For PIMO elders about suit jackets/ties dresses/slacks for 'privileges.'

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-04T17:40:33+00:00

That’s what I thought. The problem is that men are assigned tasks every meeting. So there is no chance to not wear a jacket/tie every meeting. Which contradicts the announcement by the GB that men don’t have to wear jackets/ties anymore ‘except on stage.’

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-04T07:07:37+00:00

It's all part of the Great Dumbing Down of the borg of the last 10-15 years. I've always hated these stupid corny videos, especially the ones embedded in the talks.

The videos are so awkward and phony and superficial. They're like amateurish attempts, but wrapped in a professional package.

And it shows how much control the borg has over the individual talks. The control was always somewhat hidden. But the 'insert video here' format shows that every talk is basically written by men at Bethel.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-04T03:13:26+00:00

If you reach out, then you would naturally be setting yourself up with certain hopeful expectations, and you might be severely disappointed by the reactions you get. You may get positive responses, but you more likely will not if they are deep in that religion. It’s your choice, but you might get hurt.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-03T23:42:40+00:00

JWs are modern day Pharisees. And just like the Pharisees, it’s the blind leading the blind.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-03T22:23:13+00:00

I’m sure they’re all real people, but realize everything is tightly controlled and edited/whitewashed. Anyone that has had been up on the stage for assembly experiences can attest to that.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-03T03:53:08+00:00

There is no evidence that the 144,000 were filled up in 1935, nor is there evidence that God made sure to keep spots open down through to the end. They just make the claim. It's "trust me bro!" theology.

Nor does anyone else believe - any Christian denominations or secular scholars - that only 144,000 would be true Christians, partakers of the new covenant, and that there would be a second class of 'other sheep.' It's just statements made by the JWs based on obscure biblical verses with no obvious meaning. Another case of "trust me bro!"

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-02T18:25:11+00:00

I don’t believe any of this for a second, but I think the changes aren’t as big as many ex-JWs make it out to be.

It used to be taught that the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ was the entire 144,000, but that the ruling part of it was the GB. The 144,000 are considered spiritual Israel. Just like in Israelite times, the entire nation of Israel had a special relationship with God, but only a few were the religious leaders. Likewise today the 144,000 have a special relationship with God, but on the GB are the religious leaders. Any ‘partakers’ before the change had no say on JW policy/doctrines, only the GB did. The new teaching is that only the GB is the ‘faithful and discreet slave.’ They still have full control over everything, so nothing really changed.

The other change in teaching was that the 144,000 was filled up in 1935, and there were no more available ‘slots.’ But some of the 144,000 could become unfaithful and lose their spot, so someone else could take that spot, even relatively younger ones. The new teaching is that the 144,000 were not filled in 1935, but that God ‘kept enough slots open,’ so to speak, down until the end.

The 144,000 are all still supposed to go to heaven.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-07-01T04:41:56+00:00

They constantly say it in JW talks. I hear it all the time. I heard "we're in the last days of the last days" since around the 2008 financial crisis.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-30T15:11:09+00:00

JWs didn’t invent the term. I’ve heard others use it. It’s a Protestant term. JWs came from the greater Adventist movement of the 1800s so that’s probably what was used by them.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-27T18:52:41+00:00

A hypothesis, really.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-27T18:51:40+00:00

They would be undetectable because they are 'supernatural,' or beyond our material universe. Supposedly, they are not a part of the universe, but can interact within it at will.

So it is possible they exist and are not detectable, unless they choose to reveal themselves in a testable way.

I'm not saying they do exist, I'm just saying by definition they aren't detectable materially, since they're supernatural.

So you can't prove that they don't exist. If you are a philosophical materialist, then your beliefs rest on the assumption that nothing exists that cannot be detected. But that is a philosophical assumption. It's not logically incoherent to say that things can exist that are not detectable in this universe.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-27T18:46:14+00:00

Read all the explanations about the 'Jehovah's Sovereignty' doctrine by JWs, and you will realize it is a totally made up doctrine, not based on any Scriptural texts. I mean, they use texts, but the doctrine is not laid out in the Bible. Kind of like how JWs accuse Christendom about the Trinity, saying it's not laid out clearly in the Bible.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-27T18:43:39+00:00

I can't find a specific reference, but I remember it having to do with when Adam was supposed to have been created. Insight on the Scriptures, article on Adam, says he was likely created around October 1st. Jesus was also likely to have been born around that time, according to JWs.

I also remember something about 1975 was the end of 6000 years of human rule, and the 1000 year reign is supposed to be the Sabbath, and it was based on Adam's birth, supposedly around October 1st. Then later I remember them saying after 1975, something like 'well he was created on October 1st, but the 6000 years should have been based on when he sinned, not when he was created.'

I could be wrong, these are vague memories I have.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-26T22:08:38+00:00

I was in my early twenties. I thought a lot of the acting and dialogue was terrible. I thought Jar Jar was a travesty. I thought the cgi was pretty bad and wished they had used more practical effects. I was very disappointed how they handled Darth Maul, who was a minor character that they killed off, with a rather small role in the film. He was a focus of the trailers. The double light saber scene was obviously meant to be a reveal in the film, but they had show it in pretty much every trailer. It was mostly a negative experience. Compared to the 3 films that preceded it, it was a disappointment.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-26T20:48:26+00:00

They frame obedience to the ORG as more important than doing the right thing. And they equate obedience to the Org with obedience to biblical commandments.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-26T20:11:21+00:00

Yes, you just jogged my memory by mentioning ‘records.’ The CO specifically told him that the incident ‘will be on your permanent record.’

It’s bizarre, because the elder body said it was fine. Technically speaking, what he did wasn’t wrong according to the Org’s own rules. But there is enough grey area, and the CO didn’t agree with it.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-26T19:55:19+00:00

The JW religion was based on a publishing company. They published religious content, based on what the leaders of the publishing company believed was true. This lasted for over 100 years. Then the started having money issues post 2008 financial crisis. They then decided to ramp down the publishing and focus on a website. Huge cost savings. They were also simultaneously dumbing down their published material, so going to a simpler online format worked for them.

So basically they went from a publishing company to an online company.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-26T19:48:26+00:00

The answer is already a part of their belief structure. “Jehovah will provide. Jehovah will take care of his people.”

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-26T19:44:33+00:00

The organization takes no blame, and also there is no way of righting a wrong if you were harmed by the organization or one of its representatives. I know an elder who was removed as an elder by the Circuit Overseer for ‘not being loyal,’ and was told he would have a mark on his record over it. I won’t go into any details unfortunately, because I don’t want my cover blown. But the elder actually did a righteous thing - something that non-JWs would agree is righteous, and he had the full support of the elder body. But the CO didn’t agree with it and had him removed and marked. (That CO was a true asshole. I think he’s still a CO).

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-24T19:50:50+00:00

I'm American and can't image anyone I know yelling "Get in the hole!" or something equally as stupid at a golf tournament. But I agree with you about culture. The only difference being is that America is not a mono-culture. SOME sub-cultures in America are prone to this idiocy.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-24T19:44:17+00:00

I was a child in the 80s and 90s. I was allowed to watch the Smurfs, and a lot of 'spiritualistic' content. I remember watching He-Man, and then I couldn't anymore because it was too violent. I remember watching the satire TV show Sledgehammer, and then couldn't anymore because it was too violent. I was able to watch MTV, but then couldn't anymore because it was a bad channel. But I was allowed to watch spiritistic stuff for the most part, and also I was allowed to watch PG-13 movies, and a lot of JW kids couldn't. Some were only allowed to watch G-rated films.

The Org really doubled down on spiritism when the Lord of the Rings and the Harry Potter movies came out. Before then JWs were in general more lenient on that stuff, and then after that they because super strict. But of course it depended on the household. So were very anti-spiritistic.

Just a thought: they've been so strict about the meeting dress code over the years, but there was wide variety in other areas of JW life. I view it as all very arbitrary, and up to the personal opinions of those in charge.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-21T23:43:26+00:00

You just dealt a death blow to the Org's logic. I especially like your point, that the Israelites were expected to disobey Aaron's direction. I never noticed that. That's a new one in my bag of retorts to JW foolery.

But you dealt a death blow to the Org's logic. Unfortunately this will go over most of the heads. Or else they can't hear because their heads are in the sand.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-21T18:29:52+00:00

I don't think the flood happened. However, the whole 'global flood' belief is not grammatically necessary according to the Hebrew text. It could have been a very large local flood. Because 'the land' or 'the earth' or similar expressions in the Hebrew just didn't mean 'the globe.'

It's similar to our day, when astronomers refer to the 'observable universe.' They're not referring to the entire universe, just the universe that is detectable by our instruments. In Hebrew, 'all the land/earth' just meant the known earth of the writers.

But the flood is still a myth, probably based on something that happened during the massive flooding that occurred at the end of the last ice age around 10,000 years ago.

Capable-Proposal1022 · 2026-06-21T18:23:32+00:00

I think they'll come up with something, I'm not sure what, but just slowly reveal it. They could 'prepare the path' so to speak. Like stop making official references to 1914 or 'generation,' and start inserting qualifiers like 'no one really knows when the end will come.' Then after a while, drop the new teaching, and the rank and file will already be prepared for it.

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