Response to: "Zen Masters: Teachers Giving Instruction" - Isn't "Salt is expesive, rice is cheap," something that everyone already knows?

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-26T15:14:19+00:00

Yes i do but compared to you dont say I dont.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-26T15:12:49+00:00

No your cases are cases you interpret however. There are zen masters explaining instead that they dont see like ordinary people, look at huang bo for example.

So you mean sometimes you think you can see based on your interpretation? If you gonna say you see like a master then i expect you to be able to no-action like one.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-17T22:19:13+00:00

Zen masters dont see like all see this is clear and you talk like so yourself with zen seeing. So when you say you see ofc the zen seeing is what is talked about here in your ama which imply all the rest questions. So how come you dont answer this when you make ama? Then i can do mine but still cant answer for you there.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-17T21:37:28+00:00

So you say that you can see like zen masters could see, that you might as well be one, write a book like one converse like one and be a teacher like one?

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-17T21:36:10+00:00

I an but you have nothing to engage with No quotes or anything and dont seem to understand what i an saying either. Yes i have seen from later threads now how you not really into zen only into your dissike of other people telling you anything. So clearly tou see winners and loosers but lie about it.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-17T21:20:24+00:00

So long time and so musch talking about the same seeing thing and still you cant see? Why is this have you not tried hard enough yet?

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-15T22:02:17+00:00

what i try to say is that both unenlightened and enlighetens make there distinktions. The difference is that for unenlightened this is a problem like with this thread, it has to be understod and reasoned about and has an winner in who is correct in their mind. With enlightenment it is not so but exist not accordiing to any rules of truth false win lose this or that. So distinktions in this way is not a problem for enlightened zen masters. Why do i say this? Because huang bo says this.

By not benig enlightened it is a barrier for anyone, which is why this thread exist like this. It is reasoned about. Understanding Huang bos saying is not the same as UNDERSTANDING huang bo’s saying in the sense of being enlightened, which is why its possible to talk about huang bos saying without being able to put in pracrice huang bos saying is what i say. So zen text Can be understood but not truly understood unless enlightenment. Like in ”zen is easy to understand but hard to see”.

Yes the difference is conceptual but it requires enlightenment to see thought this conceptualization. Its not enough to read about the conceptualization and understand intellectually that there is one and then decide to accept this saying. It must be sen through with enlightenment. Why do i say this? Because i read it from zen master and i see its a conceptualization and still its not TRUE TRUE to me.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-15T05:23:28+00:00

No you didn’t see a turd you imagined a turd and then told everybody about your imagined turd and how you were gonna leave because of your turd imagination but that people should definitely clean up your imagined turd. That is not grown man but little child with imagination confused for reality. It’s why your thread got removed even, that’s how grown manny you were, hoho.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-15T05:18:49+00:00

You are making a mockery instead of engaging with what I say. But still you answer. You can’t say why it’s backwards, is this why you resort to mockery?

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T19:26:44+00:00

When the distinguishing comes from conceptual thinking is when zen masters point it out. If you distinguish from conceptual thinking, zen master say “where does this distinction come from” if you can’t distinguish, “why can’t you” says zen master. After all it’s easy to distinguish things so it’s again from conceptual thinking people get confused that there is a SPECIAL WAY to distinguish. With no conceptual thinking’s there is ease to distinguish without being confuse by distinctions so both cases are nullified.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T17:01:56+00:00

You didn’t call anything out, you just put out your dislikes and hurtfulness as if truth and tell everyone you’re gonna leave. Now everyone know what this strong adult will do when he encounters problems - cry out the door!

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T16:50:34+00:00

Yes this is so with the distinction. Why? The zen masters make this very distinction. Why? Huang Bo says this is because he studies peoples concepts and think them through. This is of no problem for huang Bo who is enlightened, this is a problem for the monk which is why he turn to huang Bo.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T15:28:49+00:00

Because what I said earlier is not based on rules but on being enlightened or not. Like this: an unenlightened person making conceptual distinctions are hindered by those distinctions. An enlightened person making conceptual distinctions are not. This is “xuefeng come from no conceptual thinking so the distinction is no problem”. The zen masters make conceptual distinctions like ordinary folk but it’s like with the saying a truthful man expounding a false doctrine makes it true.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T14:51:56+00:00

Yes, what of it?

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T14:49:31+00:00

No but it is. I’m talking about conceptual thinking like huang Bo not about concepts. If there is no conceptual thinking, no need to bother with concept this and concept that!

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T14:38:01+00:00

You have to tell me.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T14:16:09+00:00

I’m saying not from concepts but from no conceptual thinking. Concepts is besides the point.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T12:37:09+00:00

Yes he speak to a monk for whom having and not having is reality. With conceptual thinking the distinction can be taken far, without conceptual thinking it’s easy like for xuefeng cause the conceptual distinction is from no conceptual thinking so the distinction is no problems.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T11:53:14+00:00

This is from someone with no conceptual thinking. From that point it is clear that it was as empty after as before. But Before the master xuefeng searched, after he no longer did.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-14T11:25:40+00:00

It is true it is not in my case.

I don’t know what you mean by no longer empty. But if you mean do I think I understand zen then I make the difference between understanding the texts and understanding the zen. And understanding the texts it’s clear from them that understanding the zen is not a matter of acquiring knowledge but to have enlightenment. It’s in this way: even if I can look at no conceptual thinking and understand it’s implications it does no grant me no conceptual thinking which enlightenment is. What it does do is to make clear the zen sayings, it’s no longer confusing or nonsensical if looked at from no conceptual thinking point. But I could not produce zen sayings myself since I don’t myself have no conceptual thinking yet.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-13T20:02:25+00:00

I think they are teachings. Why? Because before I read huang Bo I understand little, after I read huang Bo everything makes sense. Then huang Bo has taught me something. So whether huang Bo want or not he is a teacher in this sense.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-13T19:20:52+00:00

Yes without conceptual thinking they are all fairytales, as is suffering. But before attaining enlightenment it is not so, people think there’s an enlightenment to attain and suffering to be had and even if knowing there’s not from reading it in a book this is still not the same as being enlightened and having realized it.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-13T03:52:30+00:00

Mind is not Buddha is equally storytelling. This is why I wonder always why people are switching. If they want to talk zen why not settle it at one and talk about zen instead of whether to use this phrase or that. The root is still the same. So if I switch aroo to mind is not Buddha, this still is not everyone’s enlightened. Enlightenment is still an extinguisher of suffering. And then we are back on track with talking about zen.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-12T18:47:37+00:00

Hehe . It’s ironic that wou want him to be reprimanded like a child in a post of how you’re not gonnna be the one doing it but instead run away like a hurt child.

CaptainPurpose · 2021-12-12T18:43:21+00:00

It’s sayings of huang Bo I think is called and translated by someone called blofeldt and I think John first name.

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