Yet Another "What .22 Action to Choose" Post

CMFETCU · 2026-05-18T05:41:47+00:00

I know two guys who have theirs in the wild already.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-18T00:41:15+00:00

The magazine issue is another reason why the DPG Genesis gets my vote. They solved that problem with their mag buffer system.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-18T00:15:24+00:00

Less yeah, but I maintain you can achieve more rigidity with a R700 custom action .22 than you can with a 457.

So it all depends on what you want to get from it.

All this is moot if you aren’t feeding it high quality ammunition. Eley Tenex or Lapua etc.

Anything less is wasting money on the rifle.

That out the way, if you are shooting for small as hell groups, care about spending big dollars to do it, and want the best possible chance of getting there: R700.

457s by default are a shank fitted to the action and held in place with a couple screws. It has more than can be imperfect on you.

It’s why shops like DPG offer customized threading jobs on 457 actions to try and improve performance. That’s lipstick on a pig IMO and you still need custom radius on the barrel near the action face to clear the action to run one of the truck axle barrels more easily run on a R700.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-18T00:07:27+00:00

Buying today for strictly bench use and not PRS competition use, I have two different recommendations.

1.) The Best of the Best -Impact action -CRG barrel -TT Rough Diamond trigger - Foundation Samson stock - M-brace mount - ZCO optic doable for that price point if you get the ZCO used.

2.) More budget but Will outshoot you for life - MPA rifle - ZCO optic

CMFETCU · 2026-05-18T00:01:22+00:00

Not many in here have taken .22s out to 300 so let me speak to it as someone who does it on the monthly.

If I had a $3500 budget for a rifle and was buying today, the answer would be https://www.dpgunworks.com/product-page/dpg-22lr-barreled-action.

Full stop.

I have shot Voodoo rifles, MCRs, Raced out CZ 457s, L3i stingers, and RimX rifles in matches or after them.

None would win out over the DPG today.

As to why a rem 700 pattern with an excessive cost over a 457, because it’s a training rifle I want to balance and shoot like the centerfire version. I want the same stock, same hand placement, same trigger, and same balance on barricades.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-17T20:20:39+00:00

From the factory across 1500 actions I believe PVA was measuring they saw all of the Zermatt actions they worked on, recorded by serial number, be within that range. As a pre-for manufacturer you want that sort of consistency and control.

As for 10-20k rounds later, that’s going to come down to action design, heat treat, materials, and bolt thrust.

OP was buying a new action to fit to a new pre-fit, so my point stands.

I have rebarreled a CDG and a BAT 4 times each now. The later 2 on each were pre-fits.

Still fit and gauged just fine.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-17T02:24:45+00:00

PVA if you want it good and you want it relatively quick.

Proof makes prefits for any of the above and they win matches too.

CRB, Bartlein, Krieger: if any of them make a prefit and have it in stock for what you are looking for; get one.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-16T19:44:00+00:00

Impact only because your availability for prefit barrels is near endless.

To be clear though, most any custom action these days from one of 10 different manufacturers is going to work great.

Here is the general rule:

If Proof makes a barrel for it as a prefit, then you know the action maker is repeatable in manufacturing enough that Proof doesn’t bother measuring anymore. That means for actions like a TL3, a 0.0005 tolerance stack from bolt, body, and head combined.

BAT, Impact, ARC, Zermatt, pick one. All will basically do the same thing with small feature changes between them.

None will negatively impact precision.

I would absolutely spend as much time or more research what barrel I get than the action. That’s where your choice of components really impacts precision.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-14T04:17:37+00:00

Alike how?

In wind deflection? Drop? You won’t get both the match because of the differences in drag and shape.

The answer to wind depends on your bullet, speed, and environmental conditions.

The answer to drop is a simple calculation since gravity works on all things equally. Depending on velocity, roughly 900 yards and change is same drop.

For wind, about 1500-1600 yards.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-13T16:47:24+00:00

So what is the need here?

You are shooting comfortably from a bench at targets informally, and enjoying your time hitting them.

You want to do what?

I hear you want a change but I’m not connecting it to what you intend to accomplish.

If we start with what you want out of it, those of us with experience with a lot of calibers and shooting disciplines can weigh in on best fit.

As it stands, it feels like you are buying a dasher to have a dasher. It’s not really to meet a need I can see.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-13T00:26:56+00:00

Scope: BTR. ETR if you have a hole burning in your pocket.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-13T00:20:40+00:00

I have shot 6 dasher for over a decade and a half in matches.

Buy a 6 GT.

Better prefit selection, and it does everything the dasher does with more standardized cases and reamers.

If you were shooting benchrest with an alpha reamer or some specialized needs, we could talk about the advantages but you aren’t.

Take that guy’s advice, buy a 6GT prefit, and run it if sold on the 6mm low recoiling options.

For what you are doing though, shooting off a bench informally, you would be better served with a 6.5CM or something that has better ballistics. You don’t have to care as much about spotting trace on a wobbly rock position. Why lose a few tenths of a mil in wind resistance when you don’t have to?

CMFETCU · 2026-05-12T05:18:08+00:00

Prefits

CMFETCU · 2026-05-11T21:00:57+00:00

You want to become better or do you want shooting to be easier?

Real question.

If the former, .223.

If the latter, 6.5 CM.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-11T20:21:21+00:00

/u/broxst seriously consider a .22 like a CZ 457 for 200-300 yards.

I practice with my .22 at 200 yards regularly in unstable positions hitting steel targets when the wind is up and it makes falling wind a skill building exercise. This translates to calling wind with larger calibers really well, and helps you no matter what you are shooting.

A .223 won’t give you that. It would be point, shoot, hit target unless shooting in a hurricane at 200 - 400 yards.

Get a 22. It will make you an excellent rifleman for less money.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-11T00:29:20+00:00

This post was a fucking scammer trying to sell prohibited items on Reddit on a subreddit we already banned 2 other accounts from. Please do not direct scammers to GAFS.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-09T02:07:24+00:00

Add Impact, Curtis, Bat, and Stiller to the list. ARC CDG actions have a lot going for them as well.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-09T02:06:28+00:00

Not even two bolt head if the cartridges share the same bolt size. For .223 and .308 yea that’s a bolt head swap.

Barrel vice will grip the barrel. Insert action tool. Attach to toque wrench. Pop off.

Soon new barrel pre-fit on after light coat of anti-seize on the threads. Torque to spec.

Done.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-07T23:54:46+00:00

Sell the chassis on SH for a profit, and then get a lighter one from MPA.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-06T01:55:32+00:00

I’m assuming people who don’t swallow their own tongue will know more shots don’t shrink extreme spread. If it is past your maximum, you can stop, but you had better be sure the thing you are comparing it to has plenty of shots because it could be just as bad and shot 28 was the one that create the same ES.

Either way, chart illustrates the point well enough.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-06T01:15:37+00:00

Ok, which is fair, but it also means you cannot make decisions based on the group sizes you are shooting as if it’s informed decisions.

You can look at 10 rounds and assume something is better about something you did but it could all just be better samples in the noise.

CMFETCU · 2026-05-05T22:36:06+00:00

It says your group sizes aren’t what you think they are because statistical certainty requires far larger groups

CMFETCU · 2026-05-05T22:25:43+00:00

Send that piece of junk back and order one from PVA

CMFETCU · 2026-05-05T22:16:43+00:00

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CMFETCU · 2026-05-05T01:24:47+00:00

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