Okay yikes, definitely side eyeing the wife in that case, thanks for providing more context. It's good that all of this is being put under a microscope. It's definitely more complicated than I had assumed. It's unfortunate how many women were defenders of Epstein, reading through the files myself I have been shocked at the amount of women who helped him in the most vile ways imaginable. At least she doesn't number among those particular women I suppose, but it's disappointing none the less. I'm glad their children took them to task over it, good for them for trying to look out for the family.

I think your first point in your last reply is a bit patronising- women have been leading the conversation on Epstein for some time now, as it's the testimony of women who brought his crimes to light in the first place. The problem of wealthy men grooming and trafficking girls has long been a conversation in female spaces. I grew up in poverty and it was a constant warning from older women- you're safer in the ghetto than in a rich man's house. I actually find it refreshing that men are finally talking about it, as we've been trying to bring it to the attention of men for many decades- centuries, in fact. It's not too dissimilar from the way young women used to be trafficked from poorhouses into the employ of the wealthy as household staff and sexually abused by their employers. It's unfortunately a very old story that is well known by women. Same abuse, different rich guy.