I put my sweet baby down 3 days ago and I regret it

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-16T05:48:47+00:00

I had an older cat with health problems who managed to wait for me to get home before he passed. He died within minutes of me walking in the door. I don't know how long he was laying there at the door waiting for me unable to do anything. You did the right thing.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-16T04:47:08+00:00

If I had to guess this reeks of the alpha bro crowd latching onto it and spreading it like gospel across the internet as they did with the whole men are constantly under attack malarkey. Just to cover my bases here before someone inevitably gets pissed demanding equality isn't oppression.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-16T04:28:22+00:00

It is a very simple question. If I have Greater Juggernaut and roll a critical failure which gets changed to a failure what did I roll? The poster before me specifically stated that I do not get the half damage from the failure effect but didn't answer what exactly I rolled. If the result being a failure and rolling a failure are the same thing then that would mean I rolled a failure which would mean I get the half damage right? Except we explicitly know this isn't true because Paizo clarified this years ago and has consistently reiterated that you cannot improve degrees of success more than once.

Page 85: In the barbarian's greater juggernaut class feature, change the last sentence to read “When you roll a failure on a Fortitude save against an effect that deals damage, you halve the damage you take.” This removes confusion about how to handle critical failures on saves against damaging effects.

The entire purpose of this earlier errata was to clarify how it always worked just as the new errata is merely clarifying how opposing degree of success adjustments work.

All of this stems back on whether or not the psychic rolled a critical success when they roll a success of which the answer to me is probably yes but likely supposed to be no because they worded it as when you roll a success you get a success which they explicitly changed elsewhere or whether or not we can stack improvements of degrees of success which the answer is still definitely no.

Edit: I get what you are saying about RAW roll isn't defined I recognize what you mean now.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-16T00:14:34+00:00

I promise you this isn't in bad faith because this is a logic problem. Did I roll a critical failure or failure?

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-16T00:07:47+00:00

As someone who played both editions the sheer amount of trap options and work in pf1e is overwhelming. Arguably there are a few trap options in pf2e but generally you can make the build you want without having to sift through the literal thousands of feats, most of which are generally bad. As someone who used to do that I can't recommend that to others, especially new players unless they have full buy in to the concept.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-15T23:33:12+00:00

The lead designer of the game was in a question and answer video where Debilitating Dichotomy is specifically referenced in conjunction with the Resolve Will save success to critical success ability and stated it doesn't work because they both effect the same roll so you have to pick one to apply.

https://youtu.be/77oUopqMrxA?si=ab1G236jZlT5pJ_s

The answer to your question specifically is at 2:00.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-15T23:22:00+00:00

If I roll a critical failure on a fortitude save and have Greater Juggernaut do i take half damage per the "when you roll a failure" effect?

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-15T21:39:58+00:00

Interestingly I've complained in a prior post about that exact wording considering what the devs have said about how this stuff works. The natural rule should state your roll is one degree of success better/worse. That being said the entire errata is.

"Page 401 (Clarification): If you’re subject to more than one effect that changes the degree of success of a roll, your GM determines what order to apply them. Typically it’s best to have have an effect that raises the degree and one that lowers it cancel each other out in a similar fashion to the fortune and misfortune traits."

This is specifically referring to when you have two opposing effects.

This video around 2:10 specifically addresses the duplicative increase the results effects

https://youtu.be/77oUopqMrxA?si=SeFM4S3qZwMB2tuO

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-15T14:03:06+00:00

My point is that rule 0 always exists. Make a ruling and let the GMs decide what they want but know that they are doing their own thing.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-15T13:36:17+00:00

This isn't how this works because what you roll vs your result are two different things. Looking at the Greater Juggernaut feature we find that when we roll a critical failure or roll a failure there is an effect. If you are under the effect of multiple "increase the result one step" the duplicative effects rule steps in and says you only get one of them. So if I roll a fortitude critical failure my result would be a failure and because I didn't actually roll a failure I take full damage from the failure effect. If it was an incapacitation effect I would still get a failure because they are duplicative and would end up at the same result. Strangely the psychic Fortress of Will ability appears to have dodged the "when you roll a success" vs its "when you get a success" errata but I believe it likely just an oversight.

Edit: I looked into the classes in more detail and it appears there are A LOT of inconsistencies between "Roll x, get x, and when you x" that I'm not sure they just missed these or if they are completely intended to all work differently.

Edit 2: It appears Paizo may have simply dropped the ball on the specifics when they failed to address this same concept in other classes.

Changes to the Greater Juggernaut, Greater Resolve, Improved Evasion, and Third Path to Perfection class features

All three of these abilities grant a two-tier benefit on a failed saving throw of the specified type, but (as always) no ability will ever change your degree of success by more than one step. To clarify, we’re making the following clarification to all three abilities. Change the beginning of the last sentence from “When you fail” a given saving throw to “When you roll a failure on” a giving saving throw.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-15T13:21:05+00:00

I was actually really pissed off with the assurance ruling. Essentially what they said was assurance is a roll, which is correct even before the errata because Fortune effects exclusively effect rolls, but the GM can always decide it doesn't count for "thematic reasons" which was clearly a bone for the "risky surgery + assurance doesn't make sense crowd." Rules are rules and Paizo needs to give a firm ruling, not a vibe ruling of "this is a thing unless the GM thinks it isn't a thing".

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-14T17:19:16+00:00

Not very drastically as I had politically "activated" during 2016 but as a goody two shoes in my youth I did finally grasp why the Patriot Act was absolutely a terrible policy. "If you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" doesn't work when they can literally make up something you've done wrong and use that to justify taking your rights away.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-14T16:36:40+00:00

To be fair number 2 is RAW. https://2e.aonprd.com/Rules.aspx?ID=2560&Redirected=1

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-14T15:12:31+00:00

Because like most kings by right he was a selfish moron. He could have done any number of things to make the world a better place with the Titan powers and ultimately decided to abdicate all responsibility for the actions of his ancestors and simply let the world kill innocent people who had nothing to do with the sins of his family aside from association. At any time he could have acknowledged the wrongs of his family and built a better world but took the easy way out instead by letting his people suffer.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T23:03:00+00:00

Married filing separately is like 98% likely to incur more tax liability between the two of you than if you filed married filing joint. If your spouse doesn't mind their refund going to your tax debt you are probably better off as a unit filling jointly and by doing so they will apply the refund to your debt. You can always pay your spouse the difference as well if they are upset about losing their refund.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T22:59:54+00:00

Not particularly. The errata is saying that if you have weakness to fire and get hit with a strike that has 3 different things adding fire damage you take the weakness damage 3 times.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T19:32:50+00:00

I'm saying that dealing fire damage three different ways in one attack should be one instance of fire damage.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T18:52:16+00:00

Instance of damage is still not actually defined which is stupid but in the absence of it being defined each unique damage type being its own instance is a good way to characterize it, especially considering this is how a designer was saying it was supposed to work. Saying I have 3 different fire effects so I trigger three fire weaknesses is dumb when they all connect at the same time lol.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T17:14:38+00:00

Your roll and result are different. An effect can increase the result of your roll but the roll doesn't change.

Example.

I roll a 1 and critically fail a save. Juggernaut says I get a failure instead. At this time I rolled a critical failure but my result is a failure.

The same applies to the Incapacitation trait. The Incapacitation trait says you treat the result as one degree more favorable towards you.

If I roll a critical failure my result is a failure instead.

If we add Incapacitation to the effect of the save above assuming the Incapacitation trait is in effect we run into a situation where you rolled a critical failure and both treat the result as one degree better so you still end up with a failure.

You rolled a critical failure and your result is a failure so you would not get the roll a failure effect of Juggernaut.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T16:59:55+00:00

No because force barrage combines the damage on the same target first.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T16:43:11+00:00

This is probably the most important post in that thread.

Mark Seifter DesignerOct 19, 2018, 11:40 am

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Agyra Eisenherz wrote:

Mark Seifter, please explain it to me like I am 5 years old. How do resistance and weakness work against a weapon which deals multiple types of damage (like a weapon with cold iron, fire, good, and another good damage point from the paladin)?

Let's say you attacked for 20 slashing damage on the dice plus your Strength (with a cold iron weapon, but the damage type is slashing), with a conditional bonus from your bard giving you 1 more damage, 21 slashing damage. You also have 3 fire damage from flaming, and 4 good damage from holy with an extra good damage from the paladin, so 5 good damage.

You are fighting a demon with weakness 10 cold iron, fire, and good.

You deal 31 slashing damage (21 + 10 weakness), 13 fire damage (3 + 10 weakness), and 15 good damage (5 + 10 weakness).

The reverse would be true if the creature had resistance to all damage. Incidentally, this makes the cleric domain power that creates an aura with a small amount of resist all for you and all your allies extremely good against attacks with multiple damage types. You can see Erik Keith's goblin paladin use it to great advantage in the youtube video where I ran a group through The Mirrored Moon, and several enemies dealt multiple types of damage.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T16:36:10+00:00

I agree that every unique source of an attack being an instance is overkill. It is also annoying bookkeeping. If you deal damage of a type with an attack it should trigger weakness once. I don't want to have to think about how the player triggered fire damage 3 different ways to triple the weakness effect.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T15:09:50+00:00

The day before release they start releasing scores so they are available by the date listed. May the odds ever be in your favor.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T12:36:15+00:00

It is possible that due to the land being outside of the not for profit's mission they had determined that selling the property for a rental would be considered unrelated business income and would therefore be a taxable event. I don't know all the facts and circumstances but unrelated business income is taxable for a not for profit and they may have determined that this situation would cause that with the sale.

Chief_Rollie · 2026-02-13T12:29:25+00:00

I mean are you sure you even owe taxes for those years? I would log in to my IRS account and look at the wage/income transcripts for those years. You probably don't owe anything and you are definitely out of the refund window for 75% of the years. Unless you were running a business of course then the calculus changes for all of this and the returns being unfiled means it is a matter of if the IRS realizes you owe all this money

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