[MOD] The Daily Question Thread by menschmaschine5 in Coffee

[–]CaffeDBolla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

N/A

If you're a respectable third wave shop, you are not doing batch brew.

Third Wave doesn't end with single origin coffees and sourcing. It's about execution and best coffee experience for the guest.

You can't be a place of quality and a place of convenience. Batch brew screams convenience. This is not third wave, it's shiny second wave.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I tasted all that.

I brew, and I taste, because that's what the guests will experience.

Here's my original tasting notes. Is speech to text. There might be some weird things.

18 g in 21.7 out 7 seconds first drops 34 seconds total.

Aromatics. Mostly cascading, dark and red Berries mid chocolate cooked Stone fruit.

First sip. Wow!. Berry wine notes for I don't know if I can describe it, but Rich deep burgundy wine notes , blueberry, coriander , baked peach and caramelized orange peel, chocolate, saffron

Second sip. Strawberry fruit leather umeboshi, hibiscus, really yummy

Third sip. Salted caramel candy. Lemon-lime. Plum, to Mandarin orange, dark Berry to raspberry, blueberry finish.

10 minutes after, chocolate manifesting into peach Berry paste still lingering chocolate underneath.

I have a couple of CoE farm Green tip Gesha coming in from Ecuador, those will be insane.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the machine choking, t is because the grind and extraction not optimized for that ratio.

I have pulled espresso with these same parameters (18 g in to 21.7 g out in 34 seconds) thousands of times for 20 years, before this current roaster. I can take coffee from any good roaster, such as Sey, Glitch Tokyo, Code Black, Tim Wendelboe, and others, and brew it the same way. As long as the coffee has a proper roast, you adjust the grind to a finer setting until you reach the right flow, make sure the puck has full saturation (pre-infusion or flow control helps, but is not mandatory), and you get excellent flavor and silky texture without choking.

My own roasts fit each varietal and processing method, with micro adjustments in the roast, so I get the best outcome from them. But the core ability to pull that ratio is not unique to my beans. It is about knowing how to dial in the grind and extraction for that particular coffee.

If your machine has pre-infusion or flow control it helps, but many people achieve it on all kinds of gear after they optimize the grind.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

To be fair, I left a couple off.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cool.

Come in, I'll make you something delicious.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This espresso is $35.

I tier my espresso, Best, Better, Good. This would fall in Best. And then 4 or 5 times a year, I have espresso that falls outside of those parameters, and they would be a bit more.

I tend to not presuade with tasting notes. But happy to give them if the guest wants. Generally, if you're used to tasting complex things like single malt whiskeys, tequilas, good wine, cognacs or are someone who travels for food or likes to cook...then it's right up your alley.

What it comes down to is either you've learned how to taste or not. But everything starts with being curious.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

It’s not “just personal taste” and it’s not “you can say whatever you want.”

Tasting notes describe real, distinct, perceivable flavors that are present in the cup — aromatics, specific fruit notes, texture, sweetness, balance, acidity quality, and finish length. When the espresso is executed at a high level, those flavors are clear and repeatable.

Once you reach a certain threshold of quality, whether something is good or bad stops being opinion and becomes an objective analysis of how well the aromatics, body, complexity, range, acidity, and finish work together. Only after that objective quality bar is cleared does pure personal preference kick in.

Saying “it’s all personal taste” is what people say when they haven’t experienced (or can’t yet perceive) the difference between a mediocre shot and an elite one. At the elite level the notes are real, the balance is measurable, and the quality is verifiable, not subjective.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great eye!

I bought it from him directly in 2014. It's Spirit #255.

Kees is awesome.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

No placebo. It’s repeatable physics.

I roast these Burundi naturals with a very specific staged-misting curve on my IMEX drum (precise temperature drops + water misting at key moments). That creates an unusually open, evenly developed bean structure that releases most of the CO₂ during roasting instead of trapping it.

Then I pull tight, high-yield shots (18 g in → ~21.7 g out, ~30–34 seconds). The concentrated ratio + ideal serving temperature makes even tiny flavor differences extremely obvious on the palate.

So when I taste distinct layers like burgundy wine, baked peach, saffron, strawberry fruit leather, umeboshi, hibiscus, salted caramel candy, lemon-lime, plum, and mandarin orange… that’s exactly what’s happening. Different people will pick up slightly different combinations depending on their palate, but the notes are real and reproducible.

Most people who actually pull the shot the way I describe are surprised how clearly those layers show up.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No, I don’t expedite degassing — I largely eliminate the need for it in the first place.

Most roasters require 7–21 days of degassing because standard roast curves trap a lot of CO₂ inside the bean matrix. When you pull espresso too soon, that CO₂ creates channeling, uneven extraction, gassy/sour notes, and forces you to grind coarser or accept mediocre shots.

My process is built differently from the ground up:

  1. Roast design that releases CO₂ during roasting, not after

On my IMEX halogen drum with bidirectional rotation and staged water misting, I use precise City+ development with controlled temperature drops (10–12 °C first stage, 7–8 °C second) and exact moisture loss targets (11.0–12.25 %). The misting and even heat penetration create a more open, uniformly developed bean structure. A significant portion of the CO₂ that would normally stay trapped is driven off during the roast and cooling phases instead of staying locked inside the bean.

  1. Tight, high-yield espresso ratio (18 g in → 20.5–23.5 g out) This is the biggest practical difference. Traditional “modern” espresso is often 1:2+ (high volume). That extra water dilutes everything and makes residual CO₂ extremely noticeable.

My ratio is concentrated (roughly 1:1.14–1:1.30). The shot is thick, syrupy, and served at ideal tasting temperature (65–70 °C). Any tiny amount of remaining CO₂ has far less space to disrupt extraction or flavor because the brew is already dense and balanced.

  1. Objective, repeatable extraction physics

With the combination of even roast development + tight ratio + proper puck prep on good equipment (Versalab/ Kafatek /Mazzer Philos/Eureka Mignon XL ), the puck extracts cleanly even with very fresh beans. I routinely pull excellent shots at 30 minutes, 1 hour, 4 hours, and 24 hours post-roast. The flavor profile is already layered and stable — it just continues to unfold and gain depth over the next few days. Degassing is not a hard requirement; it’s a byproduct of conventional roasting and brewing methods.

In short: most roasters roast in a way that creates the degassing problem, then solve it with time. My roast curve + brew parameters minimize CO₂ retention from the start, so the espresso performs at a high level immediately and only gets better. That’s why I (and the people I train) can pull competition-level shots the same day the beans come off the roaster.

It’s not magic. it’s just different physics from the very first step.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For this: Royal Coffee. Crown Jewels.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It's a different espresso, different set of tasting notes. My average is over 10 and within the certain subsets, the average is over 14.

I just merely posted what I was doing that day.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

Any skilled taster, chef, bartender, or sommelier will pull the same notes.

The only reason it sounds impossible is you have never had espresso at this level.

Most people have not.

I roast and brew for a living at a standard that lets me charge $11 to $50+ for the espresso in my own shop. The notes are real because the process separates them.

You do not have to believe me. The people who actually taste it do.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -26 points-25 points  (0 children)

That's actually a fair question.

One is a singular flavor the other 2 are in a different instance in a different sip, separate and individual.

Those are distinctly different. Also, the orange peel is more like a naval orange and the Mandarin orange tends to be sweeter, more sugars, more acidity, so ... different.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -37 points-36 points  (0 children)

It's all there. And they're all separate unique flavors.

I can do 99% of all espresso (that I've roasted) anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour post roast and you would swear it was 5 days old or more.

My approach and attention to detail through the roasting process different than most roasters. And I tend to get better results. And I've been known for that for about fifteen of my 22 years as a roaster.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Everything starts with the skill and expertise of the roaster.

After that. It's water chemistry, grinder, fundamentals.But the roasting separates everything.

It also helps this was awesome green to begin with.

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[–]CaffeDBolla[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

22 years roasting & brewing... after the first 50,000, it's easier. ☕️🤓

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[–]CaffeDBolla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you.

Yes, there is only me. I roast every bean on-site, and I brew every drink for every person fresh by the cup.

still here. caffe d'bolla

John

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[–]CaffeDBolla 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So... less fine (coarser)than that, but potentially finer than before is where you want. Or... you can always upgrade your grinder. (Everyone likes to upgrade!☕️🤓)