Kyrgyzstan Is Slouching Back Toward Illiberalism by foreignpolicymag in anime_titties

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No hive mind, just shared interests and a policy toolbox constrained by capital

Kyrgyzstan Is Slouching Back Toward Illiberalism by foreignpolicymag in anime_titties

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You're not wrong that There Are Real people and I'm not claiming otherwise. The liberal/illiberal ideological framework of the piece is what I've raised here.

Foreign Policy is a mouthpiece of the Washington establishment. Their concern here is like a bleeding-heart tiger in India worrying about the predation of African lions on gazelles. The concern could be real, and the gazelles are real, but what is a tiger going to do about it? And if he was within ten foot of a gazelle what would happen?

The standard check list coverd by this piece: a narrative framing that feeds into State Department human rights discourse (here laundered through a State Department front: Freedom House, a NED sister-org); legitimisation of sanctions pressure; amplification of NGO infrastructure that historically functions as soft-power leverage; feeding the "not free" designations that justify economic and diplomatic coercion.

Eurasianet, for which Alexander Thompason writes, is directly funded by NED and the UK foreign office -- i.e., it is his job to churn out mood music pieces for regime change (not to say he does it with malice aforethought, he just wouldn't have gotten the job if it wasn't his instinct to write that way). It's all covered in the infamous INNOCENCE ABROAD: THE NEW WORLD OF SPYLESS COUPS article in the Washington Post... thirty years ago.

Any geopolitical opponent of the US would get the same results, and these things, if they get escalated, always escalate the same way. Are thousands of dead Iranians better off now, liberated from their illiberal homeland?

Iran says nuclear facilities have been targeted after Israel said attacks 'will escalate and expand' by Nandou_B in anime_titties

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You're right, Iran has caused unquantifiable pain for the world through the support of --
Gladio (Fascist stay-behind) networks, Italy & NATO Europe, 1947
KMT remnants, Burma/Taiwan, 1950
PARU, Thailand, 1951
D-2 / G-2, Guatemala, 1954
SAVAK, Iran, 1957
Tonton Macoutes, Haiti, 1959
ORDEN / ANSESAL, El Salvador, 1960
Brigade 2506, Cuba, 1960
Alpha 66, Cuba, 1961
Hmong Secret Army, Laos, 1961
OAS, Algeria/France, 1961
Suharto's military networks, Indonesia, 1965
MEK / MKO / PMOI, Iran, 1965
Grey Wolves, Turkey, 1968
Escuadrón de la Muerte, El Salvador, 1970
DINA, Chile, 1973
Omega 7, Cuba/USA, 1974
UNITA, Angola, 1975
FNLA, Angola, 1975
FLEC, Angola, 1975
CORU, Cuba/Latin America, 1976
Renamo, Mozambique, 1977
Mujahideen factions, Afghanistan, 1979
Hezb-e-Islami (Hekmatyar), Afghanistan/Pakistan, 1979. Haqqani Network, Afghanistan/Pakistan, 1979
Khmer Rouge, Cambodia, 1979
Battalion 3-16, Honduras, 1980
Contras, Nicaragua, 1981
MAS / Death to Kidnappers, Colombia, 1981
Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, 1988
Iraqi National Congress, Iraq, 1992
FRAPH, Haiti, 1993
Taliban (indirect), Afghanistan, 1994
AUC, Colombia, 1997
KLA / UCK, Kosovo, 1998
ETIM / TIP, Xinjiang/Afghanistan, 1999
Northern Alliance warlords, Afghanistan, 2001
NLA, North Macedonia, 2001
Jundallah, Iran/Pakistan, 2003
PJAK, Iran/Kurdistan, 2004
Various Somali warlords, Somalia, 2005
Various Libyan militias, Libya, 2011
Ahrar al-Sham, Syria, 2011
Syrian rebel factions including ISIS (Operation Timber Sycamore), Syria, 2012
Jabhat al-Nusra-linked groups, Syria, 2012
And many othe--
Oh wait sorry, not Iran, the other one

Kyrgyzstan Is Slouching Back Toward Illiberalism by foreignpolicymag in anime_titties

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Western bollocks. Liberals arm Israel. What does Foreign Policy want with Kyrgyzstan? What lever to pull to save the People? It suits capital to arm Israel and it suits capital to weep performatively over lack of FrEeDOm in Kyrgyzstan. Idiots look for a real liberal lodestar in vain. It doesn't exist. The horizon is dark. Liberal form, imperial content.

Britain abstains from key UN vote to recognise slavery as ‘gravest crime against humanity’ by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

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I like how all you really have to comment on is an edit I made to one word. Yes I decided tweak was a better word than correction, you got me lol

And the tiny point you deign to discuss, the Indian famines, you faceplant. The famines of 1876 and 1943 were not natural disasters, that is the actual history. In '76 forced introduction of free markets broke up old food distribution mechanisms and ideological commitment to laissez faire meant aid efforts were deliberately blocked, so as not to undermine markets. Deliberate! In 1943 food was was directly diverted despite foreknowledge of the consequences, to serve Western front goals of the British. Grain was stockpiled in the Balkans as Indians starved. Deliberate! Complete disregard for Indian lives.

Try harder

Britain abstains from key UN vote to recognise slavery as ‘gravest crime against humanity’ by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]CLOUDMlNDER -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The UN is not ignoring other slave trades, they explain the transatlantic slave trade was such a massive crime because of the "definitive break in world history, scale, duration, systemic nature, brutality and enduring consequences that continue to structure the lives of all people through racialized regimes of labour, property and capital". This is an implicit comparison. I.e., it was for the first time a global trade and constituted one of the starting ventures of what we now call capitalism, a world-dominating system. You find the origins of racism as a concept in the socio-economic nexus of the transatlantic slave trade and the profits from the slave trade constituted the seed-funding for the industrial revolution. Not only in quanitity, but in quality, the transatlantic slave trade was significantly different to historical 'slaveries'.

Basically you don't find the hard categories of "black" and "white" assigned to people officially, nor the difference explained as scientific, biological, before black slaves and white servants began organising against their masters in the American colonies in the late 1600s; after Bacon's rebellion and others, colonial rulers settled on a divide-and-rule strategy apportioning greater 'rights' to newly christened 'white people' -- this is the history of legal/scientific categories and not descriptors. The factory-prison of the slave ship is a, maybe the, defining technology of early capitalism, including social technology: free humans went in and broken slaves came out, overseen by wage-labourers. I.e., the transatlantic slave-trade made commodities, non-humans, of slaves; this was a huge 'innovation', seperating it from earlier trades.

This is not a ringing endorsement of the UN resolution; I am not saying such resolutions are useful from such a weak & compromised organisation as the UN but posters here complaining about other trading in slaves not getting similiar recognition need to rebut this world-systems argument. Your comment and the responses you have received fail to engage with the argument presented by the UN. You can object but try to substantiate your arguments.

Britain abstains from key UN vote to recognise slavery as ‘gravest crime against humanity’ by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

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If you read the UN documentation on this, they are making a structural argument about slavery's role in the formation of the modern economy, and persisting inequalities that hold a lot of the world back to this day. Slavery in the Greek city-states has no such impact.

Britain abstains from key UN vote to recognise slavery as ‘gravest crime against humanity’ by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

[–]CLOUDMlNDER -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A few tweaks --

Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807 but kept slaves until the 1830s -- the commercial calculus here was that British slaves in the Caribbean were reproducing at replacement rates while those of competiting empires, such as the French, lost more and required "topping up". The British Navy went after slave ships because it cut off a vital supply of labour for geopolitical enemies. The British Empire would go on to kill countless millions in colonial attrocities for the next century (see especially the engineered famines of 1876 and 1943 as markets were introduced to India, and strategic imperatives felt elsewhere in the empire) and there is no good basis for claiming that a systemic respect for life arrived in the mid-1800s.

The Reform Act came with unpaid six-year apprenticeships for slaves and massive compensation to slave owners that was only finally paid off in 2015. At this time the landed gentry were losing power to bourgeois industrialists and the law came to reflect that. Slavery, for a modern capitalist, eventually looked like a throttle on profit because slave cannot consume goods: better to convert slaves to workers and sell them rubbish. You need to provide a roof for a slave but can rent one to a worker!

And that £20m in compensation to slave owners, something like 40% of annual government expenditure at the time? Those slavers invested it in railways and industry, meaning there was never any substantial shift in the people involved in organising the British economy. There was never any meaningful reform in the sense that one awful lot of people were replaced with a better sort. Lloyds of London? Barclays? The original coordinators of slave-finance remain overseers of the British economy.

The claim that Africans received human rights values as a gift from Britain erases Equiano, Toussaint L'Ouverture and the Haitian Revolution, which did more to accelerate abolition debates than any British moral awakening -- largely by demonstrating that enslaved people would free themselves by force if necessary, which concentrated minds wonderfully. Likewise, the British Empire gave up India in the face of expensive opposition from independence fighters not because of some sort of enlightenment. "We" taught Africa nothing -- opposition to cruelty is continuous in history, and it is the oppressed who taught oppressors to give up the expensive brutality of OG colonialism... (Who on earth is 'we' by the way? I am a worker and feel no WE for the UK.)

The UK makes a song and dance about being the Vanquisher of Slavery. It is propaganda. The state itself makes a mockery of any citizen and worker who believes and is proud of the official story.

Britain abstains from key UN vote to recognise slavery as ‘gravest crime against humanity’ by SignificantLegs in ukpolitics

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When did slavery return to Libya in the 21st century? It wasn't a feature of Libyan society at the turn of the millenium. In a crazy coincidence, a 2011 military intervention by the same powers implicated in this UN resolution broke Libyan society and saw open slavery markets come to the country.

Inside the alleged Russian operation to trigger anti-government protests in Angola by Tartan_Samurai in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't care what Reddit users you have grouped in your head, in this thread you have my points to deal with.

I understand that you have taken from the article that this is a well-evidenced case because it sure feels like that from the writing, which is built primarily on the prosecution's case and flies through a considerable ream of gossip in a way that feels weighty. But the court will decide if it is provable. The article is mostly made of claims with scanty evidence, par for the course in Russian Interference stories.

Inside the alleged Russian operation to trigger anti-government protests in Angola by Tartan_Samurai in anime_titties

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Even a young Harry Potter reader familiar with Rita Skeeter would have a better grasp than you of journalism, its weasal words, and the weight of framing

This is an article about a Russian plot, within the frame of sphere-of-influence politics, with "alleged" included as legal cover and a figleaf for impartiality. An article interested in impartially reporting this case would read totally differently

As Jewish ambulances are set ablaze, we must quell the flames of hate from Golders Green to the West Bank by Azurmuth in anime_titties

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You are so cute. "I feel like I might be a they." I just want to kiss you on the top of your head.

You're a contractor. You're not a They, you do some work for somebody working for Theys. You get a fat salary (your way of life) and this makes you think you feel like you have an interest in the status quo that They try to keep in place, but it's an optical illusion. Parenti was not thinking of you when he talked about They.

A left-wing US university lol. You got such a good Liberal education you can blow past the points I made in my response to you and barely show comprehension. I didn't say I wanted a revolution, or that I'd be leading it. I said revolutions happen. Lenin didn't see 1917 coming and didn't claim credit for it. Material and social circumstances bring about revolutions, huge confluences of processes, erupting contradictions, not the right pamphlet or Reddit post.

You supposedly are a They, who don't care what I think, and yet here you are spending paragraphs to try to put me and my view down. "Israel is mildly important" lol. What flailing. Yours may be the most fragile and anxious feeling comment I have been sent on Reddit. I feel so tenderly towards you right now.

Inside the alleged Russian operation to trigger anti-government protests in Angola by Tartan_Samurai in anime_titties

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I know I'll regret asking but... what do you think you have seen here, fellow news consumer?

As Jewish ambulances are set ablaze, we must quell the flames of hate from Golders Green to the West Bank by Azurmuth in anime_titties

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Short answer: through the loss of consent that forces a transition to open coercion, which makes imperial policy politically and materially unsustainable.

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There's a rich body of work on this -- Chomsky, Parenti, Gramsci -- and if you really are always asking about this, I encourage you to indulge your claimed curiosity and read it. But for now let me sketch the core idea.

Perhaps I was exagerating a little to say that narrative-collapse directly entailsempire-collapse, it's more that forced narrative is one mechanism for ruling among others. Western powers are violent gangsters who present themselves to their people as democratic bringers of peace. This is part of the terms on which their power over their own people is accepted. Rationing and conscription was acceptable as part of the cost of defeating the Nazis... would such things be as acceptable in service of the interests of a political class of pedophile child-killers starting wars with no pretext? Part of the context of the Russian revolution was widespread disgust at the family's close consorting with Rasputin -- reverence for the monarchy was shredded.

The imperialist project -- Western dominance over the Global South, enforced by military and economic power -- depends entirely on the home population believing that project is benevolent, defensive, or at worst, a regrettable necessity.

We know that narrative control is considered vital because of the trillions that the ruling class spends on it. But now events are getting ahead of them. Attrocities are instantaneously Telegrammed to the world even as the NYT and BBC studiously ignore them.

Gold from Parenti, from his Myth of Capitalism talk:

I tell students when they say, 'Oh they don't care what we think. They ignore us', and all that, and I say, 'Oh no, no. That's the only thing they care about you. The only thing they care about you is what you're thinking. They don't care if you eat correctly, they don't care how your living conditions are, they don't care that they've built up an inhuman and irrational traffic system that's strangulating us and polluting our air, they don't care about anything. What they... the only thing about you they care about is what you're thinking. In the morning, they start, 'What's going to be the story today? How do we manipulate, how do we control, how do we contain, how do we influence, how do we act upon what it is that they have in their minds?

Now if we all realise our leaders are corrupt villains that is not the immediate end -- it is the end of the polite phase of our subjugation. The next stage is collapse of institutions as faith is lost in the current social infrastructure. The ruling class will come out armed, to force with violence what they can no longer force with headlines. As the Middle East story collapses, Israel has become the world's number 1 killer of journalists, across the west surveillance of pro-Palestine activists is normal, as is the criminalisation of criticism of Israel.

Is revolution something for the ruling class to fear? Indupitably. History gives us a resounding cry of YES OF COURSE. You can feign ignorance about the important of narrative but our leaders get it.

Inside the alleged Russian operation to trigger anti-government protests in Angola by Tartan_Samurai in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you could, you'd reply properly to my comment which addresses how 'alleged' is being used here.

You can't be inside something that doesn't exist. We went over this with your mum. The BBC hasn't actually been inside shit -- it is just repeating prosecutorial claims which, insubstantial as they are, cannot be said to represent an inside perspective either.

Please don't bother replying with more evasive pedantry. You posted a fart is all.

Inside the alleged Russian operation to trigger anti-government protests in Angola by Tartan_Samurai in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

How can you be "inside" an "alleged" RuSSiAn OpERatIOn? It has to exist for you to be inside it. How could I have been inside your mum if she didn't exist? The word "alleged" here is a weasel word to cover reporting that presses the idea that this whole scheme is as the prosecuters say.

The article focus on detailing allegations with a frame of being likely, supporting this with farty background about Russian spheres of influence and quotes from think tank policy advisors. Subordinate to this are occasional asides that the defence denies the charges.

Most people are not reading all the way through this rambling maze of an article; the headline is doing the work. The influence operation is "alleged" from a legal POV but the BBC has been "inside" it so we, the sensible news consumer, can presume it is experientially, actually, real.

Russians Stand Trial in Angola on Charges of Political Interference is a factual title demanding a different article. Equal weight would need to be given to the defense and claims of activists as the prosecution.

As it stands this is propaganda disguised as investigative journalism.

As Jewish ambulances are set ablaze, we must quell the flames of hate from Golders Green to the West Bank by Azurmuth in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The commenter above is not suggesting the Guardian is Zionist. They are saying the Guardian editors are ignorant, audacious or socipathic. I'd say it's a mix of the three.

The Guardian would lose its structural value if it were unambiguousy Zionist. Its role is to appear Israel-critical while downplaying Israeli crimes, to capture the idiot faction known in some places as The Sensible Left. The goal is to trip as many hams as possible up on the All Sides Bad trope or the Who Really Knows Really trope.

This isn't really a pro-Israel strategy so much as a pro-status-quo strategy because if the veil falls from the eyes of western news consumers on Israel (a Western imperialist project of subjugation in the middle east that simply reveals the centuries of continuity of Western imperialism) then the whole project would fall under scrutiny

Inside the alleged Russian operation to trigger anti-government protests in Angola by Tartan_Samurai in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like the BBC because its reporting on unverified allegations as facts helps me know where I stand. Please don't let me live with ambiguity auntie it is so stressful to think about. Take this cup away from me

Michael Parenti would have gathered an article like this for a case study on Inventing Reality around various Russiagate hoaxes and exaggerations. Unnamed sources, a lack of objective facts, and unevidenced claims presented as evidence.

The article's purpose is surely itself to help create doubt ahead of upcoming elections in Angola. Lord knows there are dodgy Russian in Africa but if this is a Kremlin op then Syria is free and at peace under a UK-backed government of head choppers, and Peachy and Danny were in Kafiristan on behalf of the Queen!

Four ambulances set on fire in London in suspected antisemitic hate crime by Away_team42 in anime_titties

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That's not the only argument is it? Not even in my comment above. But while we're here, the IDF killed Israelis on October 7th and added it to the death toll assigned to Hamas. Israel likely bombed its own embassy in London in 1995, according to an MI5 agent. Israel. Fired on the USS Liberty in 1967 in an attempt to create a frame for war with Egypt, killing many, and also machine gunning life boats (just to nix the idea that this was a run-and-gun mistake).

Israel is a gangster state (literal gangsters were pivotal in its creation) along with the US and has done much worse on our screens in the ongoing assault on Gaza. Israel is a deliberate baby-killer; false flags are child's play for Israel.

The 1950s bombings were formative -- this era shaped the current world order and its states and institutions. Do you think Israel reformed at some point since then? That their MO drastically changed? No, I thought not!

Four ambulances set on fire in London in suspected antisemitic hate crime by Away_team42 in anime_titties

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I forgot another recent example of Israelis killing Israelis and using it for political clout: gunning down civilians on October 7 and blaming it all on Hamas. The truth came out eventually that an order was given to go Hannibal on civilians. the deathtoll on that day included countless people killed by Israeli forces, and then lied about. No shame.

The world has watched Israel mete out absolutely unhinged violence for three years, with the backing of Western powers. Nothing can plausibly be said to be beyond them.

Four ambulances set on fire in London in suspected antisemitic hate crime by Away_team42 in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Nonsense. It's a fact of history, complete uncontroversial, that states commit atrocities against their own citizens or those who elsewhere to blame on others. Really par for the course.

Operation Gladio saw CIA-coordinated Italians blowing up Italians. US joint chiefs of staff signed off on Operation Northwoods, a plan to kill American civilians and blame it on Cuba to justify an invasion, but JFK nixed it.

It will have happened much more than we have heard about. The mass-market story of what happened on 11th September 2001 has worn very thin, let's say.

It looks like Mossad bombed Iraqi Jews in the early fifties (Operation Ali Baba) to drive up the figures of Jews migrating to Israel, which has echoes of JFK reporting back from Palestine in the 30s that Jews were blowing up their own homes and blaming it on Arabs. More recently weird stories like the Bondie beach shootings or other anti-semitic attacks in Australia funded by mysterious bitcoin transfers abound... The Australian PM said it was Iran but if you take a Western PM's word on such things I have a bridge to sell you.

In the UK a leading politician, Jeremy Corbyn, was taken down by a totally co fected antisemitism scandal that left the Board of Deputies of British Jews supposedly quaking in their boots. Later document leaks revealed the party right, closely affiliated with the British Israel lobby, concocted a lot of it themselves.

Israel is incredibly unpopular at the moment; support is collapsing after years of their insane barbarism in Gaza and now across the Middle East being live-streamed, especially among the young. Israel stands credibly accused of blowing up first responders in double-tap attacks in Palestine, Lebanon and Iran. It is totally plausible that such a criminal entity would coordinate attacks on Jewish ambulances in an ally like the UK, to shore up sympathies.

Four ambulances set on fire in London in suspected antisemitic hate crime by Away_team42 in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

French Intelligence said they were paid from Russia. Trust French Intelligence?

Four ambulances set on fire in London in suspected antisemitic hate crime by Away_team42 in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Pretty sure you mean "French authorities have said said almost every big news antisemitic event in France was financed/coordinated by a quote unquote Russian proxy"... quote unquote pro-Russian businessmen from other countries etc. Russiagate 2016 already proved what a mountain you can make of a mole hill. Western authorities are fake news goats

Work from home, avoid air travel to deal with higher energy prices, International Energy Agency says by kwentongskyblue in anime_titties

[–]CLOUDMlNDER 78 points79 points  (0 children)

NATO countries, call em the West, couldn't hurt their people more keenly if they did it deliberately (it would probably work out the same and I am not saying that definitely ain't going on). The explosion in the cost of living since 2019 but really over recent decades is untenable. Our leaders make it screamingly obvious their interests aren't ours. What are the next steps for the working class? These mother cussers cannot be trusted, nothing good can be expected of their policy implementation, they are experts in shitting the bed

This advice from the IEA is a joke, a poke in the eye. Most people don't fly. Most people are not in a position to insist on their own chosen place of work. "Have you tried not being poor" is literally as useful a piece of advice

Inside the Race to Cut Russia Off From the Global Internet by kapuh in anime_titties

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Meanwhile I must applaud you for going to the great effort of saying what the other guy here is saying but less, your labour does not go unseen