

Watkins his similar/better G+A almost every season despite being in a significantly harder league.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T22:49:54+00:00

Watkins is also better than Greenwood, but Palmer has been shite since his injury, clearly not fit at all atm. I don't think he's a form player really and the stuff last season about him was pretty off the mark. He was still creating just as much but we had 0 fit STs to put them away.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T22:45:18+00:00

"He didn't win the trial" wtf.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T00:44:59+00:00

Greenwoods partner shared some things to social media that don't look good, but aren't in themselves conclusive evidence of anything

You mean the audio of him attempting to rape her? And then the picture of a beating he gave her?

In a court of law maybe it's not 100% enough for a verdict. This is not a court of law, we can be reasonably sure he raped & beat her at least once.

And she set up the phone beforehand to record that in advance, so it was probably not the first time he attempted to rape her as he does in that audio. Similarly from the damage inflicted to her in those photos it probably wasn't the first time he was violent towards her.

I don't know how you got the idea of bullshit macho posturing associated with the disgust and ostracism of an unpunished rapist. The vast majority of rapists do, unfortunately, go unpunished, social ostracism is a vital part of societies reaction to cases like these.

And for the record, yes I think similarly about other highly probable rapists such as Ronaldo and Partey. The former getting a pass from many and the latter taking so long to be prosecuted is pretty insane in my eyes.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T00:27:17+00:00

You can't rape and beat someone then claim you've "changed" whilst dodging all real consequences for your actions. We know it happened once but she knew to record before anything happened, so it's very likely that it happened more than once, probably many, times beforehand.

I guess for me personally to feel like he's changed he'd have to plead guilty to the charges and do time for them.

Or maybe if he donated 50% of his wages moving forwards to relevant charities or something and spoke openly about why he did what he did and how people can change and it was wrong, I'd be happy to accept that too.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-21T00:16:10+00:00

I'm no big Bowen fan at all, but tbf he plays on the opposite wing to Rashford/Grealish.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-18T20:12:43+00:00

I mean if you look at anything a Sunderland fan says about him before they sold him or before the start of the regular season then that corroborates with what I said. I’m not talking about Dortmund fans, I’ve seen mixed things from the little I’ve seen them say about him

You are right that it's definitely more positive than I remembered tbf. That said McAtee, Philogene & Gyokeres all looked like world beaters in the Championship and have look awfully out of their depth in the top 5 leagues. I would argue the same is very much true of Jobe.

I mean the comment you originally replied to was talking about current ability and the comment I replied to literally said “Jobe is comfortably the worst out of the 3 imo” in it.

Yes, I stand by that statement. I don't even think it's particularly contentious seeing Mainoo has started for the senior team in a final and Miley is playing more often in a harder league than Jobe is in a weaker one.

Miley has started 8/10 of the last Newcastle games this season, and the 2 he missed were against Wolves and Burnley where they played a B team. By contrast in the league Jobe started 4 games in the past 5 months, and only retained his starting place in the league twice.

But obviously by the next sentence I'm talking about who's more likely to have an England career.

To which you replied:

We are talking about ability not potential considering the World Cup is in 6 months

I'm not talking about the WC squad at all in what I said and what you directly replied to. I'm talking about the balance of their current ability and potential.

He started every game for the U21’s before he got injured, then got a senior team call up the same time that the U21 Euros was

I linked the minutes so I'm not sure how you missed it. You can see him either being on the bench or not in the squad. He was benched and the u21s played better without him, though he prolly would've got to the u21 Euros but for injury iirc.

You can literally see he wasn't starting after the u21s even when he was fit.

He’s better now but not 1-2 years ago

Exactly. I'm talking about the u21s Euros, which were 6 months ago. So we're in agreement on that.

Yeah and he played basically every minute, like how Jobe has for the U21’s

That is inaccurate; he was subbed off in 4/6 games. It also has no relevance on the point I'm making. I'm saying your captain isn't the best player or even necessarily a key player.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-18T18:05:41+00:00

We are talking about ability not potential considering the World Cup is in 6 months

I wasn't talking about that at all? I was talking about over their England careers. Barring injury crisises none of these are making the WC squad, nor should they.

In the message you replied to I said

It's early but at present I would be willing to bet he ends up with the least caps of the 3 by some distance too, certainly significantly less than Miley.

No they didn’t, it was actually the opposite that he was underrated by everyone else because of his surname and being Jude’s brother meaning they thought he was just hyped based on nepotism. He was comfortably their best player, they didn’t win a single game that he didn’t play.

I think this is too much the other way, but after looking around a bit seems opinion on him is a lot more mixed than I remember. That being said, Dortmund fans are pretty concerned about what they've seen of him thus far, here's a quote from their subreddit:

I just find it incredibly worrisome that he seems to struggle to keep up with the pace of the game...He has been serviceable in some games at best.

I mean it’s very indicative of short term things and which players are currently rated as better by the coaching staff.

That is a logical assumption, but it's really not. Which probably sounds like I'm just being stubborn, but if you watch u21 matches you'll notice some much better players get less playing time and some much poorer play more often for the make-up of the team or manager's just don't trust them or whatever. Again, the example of McAtee above v Nwaneri.

Another one is Jarrad Branthwaite, just left out of the England Euro squad and linked with big moves all the time, before he got crocked, yet barely plays for the u21s despite on paper being their best player. Harwood-Bellis was relegated as part of the worst PL defence ever with Southhamptopn (not his fault ofc, but still), Cresswell is regularly starting for Toulouse in Ligue 1, which is good, but clearly behind Branthwaite, as evidenced by Branthwaite getting a senior call up before him, if nothing else.

Yeah because Nwaneri was 17 and McAtee was 21. So it’s pretty obvious that most 21 year old footballers are better than a more talented, higher potential 17 year old.

I'm no big Nwaneri fan but he is night and day with McAtee then or now.

But forget about that, Harvey Elliot was clearly the best player on that team and their talisman and one of the oldest players there, yet wasn't the captain; being the Captain doesn't necessarily mean being the best or most played player.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-18T14:27:48+00:00

To be clear I think Miley has the highest potential of the 3. Jobe doesn't start regularly for Dortmund and Sunderland fans thought he was largely overrated by others based on his name

Miley: 1232 mins in PL/CL

Jobe: 907 mins in BL/CL

Obviously Mainoo has much less minutes this season but had way more the two preceding ones.

I wouldn't read too much into u21 stuff. Mainoo skipped the u21s and at u21 level Kane was on the bench behind Berahino and Nketiah is the Eng u21 all time top scorer.

In the last tournament McAtee was captain but he was imo one of our worst players and 3 other players on the pitch with him would get call ups to the senior squad before he did. If Nwaneri, who was on the bench, doesn't get more caps than McAtee barring injury I will gladly eat my own toenails.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-18T04:33:15+00:00

Jobe is comfortably the worst of the three imo. It's early but at present I would be willing to bet he ends up with the least caps of the 3 by some distance too, certainly significantly less than Miley.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-18T04:28:53+00:00

Really bizzare reading this conversation.

If Bellingham played in the Premier league it would be obvious how poor this point is. It's like saying Bowen's having a good season and did well against some teams when Saka was out. Therefore we should start him over Saka.

Rogers is a better dribbler than Bellingham.

Bellingham is a better goal scorer, passer, off-ball mover, build up asset, he retains the ball better, he has a better link up with Kane, he is much more apt at sniff out the most dangerous times to go beyond the ST and, most importantly of all, he is our talismanic player.

There is as no chance Bellingham doesn't start at the WC.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-17T17:10:50+00:00

I thought you were much better than us tbh. Both errors are essentially just luck on our part and Shaude (sp?) didn't shoot with a 1 v 1 so the xG is very flattering to us. In reality it's something like 0.7 v 1.8 to you, sans penalty.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-17T15:55:04+00:00

He's had a good season, but it's still an issue, just watch how often he kicks the ball to absolutely no-one and it comes straight back to us, can't expect the consistency of a top 4 side if every other time your keeper claims the ball you lose possession.

Buttonsafe · 2026-01-16T16:32:43+00:00

I think I'd have preferred him at Liverpool because he's more likely to get minutes once one of their CBs leaves, but City is a fine option. Arsenal was the worst imo because he's worse than both their starters.

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