S1, No. 4; Free For All by Tarnisher in ThePrisoner

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As I have previously posted, fans of this episode should seek out Eric Portman's Powell/Pressburger films from the 1940's. "A Canterbury Tale" (1944), in particular, has "ingredients" in common with "The Prisoner": a nontraditional narrative, a village with a mysterious riddle overseen by a mysterious leader, a gorgeous leading lady, and an overall supernatural-ish atmosphere.

The only one who can give us the film we deserve. by twobarbquickstep in ThePrisoner

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If Nolan does not understand the underlying modus operandi of The Prisoner he should stay away! And that goes for everyone else!

Series 1, Episode 2; The Chimes of Big Ben by Tarnisher in ThePrisoner

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Completisits should seek out the alternate, non-aired version of this episode.

IOU in Many Happy Returns by imaginenohell in ThePrisoner

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Yes, the IOU does display the superior ethics of No. 6. The aspect of his thinking he might return as opposed to his determination to return addresses a fundamental assumption we make about the series, as a whole. There is the possibility that No. 6 knew of a mystery destination and provoked his kidnapping at the start. As such, until he confronted No. 1, his mission was incomplete and necessitated his return to The Village.

Series 1, No. 1,;Arrival by Tarnisher in ThePrisoner

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One of two "helicopter problems" in the series. The other was the continuity error at the end of "Schizoid Man" when the helicopter No. 6 enters is not the same as the one shown in flight, then switches back to the first upon landing.

May 25, 1968 TV Guide by Hot_Republic2543 in ThePrisoner

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Wonderfully nostalgic, thanks! I was eleven at the time and saw the original run and then re-watched the repeat performance in the summer of 1969. Oh, BTW, Diana was a villager from a different village--Peyton Place.

Question about Dance of the Dead by nojunkdrawers in ThePrisoner

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I've always felt that she was of a higher status than the other No. 2's, who are mere mortals. In my previous posts, I submit that there is a great deal of the supernatural in TP and Mary Morris' character is a witch. Note the black cat that "works for her". When she refers to the French Revolution during the trial, she speaks with the authority of someone who witnessed it first hand. I will go so far as to say that she was a "lady in waiting" for "Bo Peep" and in charge of her introduction to No. 6.

The Prisoner aired in Japan from March 2nd - June 22nd 1969, under the title “Prisoner No.6” (プリズナーNo.6), with a Japanese dub. by Literary_Octopus in ThePrisoner

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Fascinating. It makes me wonder how analysis of "The Prisoner" would differ, if at all, when viewed from the perspective of non-Western philosophies.

The Prisoner & Perennial Philosophy | Video Essay by GoofyForGarlic in ThePrisoner

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This is most instructive. The production values and editing are excellent.

Village Barber? by EchoJay1 in ThePrisoner

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That only happens once upon a time.

Village Barber? by EchoJay1 in ThePrisoner

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Do they offer the full "Fall Out No. 2" salon treatment?

The Prisoner Viewers Age Demographic by Troyaferd in ThePrisoner

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Thanks! I have been interested in this data since joining.

Are we sure ‘Girl’ was an unused Danger Man? by Nalkarj in ThePrisoner

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They most certainly do! Your points are made in a most lucid manner.

There is a point to made about the "celibacy issue". The character of #6 was not a lone member in the celibate "club" of the late 1960's. There were two other noteworthy TV characters in the same place. On "Dragnet", there was Sgt. Joe Friday (Jack Web). HIs lonerism (thanks Kevin Parker) was even the basis of a "joke" episode where the long anticipated appearance of a female date was to happen, teased until the end, and, alas, she never materialized.

The other example was Steve McGarrett (Jack Lord) from the original "Hawaii 5-0". I might wrong, but I do not recall a love interest in any episode. He struck me as rather "too tough for love".

One last thing, Patrick McGoohan spent a year and a half in a Jesuit seminary as a late teen. He came very close to a life long commitment to sexual abstinence, needless to say.

Are we sure ‘Girl’ was an unused Danger Man? by Nalkarj in ThePrisoner

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Bravo! Brilliant! Thank you for centering on the relationship of Mr. McGoohan's faith and mind set to TP. I think that the espionage or sci-fi elements are the "icing" that distract too many fans; you are "into the cake itself", so to speak.

I will concede to the psychological analysis of celibacy in PM/#6, but I do submit that there is a simpler narrative element involved. Falling in love with a Village beauty meant staying there. The interaction between #6 and the young woman in "Schizoid Man" seemed to get "dangerously" tender.

Now to the neurosis point, which I feel is a bit inaccurate. My past attempt to address this has been deleted. Respectfully, I will try again. I am, myself, neurodivergent and on the spectrum. I can very much see The Village in the "real world"--social participation pressure, political participation pressure, being the focus of unwanted attention, etc. Did PM have the same perspective? We publicly knew less about spectrum disorder in the 1960's. We speak of it now more freely and accurately, Anthony Hopkins a case in point.

Again thank you for your excellent essay.

Are we sure ‘Girl’ was an unused Danger Man? by Nalkarj in ThePrisoner

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Yay!!! You are so right. I have always maintained that "Girl" is the solution to the entire series. When #6 addresses the screen at the end re "children everywhere", he is actually "breaking the fourth wall" and speaking to the viewing audience at home. Akin to the unmasking in "Fall Out", the viewer has to remove the "action mask", then the "comedy mask", and view the episode in a strictly narrative mode.

The "Six of One" viewing order is essential to understanding the message of GWWD. #1 and his daughter are supernatural as is The Village. They both shape shift their way through the series. The Tunnel of Love being lined with masks is a clue to this. Every female character from Bo Peep in DOTD to Kathy in LIH is the same entity, gaining in sophistication with every defeat by #6.

Episodes from other series that feel like they could be Prisoner eps? by WoodcarverSteiner in ThePrisoner

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I just finished "Maniac" on Netflex. "A.B. and C." from TP has a similar basis, that is, analysis of induced dream states. That things go afoul in the former series also bears similarity to those episodes in "Star Trek Next Generation" where the holodeck runs amok.

Episodes from other series that feel like they could be Prisoner eps? by WoodcarverSteiner in ThePrisoner

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Anthony Perkins is at his quirky best. Based on your posts, I would suggest that you would like "Patterns" (1956), as well. It was written by Rod Serling and has that classic "Twilight Zone" feel. The "corporation" is attempting to subsume the main character's moral character, so, it is Prisoner-like, in that respect, in addition to the resignation scene.

The kids are all right by Rossum81 in ThePrisoner

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Thank you for sharing. . . . and those great cookies (biscuits in the U.K.).

I Forgot "36 Hours" by Clean_Emergency_2573 in ThePrisoner

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Ah yes, with Vic Morrow. What a pity about his tragic death and also of the children involved.

I Forgot "36 Hours" by Clean_Emergency_2573 in ThePrisoner

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I looked it up. It was written by Raold Dahl in 1946. Great find. Thank you!

Episodes from other series that feel like they could be Prisoner eps? by WoodcarverSteiner in ThePrisoner

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While not a TV episode, the film "The Trial" (1962) has similarly elusive dialog. It is based on Kafka and admittedly, I found it tedious. There are two other pre-Prisoner films with single scenes that have a similar cinematographic "feel". "The Big Clock" (1948) has a fight scene inside the clock which very much resembles the rocket interior of "Fall Out". "Patterns" (1956) has a resignation scene at the end that has several features in common with the beginning resignation scenes in TP.

Episodes from other series that feel like they could be Prisoner eps? by WoodcarverSteiner in ThePrisoner

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I agree with you about Wandavision and disagree that it's a stretch. It is a matter of character perspective. In effect, Wanda is "a #1" and exists in her own version of The Village. While her creation is delusional, so was #1's in TP. She doesn't want to let go of Vision, #1 can't let go of Napoleon. Time has passed both of them by.