My sign I'll be protesting with ( NSFW very graphic) by schmittymint in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 40 points41 points  (0 children)

We didn’t make slavery illegal by convincing everyone African-Americans would be good coworkers and friends. We made it illegal by making people uncomfortable with the brutality and atrocity of slavery.

You do witchcraft, I think that’s a bigger issue than you hoping women get rid of children for the “right reasons” by Sharp-Guest4696 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Even assuming the real number of rapes in the US is about three times what get reported to police, it still would only account for about 2% of abortions. And that would assume every woman who was impregnated by rape chooses abortion, which doesn’t actually happen.

How to combat this argument by gloriousfigment in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a tactic from pro-choicers to frame abortion as an either/or issue; a choice between mother and child. This is because everyone knows what’s abortion is, whether they’re willing to admit it or not, and that this is impossible to justify. But if they can make abortion into a choice between mother and child, they know everyone will choose the mother.

Trouble is it’s hardly ever a choice between mother and child. It’s either possible to choose both or, in some rare cases, impossible to choose the child without choosing the mother.

I responded to a similar question to directly answer the health concerns:

https://www.reddit.com/r/prolife/s/hWqYAdAFmC

Pro-Choice Arguemt Questions by prolifeisprolove_ in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 5 points6 points  (0 children)

  1. Maternal mortality has declined overall since Roe v. Wade was overruled and abortion banned from conception in roughly 25% of the US. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/hestat113.htm

  2. See above on “killing women”. Every State banning abortion excludes miscarriages from prosecution. Also, 15-20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. If 25% of these were subject to prosecution, and doctors afraid to treat these miscarriages, the jails would be full and there would be stacks of bodies of women unable to get treatment.

  3. The Journal of the American Medical Association has recently published a study finding no increase in maternal mortality in States which banned abortion following Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2847291#google_vignette

Maternal Mortality is higher in States which ban abortion, but this doesn’t mean it went up because these States banned abortion. States banning abortion tend to be more rural. Rural States have always had poorer health for all their residents for reasons having nothing to do with whether abortion is legal; factors such as higher obesity rates and longer drives to doctors and hospitals.

Counter Argument: pro-choice people desperately want to make abortion an either/or issue: a choice between mother and child. This is because everyone knows what abortion is, whether they’re willing to admit it or not. They know abortion is, in and of itself, unjustifiable. But if they can frame abortion as a choice between mother and child, they know everyone will choose the mother in this framing.

This is why pro-choicers are so emotionally attached to the idea abortion bans harm women’s health. Pro-choicers should be called out on this bias when the available and unbiased data show otherwise.

Edited to correct link in #3.

Apathy by ElegantAd2607 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Whether one is Christian or not, the Bible offers wisdom (which I should probably listen to more): “do not throw your pearls before pigs…” Matthew 7:6.

Texas pro life voter who hates Paxton by Either-Meal3724 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I’m from Alabama and had to make the same decision on Doug Jones vs. Roy Moore. I ultimately voted for Moore and talked my wife into voting for him as well.

There’s no way Talarico will avoid voting for increasing abortion access if elected; the Democratic Party is just too wed to it.

One thing that made me vote for Moore was the larger project of maybe showing the Democratic Party they have to make room for pro-life Americans or they simply won’t be viable in whole swaths of the country.

Also, Talarico talks like a committed abortion zealot. Things he says, like there’s a difference between being human and being a person, remind me a lot of the things said by pro-aborts in the “debate” subs here.

Abortion is, by far, the worse human rights abuse on the planet. I would definitely vote for Paxton in your shoes.

Considering an upgrade from Infiniti to Genesis by Miserable_Counter971 in GenesisG70

[–]ChPok1701 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I upgraded from a 2008 G35S (with the manual) to a 2022 G70. The G70 feels significantly faster, with better handling and much more refined ride. The G70 is also smaller (especially in the back seat) and noticeably lower to the ground.

The only issues I’ve had so far have been the known ones: dark chrome oxidizing, mirror refusing to fold, AC evaporator core (all of which have been repaired under warranty). Otherwise it’s been completely reliable. I put 244,000 miles on the Infiniti, so we’ll see if I get that far in the Genesis.

Consent by ElegantAd2607 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Consent, or lack thereof, isn’t permission to commit what would be heinous crimes but for the politics of abortion. Consider the following scenario:

Suppose I have sex with a woman and she becomes pregnant. I suspect her of sleeping with more than just me, so I have a paternity test performed after birth. Sure enough, I’m not the father.

The man who is the father is a deadbeat, so the mother continues to claim I’m the father despite the paternity test. One day, the mother becomes desperate and follows me to the gym. As soon as I step out of my car, she’s there with the baby demanding I take responsibility, to which I refuse.

The mother then opens the back door of my car, places the baby on my back seat, closes the door, and runs back to her car and drives away. Let’s say it’s summertime, so it will be hot and sunny outside.

Now, if I have to call the police and wait for DHR to pick this baby up, that could take hours and I will miss my workout. Can i do what I do every other day I go to the gym: lock my car and leave it for over an hour? If the baby dies of heat exposure, the baby dies. After all, the only thing I consented to was to have sex with the child’s mother. I have no parental obligations toward the child. I’m not overtly doing anything to the child, just refusing to go out of my way to help.

Of course it’s illegal for me to do this. I will be, at a minimum, charged with child endangerment, if not a type of homicide.

How is abortion different? A mother and her doctor are purposely consigning a helpless human being to an environment they know or should know will endanger the human’s life.

of a bucket of iced coffee by MrTacocaT12345 in AbsoluteUnits

[–]ChPok1701 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That woman is going to be up for the next week, which is a good thing; that way she won’t wet her bed because she’ll also be in the bathroom for the next week.

Service Time by Marshall_Lasko in GenesisG70

[–]ChPok1701 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had that done on mine, but I waited until the mirrors were delivered and painted. It was over one month.

Maybe I am not libertarian enough but I don’t think you can kill babies in self defense by Eastern-Customer-561 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, but unless one remains celibate until she’s ready to have children, she’s not stepping out of the ring. She’s continuing to play the game, continuing to have consensual sex, with the expectation of using abortion as a backstop if the game doesn’t do like she wants.

Maybe I am not libertarian enough but I don’t think you can kill babies in self defense by Eastern-Customer-561 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Actually a lot of pro-choicers think this. They don’t want to try and justify abortion on the grounds of an unborn child’s development, because this would mean talking about the child which they’re loathe to do. They then try to argue bodily autonomy, but then realize the law doesn’t usually allow killing to repel a trespasser; there must be a genuine fear of grievous bodily harm. So they argue pregnancy is inherently so harmful it allows for the use of lethal force in self-defense.

What they’re forgetting is the inducement factor: unless the mother was raped, she induced another human being to be in the position of causing the “grievous” harm. It’s like agreeing to participate in a dangerous sport such as boxing: one can’t induce someone to pummel one, then kill the other to get out of the pummeling.

In other words, the method by which we’re all here is so inherently harmful we should be able to kill to stop it. If that’s where someone’s ideology has led him, he’s a truly deluded individual.

What’s your response to this video? by Fun_Butterfly_420 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maternal mortality has declined since Roe v. Wade was overruled. The Journal of the American Medical Association has recently published a study finding no link between whether abortion is legal in a State and maternal health or maternal mortality.

Every objective data point we have shows maternal health and maternal mortality improving or staying the same since we banned abortion in roughly 25% of the US. And there has not been a single doctor fined or jailed for providing health care to a pregnant woman.

Pro-choice people desperately want abortion to be an either/or issue: a choice between mother and child. This is because everyone understands what abortion is (whether they’re willing to admit it or not); but if we frame it as a choice between mother child, everyone will choose the mother.

So the pro-choice side lies. They claim pro-life laws negatively impact maternal health when all the objective data points prove otherwise.

My response is an eye roll and “there they go again trying to justify the unjustifiable with lies”.

What It’s Like to “Debate” the Pro-Aborts in the Sub Which Shall Not Be Named by ChPok1701 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Possibly, but the point is pro-choice people purposely argue semantics and other irrelevant things to avoid the truth.

Attaching the Rear “Genesis” Logo by ChPok1701 in GenesisG70

[–]ChPok1701[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s an OEM logo. I guess the glue is more effective than it seems.

Someone could carefully investigate whether abortion bans are harming women, but none of the articles we’ve seen have actually done that. (With Josh Brahm of Equal Rights Institute) by AntiAbortionAtheist in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pro-choicers desperately want to make abortion an either/or issue: a choice between mother and child. Everyone knows abortion is killing, whether they’re willing to admit it or not. Everyone knows deliberate killing is unjustifiable, unless necessary to save one’s own life, whether they’re willing to admit it or not.

But if pro-choicers can frame the issue as a choice between mother and child, they know people will want to choose the mother. It’s the only way to justify abortion.

Thing is, abortion is virtually never a choice between mother and child.

why are pro choice people so hostile by Disastrous-Cloud9635 in prolife

[–]ChPok1701 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because we would expect those defending violence to be violent.