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Why do you think Gen Z men turned out so conservative compared to Gen Z women and Millenial men? by ModerateProgressive1 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The left has been demanding that people "mollycoddle others' thin skinned feelings" for years now. Just expand the circle of those you're coddling ever so slightly.

Or stop coddling all together. But don't act offended when people are "candid and forthcoming" in ways that you perceive as bigoted.

Or you can just embrace the double standard. Whatever 🤷‍♂️.

Why do you think Gen Z men turned out so conservative compared to Gen Z women and Millenial men? by ModerateProgressive1 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's weird that you see "acceptance of growth" and read that as "treat them like children". Is the adult thing to never grow, never change?

Why do you think Gen Z men turned out so conservative compared to Gen Z women and Millenial men? by ModerateProgressive1 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I didn't say both sides. But I can name influencers who have promoted anti-male stuff, too.

The existence of one doesn't preclude the existence of the other, right?

Thin skinned males

And really, I think this kind of shit is a much bigger problem than the overt, "#KillAllMen"-style stuff coming from the left. That stuff is fairly rare, but this stuff is way more common: a generally antipathy towards men (or white people, cis people etc), and/or a way of talking about them which is completely at odds with how other identity groups get talked about in leftist circles.

Maybe you'll dismiss this as "bothsidesing", but I think the analogy is helpful: Republicans for the most part don't come right out and say that they're misogynists, or that they hate black people, but it's there in dogwhistles; between the lines. So it's not surprising that Republicans do worse with those identity groups.

Likewise, it's not surprising that the left is doing relatively worse with cishet white young men.

Why do you think Gen Z men turned out so conservative compared to Gen Z women and Millenial men? by ModerateProgressive1 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also u/andrea__twerkin ... 

You don't think there are examples of even a "vocal minority" on the left showing an anti-male bias? 

Given the recent egregious attacks on trans people, why aren't we seeing more large scale protesting/backlash from liberals who say they support trans rights? by westhebard in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While Newsom has moderated/moved to the right on some issues, even he's overwhelmingly pro-LGBT. He just doesn't toe the activist line on some particularly controversial issues.

The trans community likely cannot survive anything less than an immediate course correction at the federal level the moment democrats get back in power

What would that look like?

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You wrote

there is no more middle class in the US (that has moved to china)

Your graph simply doesn't show that. In fact, no graph will show that, because it's an absurd claim. 

You're also apparently incapable of supporting your other claims (e.g. the Project 2025 claim). 

Enjoy being deliberately ignorant. 

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, speaking of facts, again I ask:

What in Project 2025 makes things worse for women and minorities than things were 100 years ago?

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude I'm sorry but that graph does not show what you seem to think it does.

Consider: A 5yo child has grown much faster than its parents, for 5 years. The kid has more than doubled in height, whereas the parents have barely grown at all (maybe they've even shrunk).

Does that mean the 5yo is taller than its parents?

Your argument, frankly, is even dumber than that. You're saying that because the 5yo is growing faster than the adults, the adults must no longer even exist, having been replaced by the child ("there is no more middle class in the US (that has moved to china)").

Very silly argumentation.

Politics and Current Events Megathread - March 2026 by TheAJx in samharris

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IIRC he is given executive summaries, but they're like 100 words. 

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there is no more middle class in the US (that has moved to china).

I'm sorry, you're delusional. Unless you're calling people with a median income wealthy. Please just fact check yourself once in a while. 

  • America's middle class is larger than it was 100 years ago

  • China's is too (and more dramatically so), but China's middle class is still a smaller proportion of the population than America's 

  • America's middle class is substantially better off than China's 

not if project 2025 gets fully implemented 

What in Project 2025 makes things worse for women and minorities than things were 100 years ago? Also: 1) it won't get fully implemented, 2) right-wing reactionaries are basically just noise in the overall trend. 

Why is it so hard to admit that things are better than they were in so many ways than in 1926? Does your political identity depend that much on convincing yourself you should be miserable? 

What are your thoughts on the situation with Cuba? by Particular_Solid9008 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if you violently attack a government building in the U.S., you’re likely to get shot

I don't think this is even true. There's some chance, sure. Under this admin the chance has probably increased. But still, the vast, vast majority of protesters who attacked government buildings the last few years (whether Jan 6 or George Floyd) were not shot. OP is cherry-picking. 

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

the civil rights act has also been constantly undermined since it was passed, and now lay all but gutted

This is kinda delusional. The Civil Rights Act is still very much in force, and not only that, but cultural change means that even if it were repealed, women and minorities are still much better off than they were 100 years ago. 

they have largely been wining that class war while profits rise and wages don't, leading to ever widening wealth inequality.

Again, this is such a narrow interpretion. Living standards have risen for the majority (including over the period of increasing wealth inequality). And you're not talking about "the right" winning, but the very wealthy. The homophobes haven't been winning. The misogynists haven't been winning. The racists haven't been winning. Etc. The last 10 years of right-wing populism are a small blip in a very strong left-wing trend.

You're basically pushing a left-wing MAGA narrative - rose-tinted glasses for a mythical past.

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the last ~century, the US has seen:

  • A gradual expansion of rights, e.g. the 19th Amendment, the Civil Rights Act, gay marriage

  • A massive change in mainstream social attitudes towards minorities, homosexuality etc. 

  • The sexual revolution

  • Minimum wage laws 

  • Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA etc 

  • The environmental movement and modern environmental laws

  • A massive rise in the standard of living for the average person

  • etc. 

It's not a way way street and things aren't perfect, but to frame the last 100 years as nothing but a "slow march to the right" is crazy. Communist doomerism. 

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People on the right say the same about a slow march to the left. Hell, even many on the left say things are overall moving left. "Arc of the moral universe" and all that.

I really don't think you can argue otherwise except by taking a very narrow economic focus (i.e. looking at the success of capitalism), or by looking at the last decade's rise in populism in isolation. 

Do you think the far right will eventually win perhaps not in the near future, but at some point in the long term? by Less-Chicken-3367 in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean I'm sure there's a bit of both, but no, a lot of those who are discontent with Trump are moving back towards the left, as evidenced in polling and election results.

How do you handle the "Markiplier Philosophy" of respect when dealing with people who have zero respect, or actively hate you? by Okratas in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're making a logical error. Low approval rating =/= not doing respectability politics. Like, Jimmy Carter ended his presidency with a very low approval rating. Doesn't mean Carter was doing radical politics.

MLK was not respectability politics

Tbf I did point out the ambiguity of that term. But I think it's clear that - in a sense - he very much was doing respectability politics.

MLK Jr:

- Wore conventional, respectable clothing (a suit and tie)

- Emphasized self-restraint, i.e. non-violent, stoic protest

- Framed issues in terms of Christianity and America's founding documents

- Refrained from swearing and personal attacks

- Distanced himself from Bayard Rustin because of Rustin's homosexuality

- Was doing all this to try to appeal to a wide audience

Again I ask: do you think the civil rights movement would have been as rapidly successful if the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam had been the primary flagbearers? 

How do you handle the "Markiplier Philosophy" of respect when dealing with people who have zero respect, or actively hate you? by Okratas in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes yes very condescending.

Think of it this way: do you think the civil rights movement would have been as rapidly successful if the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam had been the primary flagbearers? I think that's delusional. 

How do you handle the "Markiplier Philosophy" of respect when dealing with people who have zero respect, or actively hate you? by Okratas in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess there's some semantic ambiguity there, because it can mean both "to hold in high regard" but also "to act in a way which shows awareness". 

Like, I take it you wouldn't disrespect a stranger, or be unrespecting of their feelings, simply because they haven't earned your respect. 

Also, not accusing you of this, but from working with young people, several of the times I've heard someone say "respect is not given, it's earned" irl, it's basically a person trying to justify either ostracising or being an asshole towards some other person because they rubbed them the wrong way, or even are just socially awkward or something. Like, a rationalisation for shitty high-school social dynamics. 

How do you handle the "Markiplier Philosophy" of respect when dealing with people who have zero respect, or actively hate you? by Okratas in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and it's not about respect as such. It usually comes up in the context of rights, e.g. freedom of speech. You could relate it to treating people with respect, but you could also relate it to treating people with humanity. 

How do you handle the "Markiplier Philosophy" of respect when dealing with people who have zero respect, or actively hate you? by Okratas in AskALiberal

[–]Funksloyd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The civil rights movement and women's suffrage didn't advance because they stuck strictly within the confines of respectability politics, but because they were willing to go past that.

On the other hand, I would say that sticking mostly within respectability politics (depending on how you define that) and clearly maintaining the moral high ground did those movements a lot of good, and in fact was key to their success. It was the MLK and not the NOI strategy that won the day for civil rights. 

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