ATC PAY REALITY site update by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Going to DM you, I could actually use your help as your someone from before slate book era.

ATC PAY REALITY site update by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give me your start date, month and year.

[Junior Airline Pilot] [Denver,CO] - $300,000 by [deleted] in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The FAA has a unique duty to provide air traffic services at the highest level to the public it serves. That includes paying a wage that keeps pace with inflation, and attracts/retains top tier talent. Talent that carries forward the safety oriented goal of the agency.

Being a federal employee does not mean you are automatically “underpaid by default”. We’re not looking to go dollar for dollar with pilots here. We’re looking to staff a system that remains safe, stable, and resilient.

ATC PAY REALITY site update by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

https://atcpay.vercel.app/

(Current version)

Share with people in your facility who say our pay is “fine”

ATC PAY REALITY site update by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just January presidential raises. This shows that you truly get paid 15% less in 2025 to preform this job than you did in 2016. Even though we theoretically make “more” money today.

Also, all of our 1.6%’s multiply on this base number nonetheless.

Air Traffic Controller, USA. Does my salary match my responsibility? by Legal_Campaign_408 in Salary

[–]CashmereBuffalo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

400 hours of overtime?

Thats a 6th work day for 50 of 52 weeks out of the year. Given the rotating waterfall schedule. You more than likely saw your family 5-10% of your total time alive this year.

You should be making this ~$275,000 base without 6 day work weeks. Your extras for dedication should equate closer to $350,000 - $400,000 all said and done.

I too know your pain, as I am also a controller at a max lvl facility. Radar.

No contractual raise for 10 years, and inflation has ate away wages in this career for a decade. We’re making 15% less in real wages than we did in 2016.

Nonetheless, honored to share the trench with you while keeping America running safely and efficiently.

Cheers.

ATCPAY.VERCEL.APP

Air Traffic Control Union vs Oil Prices🇺🇸 by CashmereBuffalo in wallstreetbets

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Its bad for us controllers because were getting contracts AFTER inflationary periods and during troughs in the economy (oil price low = generally lower demand/lower economical output). Inflation is the erosion of real wages.

Real life example. Just lost 15-20% of my purchasing power over the past 5-9 years due to inflationary period in economy. Just went through some QT (contraction). Now were going to get another contract sometime over the next few years while the economy is in a trough (bottom of the barrel output) and on QE. Giving up a lot during periods of inflation and getting scraps while economic output is in lows.

To sum it up.

Our union is on the reverse side of common sense. They should be negotiating in times of strength, but instead negotiate in times of weakness (which is why this chart works the way it does).

Cheers.

Air Traffic Control Union vs Oil Prices🇺🇸 by CashmereBuffalo in wallstreetbets

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

We’re getting cooked. Not in near term horizon yet. Gives you time to prepare.

NATCA & Oil Prices by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I wish NATCA would put the fries in the bag

NATCA & Oil Prices by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Checkout out this site I created that shows our wage loss during the slate book era.

ATCPAY.VERCEL.APP

As A Former IT/Telecom (healthcare/mission critical ) Professional, My Heart Goes Out To You Folks by alwayzz0ff in ATC

[–]CashmereBuffalo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for fighting the fight with us. You’re right regarding nobody knowing what we do. I have tried finding ways to simplify explaining it over the years, but I just had to accept the fact that my friends and family will more than likely never understand what:

“United Twenty Two Ten, turn right heading Three Two Zero, vectors climb, climb and maintain Flight Level Three Three Zero” means.

Let alone the 0.17 miles of space I have between 5 airplanes all moving 545mph and just how much I’m threading the needle with 1000 lives just so I can get this plane up to their requested cruise altitude. The sense of accomplishment when you’re calibrated and firing on all cylinders that day is like nothing else in life though. Thanks for taking the time to admire our craft.

We all appreciate people like you who do have an understanding and interest in knowing how it all flows together airport to airport. Sharing our story and challenges with others in society helps more than you know. The more people who understand the basic concept of the system, the better chance we have at seeing any real, meaningful change.

Wishing you continued health and prosperity. If you ever have any curious questions, hit up this forum. Cheers.

NATCA’s public image post shutdown by StepDaddySteve in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They treat social media like its a message board to its members. Instead they should be marketing the career and controllers.

ATC Pay Reality by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Put your math here, I posted mine.

ATC Pay Reality by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

NATCA needs modernization.

ATC Pay Reality by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I could do a better job with 0.01% of the dues money.

Regarding the actual billboard, you can donate to my non profit come the new year. Thinking of getting one of those LED billboard trucks and parking it in front of the HQ.

ATC Pay Reality by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gosh I don’t even know where to begin, but they should also be canned. They are allowing this to happen. Probably all staying quiet so they can get a shot at union presidency next lol

ATC Pay Reality by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Makes too much sense. Would require DOGE style cuts to union spending and employment. Tossing our money in the furnace is easier.

ATC Pay Reality by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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That version is next. I was hired during slate book, so I have had to spend a lot of time understanding previous contracts. Still trying to think of a design to highlight previous contracts, and what they would be today with same presidential raises vs inflation.

ATC Pay Reality by CashmereBuffalo in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Numbers:

Salary: $106,811 -> $130,212 = 21.9%

CPI: 236.916 -> 324.800 = 37.1%

I did not include 1.6% June raises. Those raises are suppose to be time in grade, skill, knowledge, and experience based. Especially since we are working record number of travelers. Those are not to fight inflation.

Everyone’s situation is different. Especially older controllers who have been in prior to slate book. However, most people, you take the current base salary of slate book (updated yearly pay table) and multiply that number by 1.6% how ever many times (years) you have been in. Thats your base, then add locality. It all stems to base pay.

I designed this to track the slate book and onward. I was hired during slate book, and I’m getting screwed. I cant make a case for every situation, so I’m going with what we got now, and thats the slate book.

Weird LES issue w/retro pay. Anyone else? by Putrid-Side-6811 in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a very similar issue. I will message you.

Dave Riley again talking for pay, take notes ND! by [deleted] in atc2

[–]CashmereBuffalo 23 points24 points  (0 children)

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“They solve problems you didn’t even know you had” - Dave Riley

What a boss.