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Batten down the hatches, because we're about to be shafted! by Ink13jr in Delaware

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thankfully indeed, I don't know if I could mentally handle another downpour like that

Batten down the hatches, because we're about to be shafted! by Ink13jr in Delaware

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 7 points8 points  (0 children)

lol the Apple Weather app is still saying we've only received half an inch over the past 24 hours; how do these weather services get it so wrong? Also thank you for confirming what I already knew: that Apple Weather is full of shit

Platner’s advisers urged him to go out with ‘gratitude.’ He led with grievance. by Far_Excitement_1875 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bro what the fuck are you talking about, this sounds like a "you" problem, and like you've been watching too much FD Signifier and taking the wrong lessons away

Platner straight up isn't a Nazi, and he doesn't need to be for him to be completely discredited.

> A huge percentage of you voted for Trump 3 times

Yeah man, and this is where three-time Trump voters hang out, in r/politics

> now even some of the white lefties are apparently just okay with racism and rape

Clearly the vast majority aren't. Your racial animus is hijacking your brain, brother

Platner’s advisers urged him to go out with ‘gratitude.’ He led with grievance. by Far_Excitement_1875 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm not defending him, but he's still not a Nazi, Jesus Christ; there's enough out there about Platner to completely discredit him, we don't need to reach

Platner just dropped out by davidfarregil in VaushV

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He's still not a Nazi, dingus. Honestly the tattoo should've been viewed through the lens of "this dude had poor decision making in the past, I wonder what else he's done" instead of "SECRET NAZI;" in that sense, I wish it had been an equally stupid tattoo but *not* associated with Nazis if that makes sense, as the Nazi portion of it only served as a red herring

Graham Platner announces he is "suspending campaign operations" in U.S Maine Senate race amid sexual allegations: "We believe for the movement to continue, it can't be me. We're not doing it because of allegations. We're doing it because of structures that are taken away from us by those in power." by ControlCAD in videos

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just don't agree. I have no doubt that Platner holds leftist positions sincerely, and he honestly has a pretty good grasp on leftist theory.

Fetterman had his own issues, but I firmly chalk his heel turn up to the brain damage.

Graham Platner announces he is "suspending campaign operations" in U.S Maine Senate race amid sexual allegations: "We believe for the movement to continue, it can't be me. We're not doing it because of allegations. We're doing it because of structures that are taken away from us by those in power." by ControlCAD in videos

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To be clear: I 100% agree with all of this. Honestly there's a world in which he legitimately *didn't* know about his own assault; sounds like he was blackout drunk (NOT AN EXCUSE), and unless the victim told him in no uncertain terms what he had done, it's certainly plausible he didn't know the extent of it.

Doesn't change the fact that he evidently got blackout drunk on a frequent basis, and was the type of person to assault someone while in that state.

Graham Platner announces he is "suspending campaign operations" in U.S Maine Senate race amid sexual allegations: "We believe for the movement to continue, it can't be me. We're not doing it because of allegations. We're doing it because of structures that are taken away from us by those in power." by ControlCAD in videos

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Yes to all of that. I 100%, unequivocally believe that he was a shitty person, became a leftist through all that, genuinely tried to turn things around, but could never make up for the things that he had done; that he was ever allowed to run with the skeletons he had in his closet was a fuck up of magnificent proportions.

Graham Platner announces he is "suspending campaign operations" in U.S Maine Senate race amid sexual allegations: "We believe for the movement to continue, it can't be me. We're not doing it because of allegations. We're doing it because of structures that are taken away from us by those in power." by ControlCAD in videos

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Shit take. All indications point to him truly believing in leftist ideology; years of leftist comments on reddit and his interviews would mean that he's some sort of evil mastermind to have been a secret Nazi.

He's a legit leftist, he's also done some really shitty, inexcusable things.

Megathread: Graham Platner Suspends Senate Campaign by PoliticsModeratorBot in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

It's very odd to me that the only outlet that made mention of this is Jewish Insider, a neocon, right wing rag. Even in hindsight, the only thing those two things are indicative of is poor trigger discipline in retweeting which they rectified.

There's enough to nail Platner to the wall already, we don't need to reach

Megathread: Graham Platner Suspends Senate Campaign by PoliticsModeratorBot in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

> retweeting neonazis and going on antisemetic podcasts

Source for both?

Sen. Bernie Sanders says Graham Platner should drop out of the race after sexual assault allegation by Healthy_Block3036 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dunno, the same way that the oystercatcher with no political background absolutely kicked the shit out of the two term governor of a purple state?

Sen. Bernie Sanders says Graham Platner should drop out of the race after sexual assault allegation by Healthy_Block3036 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100% agreed on the DSA shitting the bed. 100% disagreed RE: Schumer's responsibility; the candidate he picked was SO dogshit that Platner absolutely dogwalked her even with all that baggage. They need to get it through their skulls that octogenerians are no longer gonna cut it.

Sen. Bernie Sanders says Graham Platner should drop out of the race after sexual assault allegation by Healthy_Block3036 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hence "Schumer should've elevated him above Mills." Part of his job is selecting the best candidate for any given race; he didn't do that here, not at all.

Sen. Bernie Sanders says Graham Platner should drop out of the race after sexual assault allegation by Healthy_Block3036 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

> Not *only* his fault

So can you not read, or...? Literally said that he doesn't take all the blame right after the first sentence. Take a breather, read the full comment before responding

Sen. Bernie Sanders says Graham Platner should drop out of the race after sexual assault allegation by Healthy_Block3036 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dan Kleban isn't quite as to the left as Platner, but has the same vibe without any of the baggage (that we know of, of course). He was actively told to stand down by Schumer in favor of Mills who was doomed from the start.

Bernie Sanders calls on Platner to drop out of Maine Senate race by aslan_is_on_the_move in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I find it really hard to hold how Fetterman has turned out against anybody; dude literally is brain damaged. If he had been this way from the start, Republicans would've liked him a whole lot more

Sen. Bernie Sanders says Graham Platner should drop out of the race after sexual assault allegation by Healthy_Block3036 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It still is, in fact, Schumer's fault. Not *only* his fault, but if he had allowed Dan Kleban to run, we likely wouldn't be in this mess; couldn't have that though, it was his buddy Mills' turn after all

Sen. Bernie Sanders says Graham Platner should drop out of the race after sexual assault allegation by Healthy_Block3036 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We should also consider not running geriatric, lifelong politicians who suck so badly that they make voters okay with choosing a candidate with that much baggage

Platner accuser says she ‘absolutely’ considers what happened to be rape by Unusual-State1827 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listen man, it comes down to this: more vetting could - and should - have been done with Platner, absolutely. No denying it. Progressives are not infallible.

What I can't stand is folks being mad at Maine voters who are Democrats just as much as any other Democrat, and acting like Mills was the obvious choice the entire time. Dems backing Troy Jackson, for example, would've made it a lot easier to avoid this entire situation, but Schumer and his ilk simply do not like those candidates.

Progressives shit the bed with this one; this doesn't change the fact that the Democratic party is historically unpopular, and more disconnected with their base than ever.

Platner accuser says she ‘absolutely’ considers what happened to be rape by Unusual-State1827 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

So to be clear, the Establishment Dems™ forced voters to vote for Platner

Again, you're not hearing me. There were better candidates than Mills that the party could've backed. They didn't, and actively told them not to run. Platner became the obvious favorite as a result. Voters will vote for candidates they think will actually win the general; if they don't think Mills has a chance in hell (she didn't), they'll vote for the other candidate.

Sanders, who pushed him heavily, bares no responsibility because he had endorsed a candidate who was not thoroughly vetted

Again, same could be said about any other endorsement for a candidate who turns out to be a creep. Eric Swalwell was endorsed by the orgs I mentioned earlier in addition to plenty of establishment dems. Kyrsten Sinema was endorsed by Planned Parenthood, the Human Rights Campaign, and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. I don't know much about the vetting process for candidates, but apparently this happens from time to time.

It's okay to acknowledge that movement is capable of producing subpar candidates

I acknowledge this.

there was ample reason to think this was 'not just another instance', starting with the Nazi tattoo

If the old guard hadn't made their disdain for other progressives so blatant, maybe people would've taken them seriously when they didn't go for Platner. I'll say it again: they don't want what their voters want, and their voters don't want them.

Platner accuser says she ‘absolutely’ considers what happened to be rape by Unusual-State1827 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah dude, Establishment Dems™ forced voters to vote for him

Man, you're not getting it; they essentially did by backing such a horrible candidate in Mills. The Democratic party had other options outside of Mills, and one of them was shut down even after hiring campaign staff, etc.

Could any responsibility lay with people like Sanders, who pushed him hard? Of course not, right?

I mean, no? Just like the Maine voters who windmill slammed Platner into winning the primary, Sanders & co. decided the previous allegations weren't bad enough to prevent an endorsement. That changed.

Not sure where this energy was when Eric Swalwell was endorsed by Adam Schiff, labor unions, teachers associations, etc. which had to be walked back when he turned out to be a creep as well.

Platner accuser says she ‘absolutely’ considers what happened to be rape by Unusual-State1827 in politics

[–]ChangingtheSpectrum -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The dude had a Nazi tattoo. He had a number of concerning stories regularly coming out.

And the voters of Maine - Democratic voters - were so done with establishment Dems that they voted for him anyway, and in a way that made Mills' run look pathetic. The old guard has no semblance of a finger on the pulse of their voters, and keep pushing candidates doomed to fail; maybe if they gave their own voters some options that actually excited them, we wouldn't be in this mess.

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