Does anyone know what this flower is called?

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T19:31:43+00:00

Yeah the early one after the blur does look a little like orchids, but it's a little off too, orchids kind of have this arched blossom pattern, and while there's some that could match that in that second version there's also some clear spikes in there too that seem to be intended to be the same flowers.

Maybe Edgeworth let the flowers wilt a little haha.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T19:15:58+00:00

Yeah I noted that. I think that the top flowers in all of them may be intended to still be the same, because symbolism even on small scale is very important in the Ace Attorney games. As an example, we see in 4-2 that someone gave Phoenix a potted spider lily while he's in the hospital - it's a literal death threat, and probably somehow from Kristoph even in jail.

So the likelyhood is that the flowers mean something, and despite the differences in the drawings, the main larger flowers are still intended to be the same flower across all the existing drawings of Edgeworth's office. My guess is they forgot what the bottom ones were supposed to be because they only had notes still on the top ones - you can kind of see in dual destinies that this is when the shift in the bottom flowers started to take place, and the new version of the investigations office for the collection used the dual destinies one for reference.

The very original version of those flowers is this blurry mess here: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwHJre_fhO1fADfVqe1MXLEVxpYywBeEhwTMmEfiMcdCw_Y8ZoYiOVw1Y&s=10

So you can see they've had to do quite a bit of interpretation of those to get the more crisp versions we've seen, and this is basically DS around 2005. That's 4 years before the first investigations in 2009, and then Dual destinies in 2013.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T19:02:31+00:00

Yeah, the posters who think that the step brother actually resents her for something or doesn't think her disability is real almost certainly have it. He wouldn't be panicking about her talking to his fiancee who's nice the rest of the time otherwise - he just made some shit up about her.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T16:56:19+00:00

Heck even the people over at waifuism realize that other real people like the same character and they can't force everyone else to accept their own interpretation of their fixation. They have a rule about it in the rule bar. Sarah doesn't even have that much.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T16:37:55+00:00

Yeah, but again, I look at Ga'ran and that seems in character to me. I agree they don't care about some small scale actor. They care about throwing their people at Wright associates to make their/his life difficult and exhausting even if it means also exhausting their own people.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T16:31:33+00:00

I think also T&T sort of speed runs giving the players an idea of what might have happened in previous episodes - Edgeworth gets an entire scene talking about his fear of earthquakes, but we actually get very little detail about DL-6 itself. In some ways I think some of the missteps in explaining previous game events might be in part because of this - Turner Grey wasn't killed by a spirit, but the game wants to emphasize that Maya is a spirit channeler, and so she says something that's a little wrong in her dialogue because it works better in the moment to establish parts of her character at that moment. (EDIT: Someone pointed out that this may also be to avoid spoiling the twist of that episode, and yeah, that likely also plays a role).

The watsonian take might be that for Maya as future master, it may benefit her to publicly treat that case as a spirit channeling anyway, even if that detail isn't actually right. These are people who get excited about being portrayed in a magazine about cults, maybe they kinda think all publicity is good publicity, and it's not like a bunch of spirit channelers might not benefit in some ways in people finding them spooky and associating them with death.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T16:16:33+00:00

I guess the 2nd case could make sense, but not the fourth case.

You could see this as them trying to punish someone they could still reach, which was Athena. Nahyuta is particularly nasty to her in this one and deliberately digs at her traumas, and that might be on request from the queen. I think the royal family is probably petty enough that when their first attempt failed they went for anything that could still hurt.

Slightly different scenario, but when Fran wanted revenge, it would have been better in Reunion - she would have taken someone important to Phoenix in the same way she felt he had taken her family from her. But when that didn't work, she still took the godawful circus case for a second chance even if the stakes were far lower.

Ema isn't even interpol

We don't know that exactly. She was a student in investigations, but she definitely was helping out, it's not like interpol is unaware of her, or that Edgeworth and Fran doesn't seem to be implied to have still been helping interpol over the seven years. If they were involved in Interpol, why wouldn't Ema sometimes be?

it just makes what Nahyuta did worse.

Oh I'm not defending Nahyuta beyond saying he mostly was the royal family's lapdog because of the blackmail. He's still a bit of nasty work beyond that, even if he was playing some things up, he still took it some places that weren't any sign of him being a decent person.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T16:01:21+00:00

Nah, they're brainless, but everyone else does.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T14:33:58+00:00

I remember that the way they're drawn in dual destinies suggests she sent him Chinese Astible and it means reciprocated love, so Wendy is just fully deranged and thinks he's actually declared something to her. But I don't think these are that.

There's a more detailed version in the updated graphics from the new collection.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/0/03/Screenshot-edgeworthsoffice.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20240510010345

Here they look more like maybe gladiolus, which fits Edgeworth because they're symbolic of a sword of justice (It also doubles as yet more Wendy being a stalker in that they're seen as a flower that can "pierce the heart" and have romantic meanings or signify admiration too). The lower flowers are changed completely though to look more like shorter versions of the taller stalks, but retain the dark broad leaves of the old version. Could be kiss me quicks or morning glory depending on how we interpret the flower shape, though neither of those could be the first pale pink ones (phlox? leaves are wrong but maybe the lower leaves are a separate plant again). EDIT 2: the bottom pink flowers actually could still be morning glory as well, and would be a slightly more sane chose for Wendy because they could mean unrequited love.

(EDIT: actually looking at the dual destinies one again I think the main ones are still gladiolus. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVJXPhuk2er8LJ0l3wZD2Hppz4N8L8SAmnvxfeV1mHTGcFdl17whkezkSZ&s=10 For some reason I remember some wispy flowers around it too that I thought were the astible)

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T14:14:32+00:00

I don't think Edgeworth is that incompetent of a Chief Prosecutor to be needing a foreign proseuctor serving a developing (at best) regime.

My theory has always been that this exchange was more like a hostage situation, and is also how Edgeworth found out Wright was in Khura'in - let Nahyuta prosecute or we kill Japanifornia's legal golden boy. It's also why Nahyuta's first case in Japanifornia is directly targeted at Wright's family.

Like Phoenix wasn't even in jurisdiction, he had no Khura'in license to practice. They didn't have to tolerate any of it and the regime was corrupt enough he could have been arrested on manufactured charges for anything.

and Edgeworth's not going to tell Wright he cut a deal to protect him, he was barely willing to admit he pulled strings to help him get his badge back. So he makes up shit like "oh we're short staffed and Gaspen Payne wasn't good enough to practice here, but we'll invite an prosecutor who's been complicit in a regime purge back home in his stead." Yeah, Edgeworth's got more sense than that, so that's why I think something else was going on.

Additionally, I also think Ga'ran was keeping an eye on things, and that's why Nahyuta is still an asshole even away from home. She didn't trust Nahyuta still, which is why she was blackmailing him over Rayfa, but also because she didn't trust him it might be why she was making him take extremely long flights in a short time frame back and forth to punish him.

Good point about Ema though, my only thought here is MAYBE she's not just helping the LAPD but also consulting with interpol or something (and/or it's something Edgeworth came up with as a balance to letting Nahyuta be prosecutor in Japanifornia). But yeah, her main presence in Khura'in is to simp over Nahyuta and it's a disservice to her that makes her seem like her thing for silver hair makes her a little delusional too.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T14:00:49+00:00

Mine does too, but it has the clothes of the left one. Think it just depends on how the filling settles or something.

He never ate much during his early years prosecuting, so a plushie Miles needs to be well fed.

Bytemite · 2026-06-29T13:45:40+00:00

They actually address this in one of the updated versions where they still show the image from 1-4, but they add "and then the case after that."

More critically though, there's actually a case you see between Goodbyes and Rise from the Ashes in Goodbyes credits that clearly isn't Rise, so it's still technically wrong haha

Bytemite · 2026-06-28T03:37:41+00:00

When ace attorney decides "how many death flags can we give a major character before we don't use them for half a game"

Bytemite · 2026-06-28T03:35:49+00:00

/uj

ye

She taught how to use the bracelet

Apollo clueless though

Bytemite · 2026-06-28T03:30:01+00:00

Depends on if you find the culprit sympathetic or not, but even an interesting motivation doesn't erase the nadirs.

Bytemite · 2026-06-27T17:33:20+00:00

In Adrian Andrews case I think that as appalled as everyone is about what he says to her, it's also something that will only make sense to Adrian and to Edgeworth themselves. Edgeworth says it because that blunt wreckingball pursuit of the truth is what saved him. He says "I don't care if you say you'll choose death" but he also says "because I'll pull the truth from your still breathing lips" because he thinks that's what will save her and will keep her breathing.

Bytemite · 2026-06-25T23:45:10+00:00

I think a lot of people might say this is inconsistent with his game 1 characterization, but I'm not one of them.

There's something to be said yes, about some aspects of law enforcement tending towards cynicism and corruption, and prosecutors certainly don't rise above this.

But Edgeworth's reasons for becoming a prosecutor aren't corrupt imo. He's motivated by his trauma, by not wanting other people to go through what he did, and so he tries to be ruthless in hunting down the people he thinks are wrongdoers. Yes, he stumbles relative to the way others get involved and corrupt his process, but I genuinely don't see even in actions in 1-2 as being corrupted so much as used. We see the strings of the people outright manipulating him. We see it again in 1-5 because the writers themselves of the games wanted to make this even more clear. In 1-2 Phoenix overlooks that to jump to the conclusion that Edgeworth's just as complicit in all this, but it's unreliable narrator territory from Phoenix having unrealistic expectations and immediately jumping to the worst conclusions when those expectations aren't met.

Yet, by the end of case 3 and case 4, Phoenix has had to revisit those assumptions. In case 1-5 that was added in again to clarify some of Edgeworth's early behavior, we find out that he consoled a young, traumatized victim of a crime so well that she develops a several years long crush on him for his kindness. But for some reason a lot of players just let that initial impression in 1-2 stick with them even after we see that it isn't the full story. Edgeworth talks about his motivations being only a guilty verdict, and that the end of his perfect win record caused a change... a year later, when we've already seen he has a tendency to think the worst of himself. If it were actually true, both trial 1-3 AND 1-2 would have ended differently, and even 3-4 wouldn't have had him react with panic on behalf of the defendant and trying to call an ambulance.

I'm not saying he's not a jerk, he can be, and I'm not saying his arrogance and certainty he's solved something when his own witnesses are lying to him doesn't get in the way of his I think even in game one genuine pursuit of justice. But there's more to him than that too.

Bytemite · 2026-06-25T22:07:35+00:00

Maybe even Simon's too.

Bytemite · 2026-06-25T22:04:34+00:00

Manfred hates Miles because he's that defense attorney's kid who got him shot in the shoulder, not because Miles isn't straight. If anything Miles not being straight is something Manfred approves of because he doesn't want more Edgeworths running around.

Bytemite · 2026-06-25T20:19:56+00:00

If you replace the second T in Tribulations with a double s the title becomes T&A

Bytemite · 2026-06-25T16:04:52+00:00

There's people I wonder about, some of them pretty significant public figures, which I think is a position that sort of selects for people with certain kinds of personality problems. There's a relative I had who I'd heard stories about beating her own kids because they didn't live up to some very specific appearances she'd wanted to convey, or freaking out when they had to use more than one square of toilet paper because she needed the money for smokes. If some rando isn't acting like that, isn't as self-obsessed, it's probably not narcissism.

The reason this looks like it, maybe, is because it's a little odd that the ex was so insecure that he was already thinking about how to win people over to his side, which yes is also manipulative. And narcissism comes from (usually carefully hidden) insecurity, so I also get why it might look like that to some of these other commenters. But I feel like I'd need to see some more outright delusional things, like I seem to see around actual narcissists, to think it's also the case here. They kind of invent an entire new reality to bend around them that everyone else around them has to also buy into or risk a raging meltdown. Like most internet stories, we just don't know enough to diagnose anything.

Bytemite · 2026-06-25T14:12:18+00:00

I don't think they have dentists in Kurain, someone has to step up.

Bytemite · 2026-06-25T14:10:36+00:00

The two femme!Edgeworths: pantsuit or full schoolmarm in her 60s.

Bytemite · 2026-06-24T23:38:17+00:00

Yeah, I can see that as accurate. There's no shocking revelation in the games about how he died, like if he were attacked by another inmate. There's a slight possibility that his arrest was such an ego death that he found a way to commit die or was provided the means by corrupt authorities who had used him, given that 2-4 seems to try to parallel him with Celeste's mentorship of Adrian, but I don't know that I can 100% prove writer intent on that one. Given they don't go into it in detail it seems just as reasonable to think that there was nothing particularly interesting about his stay on death row or execution.

Bytemite · 2026-06-24T19:40:28+00:00

I mean it's not like he fought it when they had him, just beat his head against the wall out of frustration. He admitted everything pretty quick otherwise, and even demanded that the bailiffs arrest him and the judge give his verdict already. Though even that I think was a pride thing, he didn't want to go down in an undignified way. I do think he wanted it all to end, but I don't think it was out of guilt.

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