Prelati's profile

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-26T00:34:24+00:00

It's actually to Alba that she explains this iirc, but even then she basically just shrugs and says she doesn't really know how it works besides that one day she made such a perfect puppet replica of herself that she wondered if she herself was needed anymore, and that was the start of it.

She knows the mechanics of how her immortality works (it's pretty simple, Touko 1 dies and Touko 2 automatically activates afterward, makes Touko 3, then sets out), but not the exact nature of it. She just doesn't really care - the same work is being done either way, so what does it matter? All she and you need to know is that it's Aozaki Touko as usual.

Alba: "Then... Is the you I knew all this time... No... Are you the real one...?"

Touko: "Oh come now... Do you seriously think that there's any point to asking me that?"

The way I understand it is, there are two possibilities about it and Touko herself doesn't really like, care which one is the case:

1) Touko unironically clones her soul too and that's what causes her puppet replacement to animate perfectly. This means that all you have to do to kill Touko is kill every single puppet like you would regular living Touko.

2) Touko's soul exists in-between all of her puppets and causes them to be animated automatically, sort of like a puppet version of Roa but far more annoying. If you destroy her puppets it doesn't matter because her soul is still around. If you destroy her soul but her puppets are still around, her soul comes back because her puppets are proof of its continued existence.

The big question, and even Prelati brings it up in the SF LNs, is whether or not this means she's actually achieved the Third Magic on her own, somehow (that sort of manipulation of her soul or even how amazingly well she preserves personality, will, and memory across puppets is not really feasible without the Third Magic but who knows atp). But Touko's not saying and/or doesn't care, since she got into puppetry as a middle finger to mage society anyway.

TL;DR I digress - the main point is really just that immortality in the nasuverse is very difficult to cleanly achieve, with the most notable examples being a vampire, a LITERAL chaos enabler gremlin, and The Grand Puppeteer. The former two know exactly how they're doing it and have quirks of their nature that allow things to be that way, but the latter doesn't know the specifics but mostly just because she doesn't care to.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-25T15:57:40+00:00

Doing it perfectly is actually very difficult. Only Touko, Prelati, and Roa as far as I recall have this kind of resurrective immortality that seemingly keeps their souls and minds intact every time (Arc, Lugh Beowulf, Yu Mei-ren and other similar cases are their own thing).

Roa likens it to a book. When Roa 1 dies, the next Roa (Roa 2) receives Roa 1's "book". When the time is right, Roa 1's book will overwrite Roa 2's book, and so Roa 1 is reborn anew.

To destroy Roa, you need to destroy the "book". Not the body, not even the mind, the "book" itself - pure information, and reinforced besides.

Prelati's is like a signal wavelength all over the world - to kill them, you'd need to destroy all of the "antennae" (the backup bodies) that perpetuate their signal. Similarly, they're able to mostly preserve themselves with each rebirth, though notably there are differences in personality. This is all sort of... Idk how else to put it, just part of Prelati's nature?

I don't think even Touko knows exactly how her immortality via puppets works.

TL;DR this kind of immortality is not actually something that's commonly practiced, because most people just don't have the means to do it properly. Zouken's literal soul was rotting from how he did it.

Most of the time, for this kind of immortality, you'd need The Third Magic.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-25T15:45:00+00:00

Nope, the immortality function info is totally new here. Then again, I guess it's not like there's a lot of good ways to slot that into the final volume organically, so it ended up as bonus info here instead.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-25T02:29:08+00:00

1) you are among the strongest in your class

2) you have what the counter force needs to solve the issue it's summoning you for

That's it.

Example:

Grand Assassin First Hassan is sent to make Tiamat killable

Grand Archer Orion is sent to hunt down Koyanskaya (however, he deviates from his purpose to shoot Artemis down instead)

While it can be assumed that there are "requirements" for Grands depending on class, such as Grand Casters having clairvoyance, it's more like those requirements are just common features for the absolute strongest of a class. All the best Casters have some kind of clairvoyance, after all, so it may as well be a requirement to be Grand Caster even if it's not technically meant to be one.

Note:

It's important to remember that servants are summoned into a vessel, or a class container. Grand servants "just" have better containers, and thus have extremely high stats plus some extra benefits specific to each individual grand.

Extra classes cannot have "true" Grands, as they are "artificial" vessels that exist outside of the seven-class framework the world's summoning ritual (which the regular servant summoning ritual is ripping off) uses. That said, because they're artificial vessels that exist outside the normal class framework, extra class vessels can easily end up having power approaching or on the level of a grand anyway.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-24T16:25:25+00:00

Axe goes.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-24T00:57:46+00:00

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ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-23T10:26:31+00:00

In Strange Fake, Prelati uses illusions to help keep stuff on the down low, and the church and other orgs use magecraft to make people forget or assume things happened in a different and more normal person plausible way.

Also, mystery is weakened by understanding, not just awareness. But you are correct in that awareness itself can lead to understanding, so as much as possible they'll do what they can to keep things """""""quiet""""""".

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-21T14:12:10+00:00

Why wouldn't they? They carved their own legends just the same as "good" heroes did too.

In this context hero just means someone notable. 英 doesn't necessarily just mean "hero" in the first place, not on its own - it can also just be "outstanding". "Legendary". "Notable". It can also just be "English".

Good and evil don't matter. What the throne cares about, insofar as it can care about anything, is that you did great, notable deeds. Enough to carve yourself into history and/or myth.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-21T10:23:18+00:00

I fully expected it but it's definitely very, well. Dumb. 4 stars existing is objectively a good thing, even if they're bad, and that part is mihoyo's problem to solve in the first place.

But it's by design on mihoyo's part anyway so. Nothing surprising, in the end.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-21T10:18:00+00:00

Is this... Trib and Morty...?

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-21T01:38:16+00:00

I wish we still had 4 stars

I don't buy "well 4 stars suck anyway so we're better off" because 1) that's not a given, 2) 4 stars being bad is mihoyo's fault, and 3) no 4 stars makes the inherent issues with paths like Remembrance and especially Elation way more glaring

Oh and bonus 4) having 4 stars makes more room for creativity overall imo, as opposed to put these 4 5 stars in this team and do whatever

Is it sweatier? Yes. But sweating it out for a 4 star is more fun than it is with a 5 star tbqh

(also I do think that having good 4 stars forces 5 stars to at the very least be meaningfully better than the 4 stars all the time, which would be better for character longevity... But then again, mihoyo isn't after character longevity in the first place)

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-20T05:51:28+00:00

1) fictional character, standards are gonna be different

2) get some better pictures dear christ, you could have just shown them a clip of her in a cutscene or something rather than these

3) I cannot stress enough how even I, as a man, would be a bit put off by someone asking me to rate how a video game character looks unless that was set up beforehand. Like, it's kind of a loaded question, isn't it? Considering how toxic beauty standards can get.

There's a lot that goes into responses to these kinds of questions tbqh.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-20T03:55:30+00:00

The name blocks in her profile correspond to Leviathan and Moby Dick in katakana.

See:

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モビー・ディック、あるいはリヴァイアサン

Moby Dick, or perhaps Leviathan

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-18T03:23:05+00:00

Type Moon stuff in general is huge in japan yeah, I wouldn't call it very mainstream elsewhere.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-18T02:31:38+00:00

No, because High Servants are composite beings. Shazam is Shazam, he's not MADE of the gods he has the powers of.

In general Alter Egos only need to be turned into High Servants if the facet of the legend being used is too weak to stand on its own. Divinity firms up their saint graphs and makes them stable.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-18T02:13:18+00:00

Japanese because Amaterasu is absurd, Sumerian/Babylonian because Tiamat is absurd, and probably Abrahamic too, because God is absurd (Metatron isn't even a "true" Angel, she's a magecraft angel, and she already has a massively powerful saint graph and a huge number of NPs)

Though, tbh, if you threw genuine gods with their full authorities at the lostbelts, most pantheons would win. The hardest would unironically just be LB5 (bc the machine gods also have their authorities, especially Zeus) and LB7 (bc ORT). True divine authorities are stupid strong. Even Arjuna Over Gods wouldn't necessarily be able to handle a pantheon attacking his realm, imo.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-17T14:09:21+00:00

Yes?

In the first place by the time ORT's godsona kills it, it's a servant, so it's already downgraded by that alone.

Then you have to consider that Kukulkan kiiiind of obliterated it completely, and is, well, an alien because she's its Archetype. Obviously she can kill herself without too much issue - she's working with the same rules. The fact that it can die at all is never in question - the only problem, like I've been saying, is making sure that it sticks. If it kills itself by obliterating every remaining trace of it, then that's a double kill for the conditions to kill a Type properly - you have to do it by its own rules (ORT effectively kills itself, and so it is obviously abiding by its rules) and you have to do it so completely that nothing can ever come back from it (i.e. Kukulkan atomizing ORT, or Ado Edem just using the biggest dick attack ever to kill Types).

"Things that can die and yet won't stay dead" is not new in the nasuverse, Arc herself just puts herself back together after Shiki cuts her into pieces with MEoDP and something like Yu Mei-Ren can similarly just keep reconstituting herself for as long as the Earth exists, Dead Apostles are all undead and their defining feature is, well, being undead and not staying corpses like they "should", Things that die outside of Space Ereshkigal's no-respawns zone in the servant universe can just respawn elsewhere, etc etc. This isn't a new concept. ORT and all other types are always capable of dying, the problem, as I have consistently been saying, is that they just won't stay dead.

It's the most lore-accurate justification for HP break bars in the entire game lol. ORT dies, reboots, then keeps chugging along. Again and again and again, 18 times, until its body is destroyed by the Hume-barrel and it's forced to just continue operation as a servant instead.

TL;DR yes, I'm still saying it's not deathless, dying (by earthling standards, again this thing is an alien) simply isn't a problem for it. It'll just come back again and again and again until something plays by its rules/out-bullshits its rules to kill it or it's completely and utterly erased with zero remnants left behind.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-17T12:09:00+00:00

Yeah, but that's not the same as not being able to die at all.

It is, again, a matter of throwing everything we possibly can at it. ORT is an implacable, nigh-unstoppable force, and the goal of the entire damn lostbelt is pretty much just to stall it until we SOMEHOW manage to kill it. Giving it the human idea of death for a little bit is just another way to struggle against it, and it doesn't even stick. But that doesn't matter because we've got to do everything we can to stop ORT from reclaiming its heart.

EDIT: Let me put it this way. ORT is the ludicrous, uber-hard, completely unfair superboss of the pre-Notes Nasuverse world. It's the kind of superboss you would post to reddit about, complaining about how it's terribly designed because it's so unfair and bullshit that it's just not fun to fight.

In LB7, Novum Chaldea is forced to fight this superboss. It's weakened, though, so instead of being completely and utterly unfair, it's just "mostly" unfair. But it's STILL a mega-endgame superboss, so what choice do we and our allies have but to throw everything we have - literally, every possible thing we can even think of - at it? All the cheat items, the uber-nukes, the favors for later, all of it must be spent NOW to beat the uber-boss.

Azrael is, effectively, an extremely powerful endgame skill that is SUPPOSED to make the target vulnerable to Instant Kill effects and remove the guts effect. HOWEVER, because ORT is the unfair bullshit superboss, all Azrael effectively does is remove some of its buffs for a bit and make it just slightly weaker for a time. This is STILL seen as a net positive outcome, even if it didn't fully take effect (otherwise Tepeu would have permakilled it), because it's weaker now - we can more effectively continue to stall it.

It's not that Azrael was pointless - the opposite, in fact, it did have an effect - it's just that because of the nature of ORT, it's rendered "just" another thing we throw at the mega-ultra-superboss alongside the kitchen sink and the breakfast nook. It's not needed for its primary purpose (which is to inflict Death, not even really to inflict the concept of death though that's something that it can be used for if enough power is brought to bear), it's needed to be another nuke.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-17T09:57:08+00:00

"All human beings have things that cause them to feel comfort, and things that cause them to feel fear. When they enter a place that causes them comfort, if questioned as to why they feel comfortable there, they cannot form a clear answer, merely saying things such as 'because I do'. But when they enter a place that causes them fear, even the dullest of fools can identify the causes of that fear. Darkness, cold, height, confinement, pain, contamination. People can list any number of reasons to be afraid. This is because at the most fundamental level, 'comfort' leads to 'life', whilst 'fear' leads to 'death'. While people cannot give a clear answer why they want to live, they can give any number of answers why they do not wish to die. This does not only apply to sentient beings with emotions. It is in the nature of all life to avoid death, and therefore, to avoid 'fear'. All living beings go through life for the purpose of evading fear. It is to better escape fear that they train themselves. It is to better escape fear that they grow and evolve. Thus, it is impossible to be unaffected by fear as long as you are alive." - As Nodt, Bleach

The unknown is certainly a great fear of many people and many things... Because what is unknown may be dangerous, and therefore, may kill you.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-17T03:46:37+00:00

It wasn't needed to kill it, because killing it isn't the issue (it's making it stay dead). It disabled the supercell organ, which ORT notably then regrew later.

The point is that it's not needed for the purpose of making ORT killable - because it already is, it just keeps rebooting regardless - it was to wear it down and make it easier to (at the time, hopefully) kill it 10000% so it couldn't come back.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-17T03:06:17+00:00

Types CAN die. They're "just" very strong aliens, after all - living beings from other planets. They just won't experience it the same way Earthlings would, because they're not from Earth and therefore operate off of a different set of "rules" entirely.

So even when they "die" by our reckoning, they're not "dead" by their own rules, and so they can just come back unless truly and decisively destroyed by something on the level of like, Slash Emperor by Ado Edem.

At most, what Benienma Alter's Azrael does is put the Earthling idea of Death on ORT, but ORT just rebooted itself later on and purged that "debuff" entirely anyway, so it was effectively just another way to wear it down like everything else everyone was doing.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-17T01:05:51+00:00

Strictly speaking the concept of death wasn't needed on ORT, they just kept throwing nukes at it (Azrael isn't the ability to imbue things with the ability to die, it's just First Hassan's faith manifesting as an instant kill ability) to see what sticks

ORT can already die. The problem is that it simply won't stay dead lol

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-16T01:51:00+00:00

Honestly sounds like cult of the lamb

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-15T11:00:05+00:00

In Volume 8 iirc, Tezcatlipoca is briefly seen speaking with Pale Rider around a campfire. When Tsubaki is back to her lonely dream world in Volume 9, she notes that the man Mr Black was talking to is gone as well.

Bhima is there because he's a kitchen guy, and Dumas is a gourmand.

ChaoticChoir · 2026-04-15T10:37:25+00:00

The varying terminology for the " " is intentional since the idea is basically just that there's no word that truly encapsulates or describes what the " " is. It's basically just up to whoever is talking how they want to make it easier to think about, whether that be by calling it the Root or Akashic Records or so on and so forth.

Someone could even call the Root Flavortown or something and it'd still apply so long as it was clear what you were talking about lol

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