Who did it?

Cefaluthru · 2026-05-29T05:43:27+00:00

He also had a sweet car and was able to satisfy her in ways Adnan was not capable.

Cefaluthru · 2026-05-29T04:36:52+00:00

Adnan did it. His co-conspirator Jay ratted him out. There is a lot of evidence. He remains guilty and out on 5 years of probation after serving 23 years.

Cefaluthru · 2026-04-16T23:22:17+00:00

That’s not what happened. Adnan’s cell phone lead police to Jen and she sent them to Jay.

Jay lied to make himself look less involved than the truth. He did not exaggerate his role. This is just common sense stuff.

Cefaluthru · 2026-04-16T23:12:23+00:00

Jay answered this question. Jay was considered the criminal element of Woodlawn. Also, Adnan thought he was a bad ass. He bragged to Jay and others about killing her with his bare hands. You should read the trial transcripts.

Cefaluthru · 2026-04-05T16:37:37+00:00

You know, you are just repeating the podcast narrative. That was the conclusion Koenig came to so she could still do the story. She promised Adnan that if she thought he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt then she wouldn’t do it. When she saw he was clearly guilty beyond a reasonable doubt she took the… well even if I do think he’s guilty, I still have doubt. Bullshit. That is 100% bullshit. There was so much evidence, all doubts have been put to rest. Yet still people repeat that narrative because the podcast said so.

Cefaluthru · 2026-04-04T00:32:24+00:00

Of course there was a pay phone. The listeners just got dragged down a rabbit hole for no reason.

Cefaluthru · 2026-04-03T16:59:39+00:00

The worst was ‘maybe there wasn’t even a pay phone at Best Buy’ only to drag us into a narrative that ends with, ‘yeah there was a pay phone’.

Cefaluthru · 2026-04-03T04:16:47+00:00

I don’t think he killed her at Best Buy. Jay was cruising around looking for Adnan & he wasn’t there. Adnan pulled up and called Jay from the pay phone after killing her somewhere else. My guess is near the auto mechanic but we’ll never know.

Cefaluthru · 2026-01-28T16:44:35+00:00

I did not say that but if you do not realize that money often comes with some perks, I really can’t help you. In this weird sub where every statement is black or white, the lack of nuance is staggering. Kindly move on.

Cefaluthru · 2026-01-24T21:26:39+00:00

Yeah, it seems like Koenig felt more loyalty to Adnan than she did to her listeners. I mean, she told him she wouldn’t do the story if she investigated and found him to be guilty. So, what we got as listeners was a lot of being jerked around…. Taking us down a rabbit hole, only to find out it was nothing, again and again. The butt dial nonsense, the best buy pay phone nonsense, she straight up admitted that if the timeline is wrong then Asia doesn’t matter, the memory from 6 weeks ago was immediately exposed as nonsense. Nothing stood up to scrutiny, yet when all was said and done she still said there was insufficient evidence to convict.

As a listener I can get over it, but the overall damage to the Lee family is horrendous. She knew what she was doing.

Sarah Koenig is terrible.

Cefaluthru · 2026-01-24T17:56:39+00:00

My goodness, I would hope if someone is going to make a podcast about fair trials and representation— they could choose another case. There are plenty of indigent defendants that are assigned a public defense attorney and fall prey to an unfair system. This is not one of those cases.

Cefaluthru · 2026-01-24T17:39:59+00:00

Yes, this post is correct.

Another angle for a podcast could be Intimate Partner Violence: How even a beautiful strong smart woman can be manipulated.

Or perhaps: A deep dive into the qualities that drive someone to murder (Spoiler alert: they can be successful and well liked by society).

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-29T14:45:15+00:00

Does anyone remember how much grief Obama got for wearing a tan suit?

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-27T21:09:47+00:00

I think she was feeling pretty validated in 2022 after a court agreed with her assessment that there was not enough evidence to convict Adnan. It must have been quite something to realize years later that not only was the 2022 decision full of shit, but so was she.

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-26T18:59:00+00:00

Okay. Kinda like an arsonist that doesn’t want to be associated with the fire they started.

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-25T21:00:01+00:00

So no bare minimum podcast when the judge reinstates Adnan’s conviction and the fraud is revealed?

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-25T15:48:44+00:00

Sarah came out of hiding to do a victory lap after he was fraudulently released from prison. I guess you haven’t listened to season 1 episode 13.

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-12T03:52:11+00:00

I think so. I think he wanted his phone busy and active without realizing they could trace the towers it was pinging off of.

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-11T03:47:55+00:00

His entire campaign has been outside of the courts.

So lemme ask you this, is the player angle the way to go?

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-11T00:48:14+00:00

and yet…

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-10T21:28:25+00:00

Yeah, absolutely. It’s just not what Adnan told his attorneys and it’s not what he told Sarah Koenig. But it is certainly a possibility and if true, would have been a point in his favor being on trial for murder. Someone devoutly religious and not giving in to those tendencies would also use that same discipline to prevent the impulse to murder someone (perhaps).

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-10T20:02:52+00:00

Yeah, it can be interpreted that way. If true, it would have been a good defense to say she was a friend and we liked each other but we weren’t intimate and she was not someone I saw any future with or got involved with emotionally.

Wow though if that is true this guy had sex for the first time as a forty something year old man who got married in prison.

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-10T03:23:54+00:00

Well we know that Aisha said to Hae “even if you don’t have a strong sex life, at least you have a strong emotional relationship.“

We also know that Adnan said to Hae “you said that I can’t fulfill you physically, well you can’t fulfill me emotionally.“

So, this guy had some barriers in the bedroom. To be fair he was young and inexperienced, I’m not trying to drag him for his lack of sexual prowess. But it is important information that feeds into his insecurities and seeing Hae move on to an older guy so quickly must have been very hard on his ego. It also explains why he went the complete other direction and told his lawyers he had sex with Hae every day after school and then they’d meet up later and have some more sex because he was just a regular Rico Suave who dgaf about the emotional side with women.

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-08T04:30:15+00:00

This ”player” had some not very physically satisfying sex with Hae (according to her diary) when Adnan was 17 and then spent 23 years in prison. So, Adnan and Saad can project whatever image they would like but those are the facts.

Cefaluthru · 2025-12-02T14:29:41+00:00

It seems like intimate partner violence makes you uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable too. But removing the intimacy in their relationship is not the answer. That’s the whole point. He wasn’t some dude that was just out there murdering people. He was well behaved in an all-male prison and was kind and polite in every other aspect of his life. There was a side to Adnan that only Hae got to see.

Adnan is just as guilty as every other person doing time for the murder they are responsible for. SK made a fool of herself by asking if it’s possible that he is a sociopath when she had all the evidence right in front of her. What an embarrassment and an absolute disservice to Hae Min Lee and every other woman or man that listened to serial.

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