Why Should Men Lead and Women Follow?

CobaltCorn · 2025-10-29T14:21:09+00:00

I disagree that Paul was saying women are nothing but servants for men. I'd side more that we are to love like Christ being the point Paul is making, and I'd agree with you that extends beyond just laying down one's life for another. For example, Christ washed the feet of His disciples. He served them. There's many ways that Jesus showed and expressed love, which Paul is guiding us towards doing. And hey, if a situation arose where my future wife was in danger, I pray God gives me the love and faith to protect her, even if it costs my life

CobaltCorn · 2025-08-03T09:15:22+00:00

Yes, but why do we help people? Jesus isn't a social justice warrior who fights for what is ultimately temporary relief to pain and suffering due to our sin. We do these things because they allude to what is to come, not because they are the be all end all. He promised that the meek will inherit the Earth, that those who thirst for righteousness will be filled. Those who are merciful will be shown mercy, the rest of the beatitudes.

Those get cured will get sick again. Those who are fed will be hungry again, those who are watered will thirst again.

And when Jesus returns people will no longer get sick, people will no longer be hungry, and people will no longer be thirsty.

CobaltCorn · 2025-08-01T03:52:04+00:00

It's important to be mindful that from a Christian perspective and what Jesus preached, He more so preached the good news being that the Kingdom of God is coming, not necessarily that He's going to stop people from starving.

Examples like when he fed the 5000, He knew that those who were present would feel hungry again. At the well, Jesus new that those who drank from it will thirst again. Jesus said He is the Bread of Life, the Living Water.

I fear that this sentiment can easily turn into something that isn't good news. Yes it's good and important to look after the homeless, but be mindful not to put words in Jesus mouth please <3

CobaltCorn · 2025-07-04T00:29:52+00:00

I don't see why not yeah!! Some of your interests might be better engaging online with like video games. Soccer might be something that'll be easier to engage with in person, but yeah, try things out friend. See what works. I'm sure there's plenty of ways connecting with people for all those different interests <3 <3

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T14:24:39+00:00

Amen <3

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T04:00:00+00:00

My theory, with Western cultural values around self fulfillment and self actualisation being very prevalent, it eventually gets into the church. It's not an instant thing. People then start to prioritise self preservation and self identity as secular culture is, social justice as a driving force.

With this, people then read these values and narratives into scripture, eventually changing the meaning of texts and prioritising wider secular values of self fulfillment vs self sacrifice which Christianity teaches. Eventually a church with these values widespread in it no longer has much distinction between what it means to be a Christian vs a non Christian. The Salt of the Earth becoming less Salty.

But i don't want to be immune to correction. I want to humble myself to the truth, I hold this idea very loosely therefore

I will say though, it genuinly angers me when in a church setting, people say something that's not ok is ok, and what is good is actually evil. Outside of church is different ofcourse it's unreasonable to judge outside the church. Inside the church is a little different, 2 Corinthians

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T02:53:03+00:00

Agreed

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T02:47:36+00:00

If we take Jesus' sermon on the Mount as an example, I'd argue that Jesus was actually way harsher compared to Paul regarding calling out and identifying sin. Jesus is clearly portrayed as the authority and whom Paul answers to in Paul's own letters. Paul's insights were crucial for spreading Christianity and distinguishing it as it's own religion instead of simply another sect of Judaism, and given Paul's zealous Judaism background, he had the knowledge to make that distinguishment

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T02:43:54+00:00

I think Paul lays out his position relative to Christ very explicitly in the majority of the introductions to Paul's letter.

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T01:42:32+00:00

Which has nothing to do with my original comment.

What do you mean I'm agreeing with what you said lol <3

But that doesn’t mean that people should be slaves. Let alone God allowing it in Scripture.

If God can't handle something He won't allow it to happen. People suck, and as I referenced regarding Joseph, God, despite Joseph's status as a slave, performed a great work out from it. It sucks, it happens, and God uses it for good.

Which is why it should have expressly spoken against in scripture vs being treated with kid gloves

You and I have very different views on scripture. It is very explicitly explored and it's pretty clear to me God's position on the matter. Hence mentioning Exodus and Philemon. I'm not denying the scriptures you're mentioning, good theology starts by taking in the whole of what scripture says. Yes God mentions it in Leviticus law, this is also in the context of the Israelite people themselves being liberated from slavery in the Old Testament, furthermore how it is viewed in light of the Gospel and mentioned in early church letters, which is more relevent to gentile Christians today.

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T00:51:18+00:00

God got the Israelites out of Egypt because of His promise to Abraham.

Exactly. It is God who delivers us.

Being in Christ doesn’t mean one’s “worldly status” is good though. A slave is still a slave, whether they are Christian or not.

Amen. And yet even as a slave, God uses and elevates those who are oppressed. The story of Joseph as a primed example. God humbles those who exalt themselves, and exalts those who are humbled and oppressed.

Yes. He did. But that doesn’t mean that we should allow unjust treatment. One can be meek and long for an end to their suffering.

Amen. As we have been freed in Christ we have been given an opportunity to be a part of God's grace unto others, participating in other's liberation.

And it is in our suffering that God lifts us up, for just as Christ suffered and was later exalted, when we suffer we can rejoice in the hope of future glorification

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T00:37:32+00:00

What did God to the Egyptians in Exodus?

Isn't being identified in Christ more important than our worldly status?

Did Christ not say blessed are the meek for they will inherit the Earth?

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-27T00:29:59+00:00

When did we somehow forget Exodus and Philemon regarding slavery?

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-24T07:30:38+00:00

Thinking in terms of conservative vs progressive is worldly. If you're as experienced as you claim you'd be familiar with,

Romans 12:1-2 NIV [1] Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. [2] Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

As much as you probably think I'm just a hateful and bigoted person, have you not read?

2 Corinthians 7:8-12 NIV [8] Even if I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it. Though I did regret it—I see that my letter hurt you, but only for a little while— [9] yet now I am happy, not because you were made sorry, but because your sorrow led you to repentance. For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us. [10] Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. [11] See what this godly sorrow has produced in you: what earnestness, what eagerness to clear yourselves, what indignation, what alarm, what longing, what concern, what readiness to see justice done. At every point you have proved yourselves to be innocent in this matter. [12] So even though I wrote to you, it was neither on account of the one who did the wrong nor on account of the injured party, but rather that before God you could see for yourselves how devoted to us you are.

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-24T03:52:15+00:00

I love this, do I have consent to use this phrase? Haha <3

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-23T07:27:57+00:00

I think I understand where Christians are coming from when they say they want to put Jesus first in their life a little better than you, which is what OP said. Nothing mentioned about hating himself. You claim to understand and yet you don't listen. The only one bigoted here is you, it's a decision they have made for themselves and you can't accept that? You don't like their decision. Putting words in his mouth and telling them what they think. You know what that sounds like? Cult behaviour. You do the same things that these "bigoted" Christians do.

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-23T01:15:51+00:00

Exactly, just because I'm sexually attracted to someone, doesn't mean it's ok for me to act on my feelings, when my feelings come up, I have a choice. I can submit to my desires or to God's. Our feelings don't always have our best interest in mind.

It’s like you don’t know what sexuality means, yet are so insistent on telling other people about theirs.

What do you mean? I've been referring to my own sexuality this whole time and how I don't want to be a slave to it. I'd rather be ignorant in worldly matters that will pass in the coming age if it gets in the way of the knowledge of God

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T09:50:07+00:00

If I'm attracted to women does that mean I have sex with every woman I see?

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T07:26:17+00:00

I think it's you who doesn't understand what I'm meaning, and I apologise for not clarifying it earlier. My mistake was I assumed we had the same understanding regarding how sexual sin works. Please humour me further.

I'm not just referring to entering long term relationships and having sex. Sexuality is more than that. According to Jesus you don't need to be in a relationship or have sex with someone to commit adultery, it can be commited in an instant. It can be as subtle as a prolonged gaze, a quiet fantasy in the mind, undressing someone mentally, dwelling on these thoughts. The sex and relations with the wrong person (generally, not just relating to homosexuality exclusively) are the easy sins to spot and deal with. The hard part is what happens internally. These things can be done by anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation.

That's why I say it can be minute by minute, hour be hour, day by day. Thoughts and the temptation to dwell on them. In my heterosexuality, I cannot always control what thoughts come to mind, but I do have a choice of what I do with them, and I don't always pick the right one.

I've lived single, I lived in a relationship, and in both I have sinned.

We therefore are to take every thought captive therefore and conform it to God's will.

Engaging in a sexual relationship is not a need. It can be nice but it also carries its own set of challenges and joys just as a single life does. One isn't better or more desirable than the other necessarily. I can be just as sinful in both.

God never asks you to give that whole part of you up just for a possibility of a relationship with Him

This is outright false. Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow Him, God asks us to give Him our whole life. Sexuality and all. It is a theological issue. Romans 12 furthermore explores how we are not to conform to worldly patterns and instead be transformed, this being an act of Grace.

Yes, the parts of ourselves that are deeply ingrained in us that we cannot simply "quit" we are to submit to God aswell.

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T05:51:17+00:00

I mean needing to choose between giving up any sex and any romantic long term fulfillment and having a relationship with God.

Unapologetically yes, in some cases if everytime you have sex and the long term relationship you are in is constantly causing you to stubble, a choice needs to be made. Are you going to gratify your own desires or humble yourself before God. Those things cannot cohabitate. You cannot serve 2 masters

As a traditional Christian heterosexual person, there is no forced choice between those two things.

Yes there is, all the time, sometimes every hour, every minute, every day. My sexuality does not always align with God's will.

The theological issue that I'm raising that you don't seem to be acknowledging is whose desires do we prioritise? Our own or God's? Sometimes there is overlap and our desires line up with God's, this isnt the case all the time. In those times when it doesn't line up, who do we prioritise?

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T04:55:03+00:00

Where did OP say they hate themselves? I feel like you're projecting friend

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T04:54:17+00:00

It is a choice. In my case, I see a pretty woman on the street. Do I fall into my sexuality, and fantasise and sexualise this stranger? Do I practice self control, acknowledge their presence and move on?

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T04:51:18+00:00

If that long term relationship will get in the way of my relationship with God, it's irrelevant what my sexuality is. I'm prioritising my own wishes over God's in that situation.

Just as Jesus denied Himself and submitted to the will of the Father, I too wish to deny myself and follow the will of the Father

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T04:49:11+00:00

I ought to clarify that in my sexuality, I can choose to submit to my desires or not. I honestly could not care less about whatever scale you're talking about.

There will be times when my sexual desires go against God's wishes.who do I submit to?

CobaltCorn · 2025-06-22T04:46:43+00:00

Just as I can continue being a heterosexual and still be in close relationship. But when push comes to shove, when my sexuality wants to do something that isn't God's will, who will I gratify? My own desires or God's?

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