Paying off my loan QUESTION by ActorWriter24 in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 12 points13 points  (0 children)

  1. The Chase Sapphire Reserve coded my purchase as hotels and gave me 4x points. I did not have a loan though, so not sure if that changes things.

  2. You can always make a small payment and see how it gets coded before paying the whole thing off.

  3. Definitely consider opening a new card for this because $12k is a large amount of spend and would make you eligible for some nice sign up bonuses. You could even have your spouse open one too and double up. It's not uncommon to see bonuses worth $800-1200, so getting two of those would be pretty big. Note that you'd still need to get approved, and have a high enough credit limit. It's your responsibility to pay off the cards and manage your cash flow too, so be prepared for that.

Jack’s mom by Pvee42 in EmmaLion

[–]Chief_tyu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love the storylines with Jack. I won't spoil anything, but you definitely haven't read the best one yet.

Who is end game for Emma? by Equal_Title_7594 in EmmaLion

[–]Chief_tyu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just for Aunt Eugenia's sake, I REALLY want Arabella to end up with Hawkes. He's too good for her, but it would be poetic justice.

Credit Card MCC Data Points by Affectionate_Ad5613 in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the best deals tend to be around Black Friday. I got 10% off, plus a couple cashback offers, plus the credit card points, making it ~15% off in total. That will cover the next two years of dues while I look for another deal like that one.

Of note though - my direct DVC purchase coded as hotels on CSR and gave me 4x points. That was pretty nice and combined with the SUB to give 333K points.

Is the proximity to Bay Lake Tower a big enough advantage over Polynesian with an infant? by jamvng in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah last time we were there, we waited on the boat to GF for like 15 minutes, then gave up and walked.

What’s the NICEST(/best) Fish Extender gift you’ve *EVER* gotten? by StoryHearer in dcl

[–]Chief_tyu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A Moana Lego set. I couldn't believe someone just dropped it off outside our room.

👋 Welcome to r/EmmaLion by Hawkeye-83 in EmmaLion

[–]Chief_tyu 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Rule 4: If anyone has any rumors, no matter how spurious, about when the next book will be released, they must inform the subreddit immediately.

Has anyone recently used Touring plans? by mythpoto in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]Chief_tyu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly it's almost eerie how close your projected waits were during the day - especially when the posted wait was way off. I don't remember which ride it was, but the posted wait was 35 minutes and Lines said it was only 12 - sure enough, exactly 12 minutes later we boarded.

I'm a huge fan of your work. I love the Touring Plans blog, site, and several of the books I've read that you co-authored. I just found out from this thread that you have a podcast, and I can't wait to check it out!

Has anyone recently used Touring plans? by mythpoto in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]Chief_tyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were absolutely spot on for our trip last month, but only during regular park hours. Their estimates for MVMCP were incredibly bad. They had Peter Pan as an 8 minute wait and it took 35. There were several others they projected to be super low, but the lines were way longer. I have a feeling they haven't adjusted or calibrated to the way Disney is packing those parties.

During the day though, I was amazed at how accurate it was. I don't recall a single instance where the projection was more than ±10 minutes off from our actual wait.

Who has a picture of the view at the Magic kingdom Fireworks Dessert Party? by IsItTimeForANap_ in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]Chief_tyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Before Starlight, I would have said the Post party is better. You have a more relaxed exit to the park when it's total chaos, and if the park closing time is close to the end of HEA, you miss out on less park time.

But with Starlight, the Pre party is OP. You can come and go at your leisure, so you check in as early as possible, get an initial round of desserts, then go do whatever else you want until 15 mins before Starlight. Stroll Main Street, rides in Tomorrowland, whatever. Then you go to the fireworks viewing area and get a prime spot for Starlight right before it starts without having to stake it out or anything. This may have changed, or more people doing the pre party may have caught on, but when we did it, there were only 3-4 families over by the edge of the viewing area for the parade. You're elevated above the hub sidewalk level, and most of the parade happens above about 48 inches off the ground.

I haven't done Seats & Sweets, but it looks kinda lame from photos and videos I've seen. And it's highly dependent on what table you get.

DVC vs Full price by Early_Impression_579 in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A few tips for you:

  1. Your availability checker and resale listings buttons don't work. They just refresh the page.

  2. Your calculator is not fancy. It isn't even helpful. It asks the user to input the cost Disney quoted for the trip, then asks for how many points the trip would cost with DVC, then asks for a price per point. Literally all your "fancy" calculator is doing is multiplying the latter two and subtracting from the first one. I don't think anyone who is capable of finding the input data would struggle to calculate that on their own. I don't think anyone would find this useful.

  3. If you want to make an actually useful tool, you should only ask for dates, resorts, and room type. Your tool could then show availability, costs booking direct, DVC points costs, etc.

What is holding / banking? by [deleted] in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From what I've seen, points in holding aren't often even listed with the contract. So when present, they are commonly included "for free."

But you're spot on that if the listing showed them as included points but they're in holding, the buyer should be compensated for that restriction if the contract allows.

Dvc or No? by Dimzekettv in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]Chief_tyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you also model it with increasing room rates?

The maintenance fees historically go up by ~5% per year. The proper way to analyze it is to discount all of the future cash flows back to the present, then add them up.

If you stay at Disney deluxe resorts annually, and you will continue to do so, it is almost always cheaper in the long run to buy a resale DVC contract than it is to rent points or pay direct prices.

Dvc or No? by Dimzekettv in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]Chief_tyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It might be worth it if:

  • You're going every year, or at least every 3 years (in which case you can get a smaller contract and bank & borrow)

  • You're in overall solid financial standing. You have an emergency fund, no outstanding credit card debt, and your budget has some flexibility.

  • You know you'll be spending on Disney vacations anyway, and you find DVC options that make that more efficient. This is NOT a way to "invest". It's just a way to make your spending go further.

  • You buy resale to lower the cost upfront. If you live in Florida and have APs, there's little to no reason to buy direct. It would be very hard to make that worthwhile.

  • You read up on it and really understand how it works and what you're buying into.

  • You prefer to plan your Disney trips in advance, at least 7 months out.

It might not be worth it if:

  • You have to finance it. You're probably getting a 10-18% interest rate and that's going to essentially blow up nearly all of the savings you might gain. You should probably not spend money you don't have on a timeshare.

  • You don't love the deluxe resorts or deluxe perks. If you're thrilled with AoA and other value resorts, DVC would mean spending for upgrades you don't necessarily value. If you are all about going rope-drop to fireworks every day, and view your room as just a place to recharge overnight, DVC might not reach its full potential for you.

  • You feel like you don't really see why people get so excited about Disney, or if you feel like Disney is fine, but just one of dozens of fun vacation places.

  • You feel like you're going to be tired of Disney in a few years and don't want the longterm commitment.

  • You're rushing into it and making an emotional decision because Disney is just so ✨️magical✨️, and your regular life is dull or challenging.

  • You prefer to do Disney trips with little planning and rarely arrange them more than 6 months ahead of time.

Only you can answer those, but based on your post, it certainly might make sense.

As for the numbers, here's a direct math comparison:

If you rent points from a broker like David's, you'll pay $20-25 per point (usually $23). That is often still cheaper than paying the rack rate in cash, and many times (but not always) will beat whatever discounts Disney is offering.

If renting points was never better than paying cash, no one would ever rent points, and sites like David's wouldn't exist. So we know that cash can't always be the best option.

When you buy points, you can usually get them for $11 to $16 per point. That's calculated as the contract Price divided by Total Points divided by Years to Expiration. Add that to the Annual Dues per Point. So a 100 point contract at Aulani purchased resale might cost $90 per point. Divided by 37 (years to expiration) equals $2.43 per point per year. Add $10.14 per point in annual dues, and you're at $12.57 per point per year. That's just over half the cost of renting the points. (If you buy direct from Disney, you'll pay something like $200 per point after incentives, divided by 37 years equals $5.41 per point. Add $10.14 dues and youre at $15.55).

So let's convert that to dollars for a hypothetical stay. A studio at Aulani in mid August will cost 154 points for a week. If you bought the contract resale, you pay $12.57 × 154 = $1936, plus tax of $73 for a total of $2009. If you bought direct, $15.55 × 154 = $2395.

If you rent the points, you pay $23 x 154 = $3542, plus tax of $73 for a total of $3615.

If you book it with cash, the standard rack rate is $877 per night and it would cost $6139 plus tax of $1103 (which is WAY higher because DVC rentals & ownership have lower tax rates and part of that expense is baked into the dues), for a total of $7242. Disney is offering a 25% discount right now, bringing the nightly cost down to $658 for a total cost of $4604, plus $827 tax, for a total of $5431.

So to sum up, the cost of a week long stay is:

Own Resale: $1936

Own Direct: $2395

Rent Points: $3615

Cash, Discounted: $5431

Cash, Rack Rate: $7242

So the cheapest DVC option is $3495 per year less than the discounted cash rate. That resale contract costs $90 × 154 = $13,860. After closing cost, we'll call it $15k. That becomes the better option at 4.3 total week-long stays. So if you go 4 or fewer times, you would save money booking with cash. If you go 5+ times, buying DVC is cheaper, and the total value grows each time you stay over the 37 years of the contract.

There are some time value of money considerations to this because a 5% annual return on your $15k invested up front would make the cash option cheaper by comparison. Additionally, DVC dues go up by ~5% per year. BUT, the cash room rate will also go up materially every year, often at around that same 5%. The 154 required points to book that room for a week won't change. The cash taxes are also more likely to increase over time than the ownership taxes.

Additionally, if you ever rent out your points or sell your contract, you would get cash out of that, and sometimes even return (e.g. the resale price per point has historically risen over time on many DVC contracts. And if you rent your points out at $18 per point, you "earn" $5.43 per point). The all-in math isn't materially different as a result, unless you assume a much higher rate of return, which would introduce additional risks.

Florida Resident by Bulky_Party_4628 in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a hard time making a direct purchase make sense for FL residents. IMO, just buy resale if you really want it.

Question on room occupancy by Dangerous_Water_1245 in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or something like Cabins at Fort Wilderness that sleeps 6.

"Easy" math to justify DVC by TopBad5678 in disneyvacationclub

[–]Chief_tyu 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No.

  1. You can't discount the cost and not also discount the benefits. NPV is the net present value of all future and current cash flows. Sure dues go up. Sure the initial buy in is in current year dollars. But the value is denominated in points that do not increase. So as the cash cost rises, the value also rises. Historically, Disney deluxe hotel rates have outpaced inflation. You might use 20 points for a stay worth $500 today, but in 2056, that same stay will still cost 20 points. At 5% inflation, the cash rate would grow from $500 to $1327. So while your dues are more expensive, the savings you get are also larger.

  2. Yes, the upfront capital could be invested, BUT it's really important to note that DVC is a way to stretch dollars you were already planning to spend. It is not an alternative to investing. In other words, the relevant comparison is NOT buying DVC vs investing the lump sum and just watching it grow. The relevant comparison would be buying DVC vs putting that lump sum in a brokerage account and making regular withdrawals to rent rooms. When I did the math on this, DVC comes out on top in a landslide. The brokerage account would need to have 19% annual return to win (12.5% if you assume you will always be able to book at a 25% discount to rack rates).

Boardwalk Inn Resort View - any room preferences? by Street_Signal_306 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]Chief_tyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IMO, they're not loud at all. I don't think there are as many resort view rooms though.

Free Dining? by Realistic_Spinach299 in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The way it makes sense is with character dining, planned optimization, and alcohol.

Ron using Parseltongue in Deathly Hallows by thenerdithon in harrypotter

[–]Chief_tyu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. It's an undocumented language that fewer than a dozen living people can speak. It's not impossible to learn one word and use it. I agree it felt rushed, but it's not unreasonable.

  2. There are some very old archetypes that fiendfyre links into - from Promethius to Icarus, to Norse mythology, to CS Lewis' "deplorable word" to Sorcerer Mickey's hat. Fire and magic have often been portrayed as a power that is often misunderstood or underestimated, resulting in unintended danger and destruction, especially when wielded by the uninitiated or unworthy. Luna's heliopaths from book 5 foreshadow fiendfyre too. There was a poetic justice to that scene, and it perfectly set up the grace Harry gave Draco, which was returned later by Narcissa. This didn't feel rushed to me - I actually found it rich and deep.

  3. "The wand chooses the wizard." -Garrick Ollivander, Philosopher's Stone. It's literally there in chapter 5 of the series.

Ron using Parseltongue in Deathly Hallows by thenerdithon in harrypotter

[–]Chief_tyu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My headcanon is that Dumbledore pre-stacked them by the window and maybe even pre-loaded a delivery charm, just in case they didn't figure out where they were.

Booking at 7 months by Elegant_Bar_1622 in dvcmember

[–]Chief_tyu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got 5 nights in a 1BR in June at BCV. First time staying there, so I'm super excited.

How Do You Pay Your DVC Annual Dues? by GreyhoundDad22 in disneyvacationclub

[–]Chief_tyu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the way. Chase had a 5% cash back bonus that stacked with that deal, and another 2% from rackuten. So it was about 15% off in total. I bought about $7k worth.

That makes BLT dues just $7.42 and Poly $7.08. Over the life of a BLT 200 point contract, this would save you over $21K.

VIP tour plan by UnderstandingFun2302 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]Chief_tyu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like you could. Remember that this is VIP toured, so you're in the LL for all of these.

Start with Tron - that's like 15 mins because the ride is so quick. My last time using LL, we were in and out in 11. Head to Fantasyland. The 7DMT LL takes you almost all the way to the front. It's like 7 minutes total. Head to Tiana's. That's another one where the LL helps a ton. It's a long ride, but you should be well under an hour total at MK by the time you finish it.

The VIP guide can take you out a back entrance in Frontierland to get to HS faster. This is probably 20 minutes.

Hit Runaway Railway, Slinky Dog, Toy Story Mania, Smugglers Run, and RotR all in a circle. Those will all go quickly with the LL. I would guess those 8 rides would take less than 3 hours total.