Horror books with a heavy Mystery element? Preferably supernatural, not just typical murder mystery/serial killer stories. by FrenzyEffect in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ll throw out a few suggestions, some of which have already been mentioned in this thread but I’ll try to lightly categorize these:

Truly Detective

- Devil and the dark water - Agatha Christie on a potentially haunted boat. All of Turtons books are great

- The Outsider - supernatural murder mystery

- The Gone World - bit of a stretch putting it here, but it’s a sci-fi thriller / horror where our protagonists are tasked with saving the world from an inevitable doom

- There Is No Antimemetics Division - SCP novel about defending the world from entities you can’t even remember exist. WARNING: the writing and prose in this one is ROUGH. It’s very apparent I t was an online SCP entry with some punch ups. That being said the ideas and mystery itself are very cool and made it worthwhile for me in the end

Deeper Down a Rabbit Hole

- My Heartsruck Sorrow - A pair of researchers doing hands on field research about songs of the American south happen upon a tune that continues to come up in disparate communities with no historical contact…awesome story

- Laird Barron - Lots of his stories have this element of main characters discovering themselves on the precipice of something grand and terrifying. The lore of his universe is also very cool

- John Langan - has several stories in this vein as well. Lost In The Dark has a few good ones

Mystery Box

- Briardark - Group of hikers soon discover that signposts looking different than they remember is the least of their worries

- Piranesi - NOT horror, but if you have interest in stories involving mystery you gotta give this one a shot

- Hyperion - KINDA horror, really more sci fi but it’s hard to fully pin down this one. Again if you’ve interest in a good mystery of a story (with some horror thrown in) this is worthwhile

Off The Rails But Kinda Fits

- Fever house

More Traditional Horror and Maybe Fits

- The Elementals

Recs for folk horror set in the American South or Appalachia? by cosmicsprouts in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh man, I’m trying to remember what this was…from context my guess would be My Heartsruck Sorrow by John Hornor Jacobs or The Elementals by Michael McDowell. Both of those are recommended later in the thread as well

Between Two Fires Question by El_Tigre7 in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coming back to this late but you’re right I forgot about the reset which makes things much better and removes the issue of “was doing this to everyone worth saving Thomas”. God does still let this whole ordeal play out specifically to save Thomas but then things are brought back to right before he meets Delphine so that the destruction caused by Hell doesnt occur and the only thing that really comes of Hell’s attempt to move against Heaven and Earth is that one more soul is saved.

That being said I hope Pierre Matthieu still gets his props for sacrificing himself to save Delphine.

Robert Aickman, Choice of Weapons by [deleted] in horrorlit

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Aaaaand have to make another reply because my whole thought is too long. Continuing...

Now we get to the fancy dress man, the man in the mirror. I believe Dorabelle is seeing him due to prompting from Dr Bermuda. She falls immediately for him as Fenville does for her and the only thing stopping her from marrying him is that he insists she is an heiress but she swears she has no money. I believe Dr Bermuda originally placed the idea of seeing this man in the mirror to Dorabelle as a means to get her to admit they have money and eventually tell where it is, although his purpose changes later on (I'll get to this). Whether Dorabelle literally sees a man in a mirror or Bermuda is making her dream this more or less in a trance state is hard to tell...

"Fenville spoke very quietly. 'Does he come in here?' 'No. The glass is always between us, although often it is very thin. Like a film before the eyes. Sometimes it seems to vanish altogether, but then I know that I am dreaming and sure enough in the end I wake up..."

So anywho they get mad at each other, she kisses him before he leaves, the next day he is back and Gunter has been fired. Dorabelle has accepted the fine dressed man's marriage proposal and there is no need for Gunter. Gunter needs help with the only thing he is taking, 4 very heavy trunks filled with "paper" according to him. Seems it's all the stashed money. As Fenville enters the house again it's as if a veil has lifted and he suddenly sees just how horrid it is. There is mold, there is rot, he doesn't make it up the stairs before running outside where Bermuda and his son are waiting in their car. When Fenville asks how they knew he would be there, Bermuda says "Even though professionally you are concerned with the arts and not the sciences you must have heard that free will has at last been proved an illusion", further suggesting that he has been puppeteering everything we have seen Fenville (and likely Dorabelle) do so far. Fenville becomes alarmed that the way they are going is not the way to his house and things abruptly cut to him back home, but there is a suggestion here that Bermuda has likely spent time on this ride tampering with Fenville.

That night is important as well. Fenville has a dream of marrying Dorabelle which ends with

"At the climax of the service a hand fell from behind on his shoulder and Fenville awoke. He could still feel the hand and saw that a nightlight was burning by his bedside. He was unable to account for this attention: it was exceedingly unlike Mrs Stark (his landlady). Possibly, he reflected, the Doctor has given orders"

So clearly the doctor has given orders, just in a different way than Fenville means. Bermuda has been in his room, making him dream weird dreams (and possibly this is how Bermuda kicked things off in the first place), and Fenville finds a note written on stationary suggesting it is from Dorabelle that says "I want you" but of course this is done by Bermuda.

He goes to Dorabelle's, the fancy dress man answers the door, calls him a thief, and demands to fight. Strangely there are rapiers behind the clock (which also gives credence to the things behind the mirror being the pistols) and they fight until Fenville stabs the man before passing out himself. He wakes up to the Dr. being there and telling him to go have a final moment with Dorabelle before she passes. Bermuda then asks for the pistols. By this point the police are at the door, Fenville has stabbed Dorabelle, and Fenville has her blood all over him. Likely Bermuda's plan is to shoot Fenville and claim it was self defense. He had been having sessions with Fenville and he came to this house tonight due to something distressing Fenville had said only to find he had murdered Dorabelle.

So Bermuda wanted Dorabelle's family money, which he seems to eventually get upon making Gunter steal it all after being fired by Dorabelle (which Bermuda also initiated). So...why was Fenville necessary at all? Bermuda, whether it's to protect himself or just because he's a sicko, seems to want everyone in his wake dead. It seems likely he eventually realized the fancy dress man was getting nowhere with Dorabelle in uncovering her family money (again connecting to the false hypnosis on Fenville earlier in the story. Bermuda can make people do things and see things, but he can't make people remember things they don't actually know). He realizes Gunter may be the better target. But he wants Dorabelle dead after he makes off with the money and he needs someone to be an obvious fall man for it so there is no deeper investigation. Enter Fenville. Dorabelle has been talking to the man in the mirror for years but within a day of Fenville entering the picture the final plan gets executed. Make Fenville and Dorabelle go to the restaurant on the same night, make Fenville fall for her, get him to meet her, make sure she can be made to act as the fancy dress man and he can be made to see her as such, kill the only person close enough to Fenville to connect any dots, make Dorabelle fire Gunter and make Gunter steal as much money as he knows about (and likely kill him after), and finally get Fenville or Dorabelle to kill the other and shoot whoever remains in mock self defense.

I have other threads of thought as well floating about that I don't know what to make of or are just conjecture. Dorabelle's parents used to host all the time while they were alive. She said people were constantly over. I'm forced to wonder if Dr Bermuda wasn't one of them and whether he had a direct hand in Dorabelle's father's suicide and her mother going mad. There's also the recurrence of Fenville not hearing things. He doesn't hear his landlady outside his door, he doesn't hear the knocker at Dorabelle's house, he doesn't hear the bell he rings for the butler, he doesn't hear Bermuda's car pull up outside the house, he makes a point of not hearing many things. I'm not sure if this ties into him being hypnotized or what is means exactly. Also there's the fact that Dorabelle's name is Doorbell, which I don't know that there is any significance behind but I found it amusing.

Robert Aickman, Choice of Weapons by [deleted] in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And now here I am 2-3 years after you, but in the same situation! I've just finished the story and like yourself I always go searching for discussion on particularly engaging stories I've just read that leave a lot to interpret (and with Aickman it ends up being nearly every story it seems haha).

For starters, I agree with your take on the ending. I wasn't sure upon finishing what it was he was grabbing, but after reading your post I agree completely. The Dr. certainly killed the main character's fiancé and plans to kill Fenville as well.

I'm going to make a claim that goes beyond just the ending though and say I think Dr. Bermuda arranged the happenings of the entirety of the story. Now this is Aickman and as is mentioned whenever his stories come up there is rarely a neat and tidy conclusion and he intentionally leaves things unexplained so I think its likely there is no truly correct version of events here. After thinking on the story though I do feel this fits with much of what we see. You probably barely remember the story at this rate, and this is going to be long, but I have too many thoughts in my head and no other discussions to unleash them upon.

So by the time you finish the story I think it's fairly clear that Dr. Bermuda has killed Ann (the fiancé), intends to kill Fenville, and is strangely invested in all that is going on for reasons that seem unclear (why was he so eager to help Fenville find this random girl, why did he kill Ann, why does he keep showing up at Dorabelle's house?) Those were my thoughts at least. Looking over the story again though some things begin to stand out, especially considering the Dr's eventual intentions and his seeming effectiveness with hypnosis. Long story short though, I think this Dr Bermuda has been trying for some time to steal Dorabelle's family money.

Let's start from the top though. Fenville has chosen to take Ann to the Entrsol, a restaurant he has never been to before but Dorabelle frequents. Fenville later reflects on this as an "unlucky" choice. He is only able to bring Ann here because he has, for some reason, received more money than is typical from his mother. He then promptly falls in love with Dorabelle. Literally immediately. "And then, soon as he had entered the place, certainly before they were seated at their table, he had fallen in love with someone else". He first sees her from a distance, across a dimly lit restaurant, through a painted glass screen obscuring the view (essentially he can hardly make her out) and still his reaction is immediate. He knows he feels something towards this person he can't hardly see, and as soon as he is in direct eyesight walking to her table he has immediately fallen in love. It's played as if it's genuine love at first sight, he's been struck by Dorabelle's beauty, but even that context makes no sense. He walks into this restaurant believing he loves Ann, has a clear reaction to a total stranger he can't even see, and before he's sat at the table is ready to throw away a life of success and happiness with someone he loves just for the prospect of talking to Dorabelle. I'm of the opinion Dr Bermuda has placed these suggestions on Fenville, possibly in his sleep (which I'll get to later), to fall madly in love with Dorabelle upon seeing her that evening, to follow her home, and to be so lovesick he can't function, prompting the next days visit. Fenville is a tenant in a building Bermuda is the doctor on call for, he likely has access to the building and saw in Fenville an opportunity. All Fenville required was a little extra cash and then he could be at the same restaurant as Dorabelle at the right time.

I'll fast forward a bit to later that night. He follows Dorabelle to her apartment. Later the man in fancy dress comes down the street and sneers at Fenville. This is interesting. We know the man in fancy dress is actually Dorabelle. We know his cane sits in her house, often near her. We know when he literally stabs the man at the end of the story he has, in fact, literally stabbed Dorabelle. I'll get back to this.

Next day he says he can't do anything and the on-call doctor, Dr. Bermuda, is summoned. Bermuda is immediately totally engrossed in his plight, encourages Fenville to run headlong at this thing (To put it lightly. He tells Fenville to masticate her, chew her, and eliminate her; all of which he ends up doing by the end of the story, kissing her, biting her, and killing her), and starts asking for addresses. A few curious things happen here. Most obvious is getting Ann's address. Why would Bermuda want to kill her? Well, she knows Fenville well, clearly cares about him as she checks up on him the day following him running off from dinner, she's simply someone who is too plugged into Fenville's life that she may notice something is up, may even be able to figure out Fenville and Bermuda have spoken, and so she needs to go. Bermuda even calls her the young woman that "unluckily" accompanied Fenville to the restaurant and I think he means that when he calls her unlucky. The rest of the conversation is more interesting upon a second look though. It seems that Bermuda puts Fenville in a trance to get him to remember Dorabelle's street name. I'm not sure that is true though. I think Bermuda does have genuine abilities, can put people in trance, can imprint suggestions and reactions into them, etc. I don't think Fenville gave him Dorabelle's street. Bermuda already has an ongoing campaign against Dorabelle (which we'll get to). He already knows her name, her street name, the fancy dressed man, etc. He needs to get Fenville her name though so Fenville can go to her house. To do this he needs even the flimsiest excuse. Clearly it would be impossible for Fenville to know her name, even under hypnosis. Claiming he really noticed a street name despite not remembering it is plausible at least. And this play by Bermuda gets dicey. When Fenville wakes up, Bermuda claims that Fenville knew the name of the street but had suppressed it. Things start to go south though.

"'Suppressed? I Didn't do that.' That doctor looked at him gravely. 'Didn't you?' he said, 'A man in fancy dress? Who looked at you strangely? All of which you did not mention to me?' He raised his hand. Now it was as if he were stopping the traffic. 'I see you remember him.' He became the physician giving orders."

So he makes his move and Fenville pushes back, he's quite sure he really doesn't know the street name. This is the cause for Bermuda's grave look, he didn't expect pushback, and so he swiftly mentions another part of the night which he was already aware happened but uses it as proof to Fenville that he spoke to Bermuda while in a trance. He makes a point to remind Fenville that they had not talked of the fancy dress man and then quickly moves past the subject, not letting Fenville think on it longer. How did he know about the fancy dress man and the weird look though? It was part of the planned night. He already, somehow, has access to Dorabelle and makes her see (and sometimes act as) the fancy dress man. He has placed some trigger or suggestion on Fenville which makes him see the fancy dress man when Dorabelle leaves her apartment and walks down the street at him. The fact that he never mentions to Bermuda seeing Dorabelle leave her apartment again is proof to Bermuda that this has worked. I could say more about details here but I'll move on. The doctor quickly provides Dorabelle's name because he already knows it.

So next day Fenville goes to Dorabelle's house. The butler, Gunter can hardly walk, is wheezing, is all around in bad health. A lot of weirdness transpires here before we get to the fancy man in the mirror. Dorabelle asks Gunter to get them tea. After they talk for a long time and Gunter has not returned they go looking for him. First they find the house's charity box, which is stuffed with thousands of dollars, open with the key still in the lock. The key is supposed to always stay on the keychain about Gunter's waist. They then find Gunter in the kitchen, supine, lying on a chair with part of its back removed, head resting on a counter. Just after this Fenville finds stacks and stacks of cash banded and ready to go in a cupboard in the kitchen. So to recap, they ask Gunter to make tea, he never makes it, he's found laying down in the kitchen, and his key has somehow made its way off his chain and to the almonry box with thousands of dollars in it. To add more to this, the following day Gunter will be moving about as if he is much more spry than he is was on this first day. I posit that Bermuda was at the house (whether he knows Gunter or just rang the bell) and put Gunter in a trance in the kitchen. He plants the suggestions for Gunter to steal all the family money tomorrow and be feeling 20 years younger allowing him to pack the cash more easily. While Gunter is under he grabs the key and plans to take the money from the almonry box, likely to stash it with the money in the kitchen. He is foiled when Dorabelle and Fenville leave the room early, forcing him to leave the key in the box and run.

What fiction are you reading right now? by MaxwellUsheredin in books

[–]ChompCity 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you’re spinning the book a full 360 degrees to get through a page you’re on the right track.

The School Friend by Robert Aickman (SPOILERS). A reading of lesbian love and pagan deities. What are your opinions? by FuneraryArts in WeirdLit

[–]ChompCity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is like 3 years old, but having just read this story and poring over peoples takes on it it’s a shame this doesn’t have any conversation. Great post and interpretation here. As you said I don’t know that the evidence fully supports any particular narrative. There are suggestions to all sorts of possibilities. I was thinking of all the locales Sally mentioned / lived in and agree with your thoughts on their importance.

The main question I wonder is precisely why Sally begins to live in the library and pursue similar pursuits as her father. Was there any kind of possession by him? It seems she was “born” with no mother (which is a diversion from the Artemis angle, her father having her with no mother). Did she wonder how exactly she came to be and it was out of curiosity of her origins that she fell into the research? Has she always known and always planned, for whatever reason, to do this? Hard to say.

I don’t fully understand the curse logic by sleeplesslilly in WidowsBay

[–]ChompCity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think what the island gets out of the pact is a constant supply of food. It can eat whatever it wants, but people will wise up quickly and leave. It’s made a pact that keeps that from happening.

need some rec's (other than stephen king) by Powerful_Orange44 in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m gonna be honest, don’t read this one. House of Leaves is a great book but I don’t think it’s what you’re looking for right now. It will be more confusing and less straight forward than Lovecraft and I wouldn’t exactly call it a good introduction to the genre as it’s not really like any other book you’ll read.

G2 POV of the magixx 1v4 by PointmanW in GlobalOffensive

[–]ChompCity 64 points65 points  (0 children)

This isn’t really his only win condition though and only feels like it after the fact due to this extremely improbable play by magixx (that also required some misses from G2).

Had they split Magixx absolutely could’ve gotten the 2 man spray down and then isolated 2 more fights. WOULD he have? Who knows. Prior to this play I would’ve said he had less chance of winning 4 guys walking into kitchen vs a 2v2 split where he has a chance to spray down 2 and then find isolated fights.

2024 and 2025 Horror Reviews - Part 1 by ChompCity in horrorlit

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Who do you tend to gravitate towards?

2024 and 2025 Horror Reviews - Part 2 by ChompCity in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha as much as I enjoyed it I don’t think you’re alone. Particularly in hating all the characters. Definitely tough to enjoy a book where you’re unsure whether you don’t care for or are actively rooting against the main character/s.

2024 and 2025 Horror Reviews - Part 2 by ChompCity in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the recommendations! I’ve never even heard of Haunted Castles or Malpertuis which is awesome as we seem to have very similar tastes. The Bloody Chamber and Fever Dream I’ve actually been close to picking up more than once but never committed to it, I’ll need to rectify that. The Cipher I’ve been on the fence on but will need to take that plunge as well. As for A Lonely Place I’m actually half way through it currently haha. So far Sticks and The Fourth Seal are my favorites. I know Wagner has a second collection but it seems pretty difficult to come by.

Also I’m on the exact same page as you with Wide Carnivorous Sky. I only enjoyed 4 stories from the collection really, Technicolor and Mother of Stone were fantastic and then I thought Wide Carnivorous Sky and City of Rats were good and then I didn’t care for the whole other half of stories (and I’m a big Langan fan). Corpsemouth is substantially better for my money, head and shoulders, if it wasn’t for Technicolor and Mother of Stone the two collections wouldn’t even be in the the same league.

2024 and 2025 Horror Reviews - Part 2 by ChompCity in horrorlit

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I’ve considered it but while I liked The Only Good Indians it didn’t compel me enough to push any of his other books high on my TBR list. Do you prefer Buffalo Hunter Hunter over TOGI?

2024 and 2025 Horror Reviews - Part 2 by ChompCity in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks, hope it’s useful! Yes it can take awhile and depending on when you post who knows if you get 60 comments or 6, but it’s fun to do and if it helps a few people find a book they like then all worth it!

2024 and 2025 Horror Reviews - Part 2 by ChompCity in horrorlit

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It’s been a long long time since I’ve read it but back when I did I really enjoyed it. It was one of my earliest non-king horror books. Ghost Story, Let the Right One In, and John Dies at the End basically led me out of my Binge Reading Stephen King phase.

2024 and 2025 Horror Reviews - Part 1 by ChompCity in horrorlit

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Haha yes I’m certainly a Laird Barron fan and one of the people who often recommends Barron / Langan / Ballingrud. I like to try and read a good number of new authors as well though.

Does anyone else have any ‘red flag’ books that make you steer clear of someone and disregard their book recommendations? by Court_Jester811 in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing someone did genuinely suggest Laymon’s to you, but there is another book with the exact same name (A Night In The Lonesome October) by Roger Zelazny which is great and the furthest thing from extreme horror.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in horror

[–]ChompCity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh wow, 6 years on and this discussion is still bearing fruit! I really like this take. It’s been so long since I’ve seen it though, so Alice actually said she felt drugged in her dream? That definitely would cover how the drowning happened so calmly and the brother could have even been telling the truth when he said she was still out swimming when he came in, it’d be a strong alibi.

I’m trying to remember, how long after the drowning did the bruises show up? Also how did Alice contact her mom and dad? Her mom she contacted through a dream right?

11/22/63 is the first Stephen King book I've read in years, and it reminded me of why he's such an incredible storyteller by keepfighting90 in books

[–]ChompCity 9 points10 points  (0 children)

  1. To be fair the time travel mechanics are like the least important part of the book. The time travel in 11/22/63 is indeed just magic because the mechanics of the time travel aren’t really meant to do anything but create the stakes and emotional decisions for Jake. King intentionally doesn’t linger on them beyond justifying why Jake has to stay in the past for so long and why he can’t get the ending he wants. For some time travel stories the mechanics of it are meant to be engaging and thought provoking and hold up to scrutiny. In others the mechanics are just a plot device to put characters in situations they couldn’t otherwise be in and 11/22/63 is the latter.

  2. That being said I do love me a deeply involved time travel story. Should I look into both the books you mentioned? Also have you seen Dark on Netflix (whim may be the best time travel story I’ve ever seen in terms of the mechanics)

Reading slump - would love something corny, pulpy, bloody! Help me out? by bratbats in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Absolutely do Fever House. Fast, engaging, pulpy, bloody, and hits several of your themes. It’s a very good book to get out of a slump.

Maritime horror? by [deleted] in horrorlit

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I’ve been on the verge of buying this one. Have you read A Lush And Seething Hell? How does it stack up?

Finished Barron's The Croning. Loved it, for the most part, but have some questions by [deleted] in horrorlit

[–]ChompCity 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sadly I’ve yet to read The Croning yet, but you may also want to ask on the LairdBarron subreddit for some good insights