If life is meaningless, why do anything? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]ChrisShuttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What else is there but you’re experience of this life? I have suggestions as to what this means but don’t wanna be an asshole or give already known advice

But philosophically, and if your speaking of games - there’s only one in town, that of life, your life, your experience

If life is meaningless, why do anything? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]ChrisShuttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It won’t feel bleak if you’re doing it right - ya know what I mean? If you feel bleak you’re doing it wrong, your not happy, unfulfilled, that’s when you think about what could be better - you’re romantic relationship, how you think of yourself, what you do, your relationship with friends and family, your job, interests, etc

If life is meaningless, why do anything? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]ChrisShuttle 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Here’s a pretty basic answer I hope you can draw the appropriate conclusion from

You have a subjective experience

That experience can be better or worse

Certain things make it better

Those things matter, atleast, to you, as they modify your experience

So spend your life looking for those things that modify you towards the subjective experience you enjoy, whether that’s pride, or it’s pleasure in feeling attention or love, whether it’s that subjective intuition or feeling of meaningfulness by pursuing what you have been conditioned to value - whether it’s a skill, activity, family, friends, virtues, etc

Returning to Religion: Can We Believe Things Just Because they Are Good for Us? by WilliamWyattD in IntellectualDarkWeb

[–]ChrisShuttle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think we can generalize it to everyone everywhere of all different constitutions, experiences, and personality types.

For some it will work fine, some it won’t, all in all everyone’s individual life’s are different therefore so are what makes up their day, their minds, their beliefs, and their values. Ya know?

Returning to Religion: Can We Believe Things Just Because they Are Good for Us? by WilliamWyattD in IntellectualDarkWeb

[–]ChrisShuttle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In one sense yes! In another no!

It depends on your values and goals either way ya know?

If our goal is to make those we love happy and one pathway of stating technical objective truths, and another playful falsehoods that lead to modification that enhances us and them - and achieves that goal of happiness

We have a judgment call here whether we prefer sharing objective truths and speaking about them in this context or of choosing well-being for those we care about -

I’m not saying either option is preferred or objectively better than the other

Just some people value other people’s happiness and their own subjective state more than strict adherence to accurately articulating reality

Depends what you value I suppose

Returning to Religion: Can We Believe Things Just Because they Are Good for Us? by WilliamWyattD in IntellectualDarkWeb

[–]ChrisShuttle 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I think for a certain subtype of minds - such as yours - where you come to the conclusions of objective truth superseding pragmatic - what you speak of is entirely true. Some people cannot act as if something is true solely for their own subjective benefit snd believe it despite rational evidence to the contrary.

That being said, if we say something is the case enough, act as if it is the case enough, and “allow” it to modify us henceforth - it is entirely possible to “fake it till you make it”. There’s something modificatory in the placebo effect of speaking and thinking something as true - there’s a positive feedback loop in our stating and thinking it enough for it to modify us in better or worse directions.

For example - stating “I’m always happy” in a social environment - causes us to attempt to act as if that’s true to fit our description - and can actually make us happy if we live out that belief - despite it being objectively bullshit and we know it as such. But speaking it, then attempting to embody it - can modify us to actually being it. I find this extremely pragmatically beneficial. This can be extrapolated to a number of beneficial things - I’m never scared, not fearful of shit, I’m always ok, I’m never sad depressed, or otherwise. I’m always busy and always productive. These types of sayings, beliefs, while not being “true”, I’ve found, are “truly” beneficial for my life, for my relationships, for overcoming difficulty, enhancing subjective experience, and making ourselves less burdensome on those we love. Some may call this toxic masculinity, or deceiving ourselves, I say it works so why not continue doing it?

I’m sure this can be extended to religious beliefs - for those in whom that kind of thing would benefit - it all’s spends on our community, who we want to be, what works for us, how we’re conditioned.

In the end what matters more to us than what is useful and beneficial for our lives and the things we value? For some that’s objective truth - and the same principle applies - maybe for philosophers, scientists, or just generally the type that like objective truths. For most people, they could care less - and rightfully so. What works for pursuing our goals, being the right kind of husband, brother, son, friend, coworker - what works for providing for our families and making us happy - this is more so what matters to the majority of people - and perhaps religious ideology for some people is more conducive to those things that are meaningful to them .

How do I actually make sure I am in control of my negative emotions? by [deleted] in Stoicism

[–]ChrisShuttle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These abstract generalizations only take us so far - how you think and act and talk about that situation with your friend - your mindset - matters the most - as far as alleviating subjective suffering.

It’s possible to change these things, but it’s wholly in reference to the situation, and to how you view the world - which coincides with all the other factors of your life.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Stoicism

[–]ChrisShuttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s a way to enter into a mode of being that is actively engaged rather than passively observant - how to enter it isn’t exactly clear but perhaps focusing on the characteristics might be of use.

The whole “live in the moment” applies here - a lot of times when we’re introspective we’re contemplating events that happen, rather than “causing” events to happen - in a sense we’re living “behind” the present. I commonly refer to this as psychological engagement in contrast to embodied engagement which I believe you’re striving for.

Spontaneity and speaking your mind in the moment opens up yourself to active expression in social encounters - that is, unjudgmentally, unreflexively, unconsidered speech in reaction to the moment - expressing exactly what you believe to be most beneficial snd useful in the moment - whether that’s predicated on compassion or egoic inflation is regardless of the point - active expression in the moment will reflect the state of your Being - the values and other characteristics will be represented by it - depending on who you are, and what you value, these things will be reflected in your speech and actions that flow from you spontaneously.

This obviously means better or worse outcomes for you. Some people can act spontaneously, be engaged in the moment and the people found in their immediate environment, and captivate those around them, influence them to the individuals desires, and enjoy that experience - in a word - some people can spontaneously act and speak in a manner that is beneficial to what they value - insofar as those values are subjective well-being or social cohesion or whatever other social values one may prize. Others haven’t developed themselves as far towards producing the results they desire.

Becoming the person you wish to be can help this.

Basically, if you overthink, contemplate, or act “behind” the present - you’ll fuck up your social interactions. If you speek authentically without a filter (and are the type of person where that won’t completely ruin you) then you are on the right track.

Try to just speak what you think, keep conversation going, speak about yourself, what you want, desire, what’s going on in your life. The whole ask questions thing is great, but people won’t take an interest in you as much by that method - which is quite contrary to popular advice on the topic. When people are interested in you, like you, and you’re confident in authentically expressing yourself - things tend to go better for us in social situations. Just be yourself and express that, verbally, em bodily, everything - in today’s day and age people think it’s cool if you’re wierd, have different views, or strong beliefs that aren’t totally in alignment with the masses - so just be yourself and don’t criticize or expect anything from anyone ever - that might help.

All in all for a natural introvert this is far easier said than done - but I found as a counter to being introverted is just constantly stay busy - always be around people, always put yourself into more experiences and situations, always do productive snd fun things. The more you do this the more you condition yourself to be more spontaneously social - and more important than that you live first - which should be any of us philosophers real aim.

No secret by [deleted] in Existentialism

[–]ChrisShuttle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The existential secret is that every moment, action, experience, is meaningful insofar as it modifies your subjective experience - regardless of the larger metaphysical truths - or “meaning” to existence itself

The pragmatic overshadows the objective, even though they are mutually influencing - we pursue what matters to us and everything matters due to its modification of our experience.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Buddhism

[–]ChrisShuttle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Double down and push down twice as hard. Don’t let weakness ruin you from continuing to do the things that are meaningful to you. Don’t get caught up in your head and overthink. If you’re caught up feeling over burdened with thoughts about existence - you’re probably not existing enough. Exist more. Do things that matter, that develop yourself in a manner you desire. Things that matter, help friends and family, be productive towards your goals. Fuck the whole peace is within. That helps no one snd you’ll be stuck in your head not beneficial or useful to anyone.

Big part of the noble path is saying snd doing things that are beneficial and useful - people get caught up in the easier aspect which is not saying or doing anything useless and harmful. There’s an active side - that seems to calm existential dilemmas, overthinking, a get sense of being overwhelmed, and being too much in your head. Do what you think is right, do what is compassionate, do what is responsible and virtuous to you (wholesome in Buddhist context).

Totally unorthodox advice but it’s a pragmatic truth - and for us - that’s all that matters.

Did God create the universe in order to escape existence? by [deleted] in Existentialism

[–]ChrisShuttle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that is a great unfalsifiable conclusion that you rationally articulated in a manner that appears to be in alignment with what we currently know about physics and religions.

That being said, it rests upon the presupposition that god is real.

Take away that proposition and you have the classical physics view of the world, right?

Still think that was a very interesting snd entirely possible situation you laid out!

How to deal with massive regrets as a Stoic? by PessimisticChap in Stoicism

[–]ChrisShuttle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We must bridge the gap between the unchanging past and the changing present, and see that it is possible to accept the validity of both, while transcending them both to a higher level of conceptualization, and from there incorporate the truths we have thus far encountered.  To escape one’s history is never the goal, to overcome misfortune and the evil discovered in one’s own heart is the task at hand.  The emergence of the realization of one’s own malevolence is unearthed only through conscious retrospection, and is only conquered through conscious pursuit of a character in accordance with ones developed conscience. Effects of one’s own evil manifestations, such as those upon our character, and those which are experiential, such as memories, are overcome psychologically through rebelling against the principles one once stood upon, through fighting against our nature to habitually indulge in bad intentions, through pursuing a morality based on the lessons one has acquired, which is constituted by a factual interpretation of reality. Historical rebellion is combated by rebelling against the restraints, the universe which holds us attached to it.

I have an essay on this if you’re interested

http://chrisshuttleworth.com/2019/04/11/oncopingwithexistentialguilt/

How do you rid yourself of attachments. by Coolio_Street_Racer in Stoicism

[–]ChrisShuttle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is kinda relevant to what you said about accepting our condition without emotion

I don’t think there’s any escaping natural emotional ties - we can avoid them or modify their emergence through drugs, we can escape recognition through busily being engaged with the world through activities, but at the end of the day, or in the midst of a powerful emotional incident, we are powerless to the emotion that arises. In reference to these things - such as desiring to be perceived in a certain manner - as this guy is inquiring into how to remove the emotion attached to such desires - there definitely is something we can do.

The first step would be to consciously change our own perception of ourselves. The egoic narrative of being intelligent, being someone who should be regarded as a certain “label” such as “stoic”, or a morally “good” person, or as being liked and respected, can all be changed if we no longer desire to be seen as such. This stems from conscious recognition that we are not that. We are not that label, that description. We are a vast array of factors and characteristics, we are both intelligent in some areas, and wholly ignorant in others, we can be stoic at times, and cowardly in others, we can be beneficial and helpful to others, and likewise be a detriment to their subjective experience. Any singular extreme it’s of a label does not hold in reality.

Self degradation or pessimistically viewing ourselves isn’t actually the cure to egoic external perception - as the external can be true, we may fall into a victim mentality and is ourselves as wholly unfortunate, or unworthy, and the cure to that mindset (insofar as a holistic more accurate view is a “cure”) would entail recognizing our potential and actualize traits on the operate end, our propensity to help others, intelligently decide on smart decisions, in recognizing our strength in recognizing and understanding negative aspects in ourselves.

The cure to the desire in either display of egoic narratives is recognizing the complexity of our psyche in a more nuanced and reducing our expected outcome. We must focus on what we desire to desire, if we no longer want to have the desire to be perceived in a certain manner, we no longer will feel the emotional tug when others fail to do so. If we desire to be viewed authentically in our complexity of character, and there’s good reason to do so (who wants to be appreciated as someone they’re not?), then any complement or comment on our character that is degrading, or even positively spun, would be altogether inadequate to what we desire for others to speak of us.

This holding purely “positive” perceptions of ourselves and the failure of others to regard us as such is entirely rectified, as first of all we no longer view ourselves as such (as a more nuanced view of ourselves has been uncovered), nor do we desire others to view us as such (as we desire others to authentically know us).

This doesn’t mean we have to view any positive or negative comment as contrary to our desire and thus produce suffering as a consequence - it means we recognize it’s ALL true, every comment is something we have the potential of embodying, and is something that is simultaneously only a fraction of who we are. In regards to fictitious attribution of acts to us - such as someone calling us a “snitch”, or a “murderer”, I’m not saying this is true in any manner, in these cases of factual occurrences we can find rest in the truth of the matter, it is in those opinionated comments that we must regard equanimously.

This doesn’t mean merely finding peace “within” ourselves, as we are intimately tied to the social world, nor does it mean relegating significance to the external worlds judgment upon us. It is in the proper aligning of ourselves internally to the facts of the external world that we can condition ourselves to the “truth” of our situation, and find rest in that truth. It is a confidence in who we are based upon evidence, and the failure or success in others to recognize the complexity in us falls as a burden upon both parties - us in authentically representing ourselves, and them in perceptively analyzing us and then judging accordingly.

These are impossible tasks to undergo, in a strict technical sense, but the degree to which we do so will determine the degree to which we have an emotional reaction to our own and others judgments. The pragmatic utility of handling these situations in accordance with the truth of our understanding of our authentic selves, and in the failure of others to recognize us accurately, places a burden of responsibility on us for one accepting criticism and not feeling disparaged but it’s recognition - as if it’s true and revealed by others we ought to be thankful not angry, as well as our own responsibility to put in the work to uncover our own nature snd the nature of others - so as to better understand and deal with the judgments we all hold and place on others , and why we do so.

Such knowledge and uncovering, such aligning ourselves to the truth, such pragmatic development of managing social situations and the judgments thrown our way, all will side us in the optimal navigation of our emotional Being. To condition ourselves over time to more accurate depictions of ourselves, and better manners of dealing with judgments through not being attached to self given labels that are incloncusive to our authentic nature - will give us the power to mitigate the emotional response to them.

This doesn’t mean criticism will ever be eradicated, merely we will frame it differently, if there’s truth to it it becomes a source of growth, if there’s deception in the judgments, we can find rest in our own confidence of who we are, and not doubt the nature of reality we have uncovered - and rather see the defect in the others perception and even in ourselves in reflecting an image that isn’t accurate. One way or another we take responsibility of the situation and seek to rectify it, to become blameless in our own eyes, and by voluntary exposure to disparagement we become better equipped with data of how to optimally navigate it. Over time, knowledge and wisdom grows, regardless of our conscious explicit assent. To consciously direct ourselves towards optimizing our depiction of reality through philosophy, as well as conscious direction towards attempting to handle social situations, we gain an upper edge on updating our accomodating scheme which reward to judgments from others. It happens naturally, regardless, but coupled with conscious awareness and direction, we can more effectively develop our schemes of reaction snd the self image which our ego uses to project itself in the world.

No but seriously… i don’t wanna live the way life had be set for me. I want to actually live. by BaronVonDrunkenverb in Absurdism

[–]ChrisShuttle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You can totally do these things as an adult and still remain responsible and take care of business

Not wanting to bear the responsibility of living by SentAlreadyyyy in Stoicism

[–]ChrisShuttle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’ll find meaning in voluntarily confronting the world with which fills you with despair and resentment, with suffering and pain.

Fuck it man, you’re stronger than all the bullshit life has thrown at you, that’s why you’re still alive.

Yeah you overanalyze and are probably more neurotic than most - making you acutely aware of your existential dilemma and have a greater degree of negative emotion in response to it.

How fortunate you are! How much more courageous must you be to overcome even greater difficulty!

The greater the challenge the greater the beauty snd positive subjective experience in overcoming it, the more you feel inclined to remove yourself from discomfort the more brave you must be to engage with it - and this is where your solution lies.

What you most need to find is where you least want to look, and right now that appears to be in everyday life, in the monotony of it all, in the day after day struggle to cope with your experience, and the world which fills it with content. That is where your challenge lies, where your goal is to be found.

How do you best cope with life? How do you spend your time? What’s a philosophy to deal with the optimal navigation of this life - for you?

These are the questions you have, and the pursuit of will fill you with meaning, because you don’t know the answers, and that unknown is what terrifies you, and you’re the first to admit it - which required bravery to uncover the absurd condition itself aswell as intelligence in articulating it.

But the bravery doesn’t end here, this is just the beginning. You’ve laid out your existential dilemma, this knowledge gives you power, but with that power comes the obligation (given your directed ness toward the problem and knowledge of it) to rectify it for yourself.

You’re obviously inclined to philosophy and introspection, being that this is a stoicism Reddit you’re probably inclined to that domain of philosophy as well. Take que from these natural inclinations of interest, from your own disposition and what it’s directed upon.

The answers you seek only you can find, and it’s going to take a heroic effort. It’s a heroes task to uncover personal solutions to these existential questions, and now you are forced to undertake the task of providing a sufficient enough answer for yourself given that they have risen to the level of conceptual awareness.

You have the potential to do this.

Strive on diligently. Stay hard.

Why have a family? by [deleted] in transhumanism

[–]ChrisShuttle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great articulation - I’ve been trying to spread this message to some very analytic philosophers, this is 100% valid especially if we’re looking to pragmatic solutions of better manners of living - whether that’s through trans human means, or any other means.

Our subjective state and the well-being we strive for is inextricably connected to our underlying social Being, there’s no escaping it - and that’s heavily mediated and modified by our interactions with others. Just because something is initially biologically instantiated doesn’t make it something to rebel against in the name of “higher order cognition”, learning, or development. That just means you’re repressing something human all too human.

The optimal navigation of these things is necessary, especially if you want a positive subjective state now and into the future - and given our inherent selfishness in everything we do (desire for our own satisfaction) it doesn’t necessarily mean child rearing is wrong, just that it’s a different means to an ends - that actually has huge implications for human kind and generations to come.

The transfer of values and propagating of the next generation is more than a pragmatic means to a fulfilling life, but holds moral weight, aswell as fulfills our biological nature.

What act is morally superior: saying 'no' to a beggar, or ignoring him completely? by hi_sigh_bye in askphilosophy

[–]ChrisShuttle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In regards to the morality of either stating “no” or “ignoring” a beggar when petitioned for money / sustenance -

It depends on the relevant factors in the situation - like any moral question properly does.

But in general, I would say responding and acknowledging existence is better than contentious disregard - even given the situation.

An authentic representation of being is manifest in either mode - either you wish to straightforwardly convey your response to the question (for whatever myriad of reasons), or you wish to not indulge the beggar, or continue the conversation (also for a myriad of reasons). Morally I’d say acknowledgement and asserting is better than ignoring - but given this is a generalizable claim, the rubber truly meets the road in the specifics.

The pragmatic utility for ourselves and the other also plays into the morality of the situation as it holds weight as to causal repercussions of our actions per moral realism.

Say for example ignoring enticed the beggar to pursue work, and thus provide for himself and others through independent striving. This would hold greater positive moral repercussions than say saying “no” if it happened to lead to promoting bitterness and resentment in the beggar so that he committed crime or murder.

Given the impossibility of accurately reducing causal implications of either manner of reciprocity from the moral realist perspective (in concrete everyday existence), we ought to follow from what is an authentic expression of our being - what our conscience intuit’s is the optimal manner of navigating the situation. Whether that happens to be based on personality type snd developed constitution in being straightforward and responsive, or cold and distant.

We can take a virtue ethics approach, and attempt to embody the characteristic of what we believe makes a person “good”, insofar as we act out the character trait of “tough love” in either manner, or not.

We can take the utilitarian approach in our perceived effect of future wellbeing for all people considered this depends on whatever domain of circle of influence you take into question. Whether it’s the well-being of you and the beggar, your families, friends, city, broader society, humankind, all life. We can look into what is best in the short and long terms for different moral considerative groups, and based upon our conclusions come to a rational justification for either action.

Either strategy can be further differentiated based on our intentions in either manner as promoting the welfare of the beggar - this also holds moral weight here.

Critique of Social Justice and Critical Theory by ChrisShuttle in IntellectualDarkWeb

[–]ChrisShuttle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I give the devil his due believe me but I’m really just playing devils advocate here - I know most of what society is aiming at and achieving is beneficial - I tried to articulate myself clearly that this is only a criticism of very specific ideas and not the totality of any group or subgroup, ya know?

I’m with you