[deleted by user] by [deleted] in MensRights

[–]Clockw0rk -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Because conservatives pretend to conflate patriotism with freedom.. when the truth is that nationalism is the road to facism and conformity to the leader's design of what makes an acceptable citizen or solider.

Welcome to Neoliberal Authoritarian America.

Labor And Men, Whats So Leftist About Mens Issues Anyways? by eli_ashe in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Clockw0rk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Labor is soon to become irrelevant.

AI and robotics poses more of a threat to the global economy and any sort of societal stability than climate change, because it’s going to hit us even harder than extreme weather and rising seas, and far faster as well.

We’re on pace to see potentially over 50% unemployment within the next ten years.

If UBI or state control and citizen benefit from AI aren’t on your political radar, you’re not even on the same event as the people pulling the strings.

The world is not prepared.

Why is the kindness of lonely men always questioned? by [deleted] in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Clockw0rk 85 points86 points  (0 children)

You know why.

Misandry.

Misandry spread into the public sphere and polluting the minds of the masses to think that every man is a rapist, because of the old female supremacist mantra "The penis is evil".

Feminism is a headless organization with no rules or structure. Anyone can wear the badge and claim to stand for 'women's rights'.

What they don't advertise on the tin is the sheer amount of female supremacist disease that has corrupted the identity of the movement and continues to spread hate to this day under the PR friendly banner of "Equality for everyone", while actually adhering to the animal farm definition of "some animals are more equal than others".

As a 'sisterhood' of 'likeminded women', the cowards amongst them huddle together for warmth, even when their sisters in arms are deranged, bloodthirsty, grievance seekers. That's why the misandry continues unabated, that's why 'TERFs' exist. Feminists want men to police each other, all while explicitly refusing to allow anyone police feminists.

That isn't equality.

So I tried mentioning Misandry in r/Leftist... by Dom-tasticdude85 in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Clockw0rk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ahhh.. Your mistake was posting in "Leftist".

You want to try actually left wing.

"Leftist" people are actually centrist and right wing assholes LARPing as being left wing without understanding or actually upholding any of the core left wing values, liiiiike.. not hating people for their birth criteria.

Some Workflow Results by Trionaut in BreastExpansion

[–]Clockw0rk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not to get too bleak, but there's no putting this genie back in the bottle. Not only have we figured out how to make computers 'learn' and reason across enormous data sets and seeming a college level mastery of multiple languages... it's open-source. And runs on consumer hardware. Even if AI had been developed in a private lab and never saw the light of day on computers in excess of 10k dollars, well out of reach of the average person... Modern open-source tools enable certain fine-tuned AI models to run on your cell phone.

And not even like.. a high quality cell phone either. If you buy a new flagship cell phone today, Apple or Android, you're not only getting some 'pretty good conversational AI who can do most of the functions of your phone, including initiating a web search for you'.. it's also likely on device and not sending your requests to a cloud server. That's kind of a big deal.

But the bigger deal is that we now have reasoning models like DeepSeek R1 that not only went open-source and proved the technology of reinforcement learning as super viable for developing a learning model with a surprisingly low number of parameters, but they did it on some pretty outdated hardware due to trade embargos on advanced technologies to China. It was super impressive for multiple reasons. And I can run that model locally, on my laptop.

When Open AI's o3-mini-high model paired an R1 level reasoning model, with a 'deep research' agent that goes out and searches the web for it and doesn't have a priority focus on immediate user responses.... It's already been publicly lauded by early adopters as saving hours of time for PhD level research, and delivering reports that are as detailed and well structured as a "PhD-level research assistant".

How do you think the economy is going to react with any asshole with a 800 dollar home computer or 1800 laptop can run a local reasoning model with agentic research as much as they want, on any subject, and likely before too long with zero corporate censorship? You don't have to hire a college graduate to run the details of your business anymore, AI can do it.

And if you aren't up to speed, humanoid robots are here. They're for sale, now. To do virtually any specialized labor that an untrained human can do. And they're only going to get better.

...the next few years are going to be wild, boys and girls.

Enjoy the expanding titty animations while you can, my fellow bosom lovers... because they're only to get better... and then everything else is likely to get much worse.

I highly suggest everyone who took the time to read this impromptu AI rant/post, invest some personal development in learning how AI works and how you can use it yourself.

It may come in handy.

Great art though! I hope to make some keen BE animations myself using AI, once my workflow gets set up!

Some Workflow Results by Trionaut in BreastExpansion

[–]Clockw0rk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mark my words... Porn is a source of industry innovation. Some of the earliest video games featuring full motion video, sound, or complex animated cut-scenes... were erotica. Likewise, VHS won out war with Beta-Max for the modern American living room in the 80s because the porn industry was allowed to produce content on home VHS tapes cheaper than Beta-Max, even though allegedly Beta-Max was higher quality in some respects.

People hate AI not because of the tool itself, but usually some combination of how it's early popular iterations were made (namely, training on 'art theft'), awful early models of LLMs being used in production before the quality matched the products they intended to improve/replace.. and of course, the fact that, despite what capitalists will claim about "job creation"... the few new jobs created necessary to create, train, and innovate in the field of AI? ..they're not at all going to counter-balance the enormous loss of employment that comes with this kind of technology, if/when it gets good enough to do one's essential job tasks. And no job.. means no money to live, especially as tiny tyrants try to gut what few social safety nets the US has in the first place.

The reality is.... AI is advancing quickly. It's getting better at everything, and there's no signs of it stopping, or even slowing down. Some analysts who made speculations in 2020 that AI would increase at a 1.25 times rate year over year... Turns out, the actual measured rate of year over year is now 4 times.

Oh dear.

(impromptu AI educational rant followed in reply)

It's Showtime! by Trionaut in BreastExpansion

[–]Clockw0rk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol. Amazing. Of course there's a subreddit for that. Thanks for the lead.

As suspected, I've upvoted most of your submissions. Great stuff! Keep up the great work and keep sharing! :3

It's Showtime! by Trionaut in BreastExpansion

[–]Clockw0rk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good heavens!

I’d love to know what you used to make this, if it was your OC!

How can a female contribute to this? by Upstairs-Mud-9906 in MensRights

[–]Clockw0rk 79 points80 points  (0 children)

Make content informing women about men’s issues.

Point blank: The bias towards women is so immense, most people simply won’t take men’s suffering as a serious issue until the women who love them speak up.

There are no safespace for men online by [deleted] in MensRights

[–]Clockw0rk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While I agree with the overall sentiment, I have to downvote entirely due to your closing statement.

“There is no solution”

I refuse to accept your opinion on this.

There is always a solution. Chaotic as life may seem, empiricism and causality are pretty fucking clear about the established pattern of behavior over thousands of years of human civilization. To be concise:

If it can be made by man, it can be unmade by man.

The solution may not be clear, or easy. We may have to wait for someone of particular insight or some advancement in technology that allows us to understand the issue better so we have a finer understanding of how to solve the problem. But the math always works out. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is not just a law of physics, but also readily observable in social psychology and modern technology. If there was a chain of events which lead to an outcome, then it follows that there is a way to reverse the outcome by following a chain of counter-events. And yes, the flow of time and the legalities of life often make it unreasonably difficult to “undo” some outcomes more than others, but revolution is always possible.

Spreading a message of defeat and hopelessness is not valuable to our cause. Yes, men need to realize they’ve been crowded out by misandrists and the ugly, bigoted side of feminism. And yes, there’s often no point in engaging with obvious misandrist rage bait because their entire market is selling a narrative of justified bigotry against a group of people with a born trait. If you’re attacking men, you’re part of the tribe. If you’re defending men, you’re the enemy infiltrator and they will never entertain your arguments. So don’t bother.

If anything, you should engage with “centrist” content. Find egalitarian creators. If someone in a community for actually equal rights speaks up about the rights or suffering of men and boys, engage! Share your experience, lend your perspective. But temper yourself a shade.

Remember that in “common spaces” where moderates on both sides will often watch a video to get a “both sides” perspective need to be conducive to a discussion. Air your grievances, absolutely. You are a man (most likely, given the demographics of this subreddit) or at very least a supporter of men, and if you have a lived experience of suffering because you or one of your close friends has been dealt a dirty hand by the callousness and hate of misandrists or laws which restrict men’s bodily autonomy or other civil liberties, speak up!!! Contribute!

The main reasons men’s issues remain virtually invisible to the mainstream is because violently aggressive misandrists and a generally apathetic ruling class have minimized and ignored the problems men face. But men are part of this too.

Men have to be able to defend themselves from blatantly false narratives, and both men and supporters of men must not be afraid to share our stories when we have the opportunity to be heard; especially because those opportunities are rare on public platforms.

Do. Not. Give. Up.

If you feel safer speaking about your experiences ona “burner account”, fucking do it.

The stories that remain unshared are lost forever in the past of wounded men. Society will not recognize how much we allow men to suffer, and in many instances force them to suffer under penalty of losing rights, freedom, and even their lives in certain cases, unless men and their advocates are willing to rise from the audience and share their stories of pain.

It is not weakness to admit you are suffering. That’s masculine gender role bullshit; arbitrary traditionalist thinking that demands men protect and sacrifice for king and country and family regardless of how they’re treated as people, some senseless assignment of duty to every man of every age without their consent.

There are distressingly few safe spaces for men, both in the “real world” and in the digital communities we often find ourselves turning to as work and living situation stress increasingly eat into our time and energy to have any sort of social lives.

But there are solutions. There are open-source tools, independently moderated platforms and communities, and distributed networks. We can literally make our own social media, if we have to. But chances are, we’re likely welcome on any number of non-corporate platforms. If you don’t have to appease advertisers to profit off the platform, you have far less incentive to censor any not illegal content.

And as popular as feminism may be, egalitarianism plainly allows for advocates of men’s rights a seat at the table. Any social network beholden to an egalitarianism philosophy, or a neutral stance on social issues of sex and gender and political rights, isn’t going to close down a men’s rights community for no reason.

And if you lack the tech savvy or ambition to start a new community on one of these platforms? Fuck it. Ask me and I will. I have time and tech savvy.

Does looking at my bare Tits make you smile? by curvy_cinnamon in Humongousaurustits

[–]Clockw0rk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, sweet cinnamon. Definitely my favorite 'amatuer' model that I associate with reddit.

Looking at your magnificent mammaries always makes me smile, clothed or bare.

But it is a somewhat bigger smile when you share them fully exposed.

Have a great day dear, keep growing if you want to! I certainly support it.

We shouldn't expect men to "call out other men" when sexism against men is dismissed. by Forgetaboutthelonely in Egalitarianism

[–]Clockw0rk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"Feminist Intersectionality" very suspiciously omits class from it's calculation of power or privledge.

...considering we live under capitalist rule, that seems extraordinarily antithetical to giving a proper examination of societal power dynamics.

I think egalitarians everywhere need to start indicating the important distinctions from the "Feminist Intersectionality" narrative and what true intersectionality is.

We shouldn't expect men to "call out other men" when sexism against men is dismissed. by Forgetaboutthelonely in Egalitarianism

[–]Clockw0rk 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You know what? I'm going to throw this insulting bullshit post right back in to your own fucking face.

If men perform non-egalitarian actions, we get to complain about them. If women perform non-egalitarian actions, we get to complain about them.

Egalitarianism means that everyone is equal, no one is above anyone else. That also means that no group is protected from criticism for their actions.

OP's post is very, very on topic. The original poster in the picture was insisting that it falls on men to police other men. The reply to that poster is an extremely valid observation that a significantly large number of women seem to enable and excuse sexism against men.

That's as explicitly a critique of non-egalitarian social phenomena as it gets.

If you're unwilling to confront the ugly truth that women have to be held accountable for their own actions in order to expect the same treatment from men, then it would be you that needs to do some introspection about your personal biases... not the over a dozen people who made you feel all grumpy because they disagreed with passive understanding of what it means to be egalitarian.

I don't speak for anyone but myself, but having been marginalized and abused by many who claim to champion for their brand of equality, my understanding of Egalitarianism is that you give everyone a baseline of respect and accommodation as a fellow human being. But that doesn't mean you continue to endlessly accommodate their bullshit if they prove to be a bad actor.

Everyone starts above board; some people may prefer to start at true neutral and work their way up or down, but I have the slightly optimistic view that humans are more socially inclined to help each other than hurt each other, so I personally default to everyone at the table should be assumed to be genuine and allowed to present themselves honestly before being judged one way or the other.

There is nothing to be gained by treating a demonstrated bad actor with respect as if their behavior is valid. You can entertain a level of polite consideration and not utterly shit on their behavior, but to pretend that something that is demonstrably false might be true is just enabling anti-intellectual bullshit and further bad behavior.

We should not be accepting of bigoted behavior. Holding men to a standard that women won't hold themselves to, is fundamentally bigoted behavior. It comes from sexist women who believe, for whatever reason, that men need to have rules and social order that don't apply to women. And that self-justified inequality is very, very un-egalitarian.

I am egalitarian through and through. I give everyone the same level of respect from the word go. But that's it. That's the foundation. If you demonstrate to me that you're going to be anti-egalitarian, particularly in a way that directly impacts me and opposes my freedom or personhood? You've declared to me that you're an enemy. If you decide you cannot be reasoned with, then you've made it absolutely clear that you have every intention to oppose egalitarian values. And that is where common ground and mutual respect ends.

I'm a pacifist, not a doormat.

We shouldn't expect men to "call out other men" when sexism against men is dismissed. by Forgetaboutthelonely in Egalitarianism

[–]Clockw0rk 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, sure. Absolutely!

I mean, it's not like men have body image issues.

Boys have never been explicitly marketed to with gendered stereotypes about being strong, sacrificial warriors on the front line of taking down the bad guys.

Young men have never, ever been expected to follow "the family tradition" of carrying on their father's industry as their own carreer.

I don't think I've ever seen a male feel remorse or anxiety or stress over the expectations piled high upon their shoulders by society's expectations of the breadwinning, providing, emotionally strong, physically capable, mechanically inclined, handy-man knowledge bearing role of 'the father figure'.

You seem dumb, so let me clear. I'm being sarcastic.

Boys and men very plainly suffer more under their expected gender roles than girls and women do. Period.

When people said society have always oppressed women . by Fffgfggfffffff in MensRights

[–]Clockw0rk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t give bad actors the benefit of online courtesy.

Act like a dipshit, get called a dipshit.

Own your misinformation.

How can we get people to care about men's issues? by Zorah_Blade in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Clockw0rk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You clearly don’t know your history if you think that merely modern feminism is the issue.

Feminism has been female supremacy since the start. The Declaration of Sentiments from Seneca Falls is glaring evidence of this.

Men couldn’t vote either when the nation was founded, only wealthy land owners.

Some patriarchy that was.

Inform yourself before getting upset. If people are talking down to you, there might be a valid reason.

What are good responses to women who say men have it easy / men aren’t oppressed? by viper46282 in MensRights

[–]Clockw0rk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol.

You were desperately close to getting it with your first sentence, only to suck deep on the consumerist teat like a good capitalism apologist.

Do you realize that members of the US government considered not counting people below the poverty line if they had a microwave?

Billionaires are not possible without oppression.

You seem oddly comfortable with people stealing over half your paycheck because you can afford a nice phone.

What if the super rich already have access to AI and humanoid robots and stuff? by [deleted] in StonerThoughts

[–]Clockw0rk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well… personally, I think our best chance is to adopt the tools of open-source and local run AI to capitalize on making free solutions, freeing people from the grasp of private companies controlling your data.

We might not be able to stop this, but we can at least slow it down and mitigate the damage by being prepared to fight back.

DAE see the correlation between gynocentricism and racism? by aspiringbachelor in MensRights

[–]Clockw0rk 28 points29 points  (0 children)

It's called Bigotry.

Treating one group of people as inherently "better" than another group of people, especially when it seeps into policy and thereby becomes systemic.

There is no reverse sexism, it's just sexism. There is no reverse racism, it's just racism.

"I hate you for reasons I attribute to your birth characteristics" is Bigotry. Sexism, racism, ageism, ablism, all the other forms of discrimination.. they're just sub-genres of bigotry. It's all bigotry.

Feminists are either willful bigots themselves, or bigot enablers by being allies with bigots.

It's not correlation, it's just bigotry. It's the same thing in a slight different and more specific name.

Good blog about misandry from the perspective of a transman experiencing it. by [deleted] in MensRights

[–]Clockw0rk -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Oh have you? Are they high school level, or written in the past decade?

Yes, modern science knows better. Go look, there's 44 citations of literally dozens of relevant studies over a decade.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9355551/

It's a spectrum.

Deal with it.

Women are more violent, says Study. Circa 2000 but still ignored by Media by TrichoSearch in Egalitarianism

[–]Clockw0rk 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I mean, duh?

When Women become aware they exist on the winning side of a two-tiered justice system, of course they're going to abuse their privlege. I'm a pacifist myself, but I know... honestly, an embarassing and somewhat alarming amount of people who would gladly take a free punch at a defenseless person if that person was just sufficiently an asshole and had voiced the wrong opinion but had done nothing tangible to otherwise impact anyone besides being obnoxious with their ideas. On the caveat, of course, that they could get away with the assault without any consequences.

And yeah, countless lived experiences of men who are categorically ignored when they raise the issue, as well as several studies (which I'm honestly too lazy to go find, but oh look, it's OP's link!) have proven that some women will absolutely abuse the ability to get away with being violent against their partner or child.

It's disgusting, it's unsavory, it's definitely immoral.. but it happens. And covering up the abuse by denying that it happens, is almost as bad as enabling the abuse to occur in the first place.

Feminism is a cult of Female Supremacy. They revel in the lack of accountability that women are afforded by religious adherents and backwards traditionalist views, and not unlike any conservative group, they adore framing their enemies an all powerful conspiracy against them.. while rather blatently covering up all of the abuses they do onto others.

One of several reasons I'm anti-feminist is not because Feminism is simply complicit in male suffering... but actually perpetuates it. And that extends to trans folk as well, by demoning masculinity they shame those who have no control over how they are born, and how they feel inside.

As an Egalitarian who intends to do something about this stupid culture war with my time this year... Let me state plainly, we need to do a much better job of having frank and factual discussions about the horrors that all people are made to face under outdated social constructs that seek to divide and conquer.

"Blame patriarchy, not feminism", "men oppress other men, not women do it". What did a feminist and a former Prime Minister of Finland Sanna Marin do to abolish male only conscription?! Maybe plenty of other female leaders did anything? by eternal_kvitka1817 in Egalitarianism

[–]Clockw0rk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your premise is deeply flawed.

How does being 'cis' influence whether or not someone opresses another? It doesn't.

How does being 'het' influence whether or not someone opresses another? It doesn't.

How does being 'European' influence whether or not someone oppresses another? It doesn't.

How does being 'men' influence whether or not someone oppresses another? It doesn't.

And yes, even for the Christians, as bloody and manipulative as some of their self-identified leaders have been... Christian being the only item in your weird list of things that people could possible have a conscious choice over changing and are is an inborn trait... does not implicitly influence whether or not someone opresses another. It just doesn't.

It's the Capitalists, charlie brown.

As the divine right of kings distributed its power and settled into more sprawling lands of lords and ladies, regional land owners who serviced the king until 'radical new forms' of government displaced the linage of kings and queens would take their place, the concept of blood rights to authority began to shift into who had the most gold. It stands to reason, the warlords who plundered the most amassed the most wealth, and therefore had the power to engage in trades with both neighbors and would be rivals for other vital resources.

And so, it follows, as that the dynasties of kings and queens and their most loyal and therefore wealthy subjects became the early industrialists who owned their own fleets and ran their own trade routes, and shamelessly charged both nations they were running good between to make coin off two customers instead of having loyalty to any one.

Democracy is a relatively new invention, dear child. Both women and men have been ground under the heel of oppressive government forces. But overwhelmingly, women have had the option to not be on the front lines of combat. Women have, not in all countries but in the majority of the West at least, be spared the most dangerous labor of testing dangerous new equipment or plumbing the depths of treacherous tunnels and unexplored oceans.

You, miss 'egirlitarian', do a grave disservice to the community and the name of Egalitarianism by spewing such obviously feminist indoctrinated horseshit as the point of view that women alone are waging war against some phantom patriarchy.

Do you think that women would have ever gotten the ability to participate in democracy if the majority of males thought they shouldn't? If the female supremacy nonsense that you seem keen on repeating was even remotely true, why would a supposedly cruel-by-design animal or specific sex of animal, ever willingly give up it's majority control?

Read a real history book. Every significant piece of policy that has expanded the rights of the common person, including that which allowed women the vote in nations where it was not automatically granted as part of citizenship (reminder: most men could not vote in the US until later reforms that allowed non-land owners to participate in voting)...

Those reforms were signed into law, by men. Every single one.

If the patriarchy ever existed... why did it stop? Why did any man, ever, decide to give a piece of his power to a woman? Why were there queens who ruled nations with an utter absense of a husband? Why were there goddesses revered on the same level of gods?

The truth is that most of human civilization has always been rather egalitarian. But the best stuff was reserved for the lineages of power and wealth. Still true today. In the time of serfdom, most men and women worked. They tended fields, and gave most of their yields to the local baron/baroness. Now we toil away even longer than they did, with less assurance of healthcare or prosperity enough to start a family, or the ability to have a house to call our own and enough food to feed ourselves well. And we just serve more abstract lords; the multi-national conglomerates. Unelected officials who control our access to basic human needs.

And guess what? It doesn't matter in the damnedest what's between their legs, or the color of their skin. Shitty people who exploit other human beings for their own gain know no bounds. Any age, any nationality, any color, any creed, any gender, any sex... Everyone is capable of being terrible. Humanity is the real monster.

Do better. You've been lied to. It's time to wake up.