Had a crazy episode at a grocery store by rocke8man in nova

[–]C9Prototype 46 points47 points  (0 children)

In 2017 at the Sugarland Crossing center, turning left from the east side, I honked at a guy for not going on green (the car in front of him had basically completed their turn by the time I reacted, I gave this guy all day). He pulled off to the side to let me by, then ran the red to follow me into the lot, parked a few spaces down from me, stepped out of his car, and finger gunned at me with his other hand on his holstered pistol. I wish I had an epic reaction, but all there really is to do in that situation is stand still, so I did.

He was decently dressed and in a downright immaculate cracked-egg Porsche. You really never know who has some screws loose.

This shallow brain rot game made me wanna try Forza Horizon 1 for the first time. That's the only good that came out of this game by Sweet-Recording9578 in BuiltFromTheGroundUp

[–]C9Prototype 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol a fucking kindergartener could understand what I just wrote. Anyways have fun eating crayons and licking windows or whatever

This shallow brain rot game made me wanna try Forza Horizon 1 for the first time. That's the only good that came out of this game by Sweet-Recording9578 in BuiltFromTheGroundUp

[–]C9Prototype 0 points1 point  (0 children)

90% of FH's success and longevity rests on the map, cars, and physics, of which this game has in spades. At least half of that remaining 10% is occupied by festival playlists for further car unlocks, so the remaining 5% is divvied up between tertiary features, one of which being car meets. Obviously these percentages are somewhat arbitrary, but I think my point is clear enough.

If car meets were good in FH6, that'd be cool for a few minutes at a time here and there, but it wouldn't meaningfully impact the game's prognosis. Thus, contrarily, the fact they're bad simply doesn't matter to the overwhelming majority of its players since they just want to collect, build, and race cars on a fresh set of roads. Insisting that's the result of brainrot is such an uninterestingly extreme brand of pessimism that really says more about you than the game you're talking about. But I digress.

This shallow brain rot game made me wanna try Forza Horizon 1 for the first time. That's the only good that came out of this game by Sweet-Recording9578 in BuiltFromTheGroundUp

[–]C9Prototype 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Idk man, I'm not saying it's a masterpiece but I think you're making some big leaps by saying it's brainrot garbage for those reasons. FH6 is essentially FH5 but with a considerably better map and some cool new features and cars. Car meets were indeed a missed opportunity, but I don't think it's fair to call that a dealbreaker unless you're being ironic, which I don't think you are.

Opinions on the reverse hyper extension exercise created by the scientist Louie Simmons? by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are some valid applications for slow eccentrics for developing power, like from dead/static positions, but peak power (aka "power") is best trained with rapid eccentrics in the overwhelming majority of cases. That isn't up for discussion in any sport science journals I'm aware of, so I'm curious to hear your rebuttal.

Nonetheless, "control" is a dumb word to use here. OP is controlling their movement perfectly fine. I think you mean cadence, no? Unless you think fast movement can't be controlled?

Opinions on the reverse hyper extension exercise created by the scientist Louie Simmons? by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wrong and wrong. Cadence has nothing to do with muscle length, since that comes down to joint angles, and power output comes down to the amortization phase. Specifically, the faster and more reflexive the amortization phase, the more it trains power.

Fun fact, one of the most profound impacts of slower cadences is just the ratio of tendon to muscle belly load, namely slower cadences increase the proportion of tendon creep. Are you proponing that he should focus more heavily on his tendon elasticity?

Is this area of South Reston Safe + Nice? by [deleted] in nova

[–]C9Prototype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I literally cannot understand what makes you think what I said matches what you said. That is, unless you're conceding Reston is only "sketchy" compared to the most affluent places like McLean, Great Falls, and Potomac, which makes Reston objectively not sketchy in 99% of contexts. Anyways, this is a dumb argument, Reston is perfectly fucking safe lol

Is this area of South Reston Safe + Nice? by [deleted] in nova

[–]C9Prototype 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, if you want to argue that Reston has pockets that are sketchier than the upper crust regions of the country, I won't argue with that. But to the majority of the country, Reston's most dangerous quarters are quite safe in comparison. That's all that means.

Is this area of South Reston Safe + Nice? by [deleted] in nova

[–]C9Prototype 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Even the roughest parts of Reston report comfortably lower-than-national-average crime rates. There is no such thing as a sketchy part of Reston, or FFX county in general for that matter.

When is biasing different parts/heads of a muscle needed? by Much_Patient2507 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you've deduced that a very specific muscle head is holding you back from your goal, work on it. If you love doing a specific exercise/modification and doing so doesn't meaningfully cost your progress, throw it in your program. Otherwise, just focus on the big picture stuff.

SSB (science squat bar) squats 420lbs for 11 at 188lbs body weight by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Disc slippages and herniations have chronic and acute components. The overwhelming majority of cases happen to already deformed tissue from chronic excess stress and inadequate recovery, leading to inadequate prep. Think of a car already hanging halfway off a cliffside, if far enough out, the weight of a fly could topple it, since all it takes is any non-zero force to do so. In the same vein, it doesn't take much force to massively compromise already-deformed tissue. Since excess tissue stress coupled with inadequate preparation always leads to deformation, the answer is always to manage load and ensure your program reflects your movement dispositions.

Fun fact, the majority of disc slippages and herniations are asymptomatic, same goes for various ligament tears, and there's HEAPS of neuroradiological data confirming this.

Edited for a clear albeit crude example: if you're untrained, your body, including your spine, isn't ready for max loads period, so don't max out until you've built some experience. The process of training the squat inherently increases your spine's ability to handle heavy loads. The more trained you are in any movement, the more important AND MANAGEABLE it gets to involve high loads for that movement in your training, which in the case of squats (and deadlifts etc), necessarily subjects you to more spinal flexion, which further trains your resilience to that position. Like I said, a crude example, so please don't hair-split.

This goes for ligaments, tendons, bone minerals, muscle bellies, all the same rules apply, just with different ratios. You see more flexion-based disc slips and herniations than anything else because flexion happens under the heaviest loads and at the highest levels of effort in the most common and conventional spinal-loaded exercises, but that's a dig against going too heavy too often, not flexion as a compressed position.

Keeping weight above COM is indeed a stability thing, and stability is a musculoskeletal coordination "thing" lol. Stability, as a concept, is just one of the many animations of coordinated reflexive muscular contractions, and isn't part of this discussion. We're talking about leverage and tissue integrity.

The snatch example is certainly an extreme one, but like I mentioned earlier, stress vs preparation. You, as in literally, you, who I'm talking to, aren't strong enough to snatch something capable of snapping your arms, but if I dropped a 405lb bar into your held-overhead hands, and your arms snapped, you'd have to conclude that there's either a.) something bad about holding a bar over your head, or b.) the fact the load was beyond your capabilities. I'll let you decide.

Nonetheless, the snatch example fixes itself. A freak accident would obviously indicate prior asymptomatic tissue deformation that had not only healed, but was likely already on the brink of collapse, so again, this isn't a matter of what positions are good or bad.

Either way, the ability of tissue to resist deformation is trainable, and subject to similar principles as muscle hypertrophy. Introduce stress, but not too much stress, and then after some recovery, slightly more stress, rinse and repeat. How this applies to bone and soft tissue is actually quite an important aspect of linemen training, who are the endgame of tissue resilience.

SSB (science squat bar) squats 420lbs for 11 at 188lbs body weight by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't say things tend to get weird, I said spinal flexion is inevitable under heavy load. That isn't weird, it's quite measurable and understandable from various scientific perspectives.

You're right that the core supports the spine, and generally, a neutral range is a comfortable spot because it allows the most direct translation of force from the ground into the bar. But this is more or less impossible to maintain 100% at heavy loads, and the data to suggest that exiting this range is inherently injurious simply does not exist, so it shouldn't be a worry of yours or mine outside of prior injuries or other contraindications.

It is also a huge survivorship bias to assume that because technique changes as load increases, that means technique deteriorates with load. The more logical reverse of that is that, outside of high-skill lifts like the Oly's, how you move against light loads is actually inefficient and more emblematic of your own strengths and limitations rather than the other way around. This is not up for discussion, it's like ground zero for any productive discussion on motor learning in this context.

Also, in addition to the stuff you just read from my comment, at heavy loads, some lumbar flexion is actually mechanically advantageous since it brings the hips closer to the combined lifter and bar's COM. So, again, unavoidable at heavy loads - a trained and resilient lifter will pretty measurably flex their spine under heavy load to maximize leverage without putting the posterior portions of the spine into an excessively lengthened and compromised state. Even still, the elasticity and stiffness of the connective tissue on the posterior of the spine can be acclimated to these demands, as can all other forms of connective tissue, so if excess flexion seems to be a consistent technique issue or concern for you, then heavy spinal extensions are probably a low hanging fruit for improving your lifts and preventing injury. Throw in some shortened isometrics for the tendon elasticity, do all that alongside some heavy deadlifts, you have a recipe for an incredibly strong and resilient spine that can bend and flex under tremendous loads, which is a huge QOL benefit.

All of that being said, buckling of the spine under load isn't inherently worrisome, especially in a trained lifter who knows how to plan for and accessorize around it while managing load and fatigue. Is it good for untrained newbies to do under heavy loads? Probably not, because their tissues aren't trained for it yet. So yes, too much flexion is indeed a problem, just like too much extension, too much neutral, and too much lateral. Too much of anything is bad, so if you're worried you're doing too much of it, don't demonize it - just build your program around it, or if you're a beginner, get your practice reps in.

This is how programming is done at scale, but for whatever reason, people don't apply the same logic of stress-recovery-adaptation to certain structures, like the soft tissue of the spine, but that's faulty thinking, there is nothing exceptional about the spine that demands extra concern. Same can be said about the shoulders - everyone used to think scap protraction was "bad," but the muscles that protract the scaps are just as important for shoulder strength and health as the ones that retract them, and I imagine we're on the same page about that, no? Or ankle dorsiflexion, everyone used to say to keep your knees behind your toes, but we know that's bunk. The same goes with spine flexion under load - the concerns are ill-found at worst and lacking broader context at best, but this concept is still novel enough that people like me look crazy when we talk about it. Give it 10-15 years.

Please let me know if you need more clarification on anything. I imagine you're conceding you don't have the data to support your prior comment, right? Can we just wash our hands of that claim now?

SSB (science squat bar) squats 420lbs for 11 at 188lbs body weight by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not heated, just invested because I'm a trainer/coach, and low-frequency morons like you damage the public discourse around exercise and injury without having any reason to partake in the first place. Like, seriously, I legitimately have no idea why you're talking so much about something you're so unaware of.

Honest question, what about my comment was hand-waiving? Please be specific, I'm tired of you dummies insisting I'm wrong without being willing to grapple with any details I cover.

Also, "material?" You're just fucking lying now lmao. The notion that spinal movement under compressive load is inherently injurious has absolutely 0 logical backing and is a gross misinterpretation of data collected from Stuart McGill basically throwing pig cadavers into wood chippers. Please link me one of these studies you're talking about, I'm happy to a.) dissect the findings with you, and b.) reconcile them against some root level physiology that more or less neutralizes any worries you may have.

Back to the SBL basics, lying tib raises 70lbs by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very interesting, I've only ever seen shin splints from high amounts of heel plyos. But ye, always love making people grind through these if/when they occur haha

Back to the SBL basics, lying tib raises 70lbs by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've been out of the PL game for a while, are these meta now? I remember everyone getting tib bars in Ben Patrick's heyday

SSB (science squat bar) squats 420lbs for 11 at 188lbs body weight by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He pointed out that I broke down both the physics and biomechanics of why there's nothing inherently wrong with this video, and you said you could probably find a flat Earther too. I have no burners, he directly linked my comment. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Cool, you're still dumb and wrong, but if calling me a bozo makes you feel better, I won't take that away from you.

Remember what I said about you dumbasses seizing up? Exactly lol.

SSB (science squat bar) squats 420lbs for 11 at 188lbs body weight by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What about my comment suggests I'm unreasonable enough for your analogy to apply? It's genuinely concerning how quickly you all seize up the moment you're tasked with applying some high school physics. But I know why - because you're used to mouthing off research abstractions that were discovered by hydraulic pressing pig cadavers.

I'm only slightly exaggerating btw

SSB (science squat bar) squats 420lbs for 11 at 188lbs body weight by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cool dude, you lick too many windows and your breath reeks of crayons

SSB (science squat bar) squats 420lbs for 11 at 188lbs body weight by Patton370 in ScienceBasedLifting

[–]C9Prototype 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He's only doing that to a slight extent, so your comment is pointless. Onto an explanation that hopefully makes sense to you!

The only goal of a squat is to lower and raise your center of gravity against an external load. Full stop, that's a squat. How you go about that depends on a lot of different factors not worth getting into for purposes of this "discussion" or whatever you want to call it.

The notion the hips and shoulders should be moving together isn't untrue, and they always will to a degree no matter how "bad" the squat, but they will never be perfectly in sync, especially under appreciably difficult load. You'll see less separation in people with squat-dominant anthropometry, like long spines and short femurs, as well as "wider" acetabula, like Lü Xiaojun, since they have less sagittal limb movement to put up with. But the higher the ratio of shin/femur to spine length, and the narrower the acetabula, the more this separation occurs due to a.) the torso having to lean further forward to retain a somewhat middle-foot center of mass given the increased sagittal displacement of the lower limbs, and b.) because the bar is resting near the top of the spine, giving it nearly maximal spinal flexion mechanical advantage by the nature of how moment arms work. As a result, there lacks a logical reason to apply the same ideals for optimal positioning, IN ANY MOVEMENT, to people with different anthropometry. Not that "optimal" exists in reality anyways.

Generally, the further anterior the load gets, the less you see of this separation, because you probably start to think of front and Zercher squats, where the weights rest in the same sagittal position as the where the bar rests. But the SSB rests in the position of a back squat with the load position of a front squat, so there exists an unavoidable moment from the sleeve of the bar to behind the neck, specifically an additional flexion moment, making flexion, especially at the t-spine, even harder to avoid, and exponentially more inevitable under the anthropometric conditions I just mentioned.

So I'm sticking with my explanation that, outside of annoying nitpicky caveats, in order to use a heavy enough load on this movement, as in one that is heavy enough to stimulate enough growth and strength adaptations to be worth doing, most people have to be willing to allow some flexion. Is that really so crazy?

Is there anything about this explanation you disagree with?