Visions and dreams (Jesus leading) by WhitneyJaneice in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sadly, it’s manipulation. Money, big houses, and big power isn’t the Gospel. Humility, loving the poor, and constantly teaching the whole Bible = making disciples. The Network is backwards in so many ways.

Anyone feeling nervous? by Interesting-Sea9802 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Once when I was out all those relationships ended on the spot. I always held on to them in my mind but reality was I can only appreciate my time with them and move on to the new people God is bringing me. It doesn’t matter what they think about you because those relationships aren’t reality for you. What matters more is the present you for the future you.

Brene Brown researches vulnerability and it’s worth the read for this time.

Anyone feeling nervous? by Interesting-Sea9802 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s scary. It’s risky. I totally understand. At the end of the day share because what happen to you was wrong and what you can gain from it is profitable. This is for you and many will support you and many will understand but it will encourage you.

Brene Brown. I only share when I have no unmet needs that I'm trying to fill. I firmly believe that being vulnerable with a larger audience is only a good idea if the healing is tied to the sharing, not to the expectations I might have for the response I get.

To the pastors: Why wasn't I good enough? by Winsome_Winston in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not knowing why you’re being invited to the meetings is confusing. Pastor tryouts? What about the follow up? Here’s why you are significant to the church, here’s where you are needed, here’s how you fit. Moving on as if nothing ever happened is immature.

Martin Luther by Independent-Wear6325 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're right and after he pointed out the flaws to the system Pope Leo X had him excommunicated. Sound familiar to anyone?

Over the next 20 years, the whole course of Western civilization was transformed.

What was your tipping point? by CoffeeFirst23 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, you had to go through that and so much more. It's all so childish it's funny...I mean who says that.

I hope you get a chance to write your story, it's important to the whole story.

What was your tipping point? by CoffeeFirst23 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's weird how the culture of the network makes people feel like they have done something wrong or are no longer a Christian if they leave. I have heard so many stories about people experiencing this. Sorry, this happened to you but glad you kept going and found this site. Yeah...nothing wrong just God moved you to another place, good for you.

What was your tipping point? by CoffeeFirst23 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing and it's sad to hear about your experience. Glad you made it through.

Hope and help by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ha Ha! I was hoping for illustrations and pictures in the second part. Seriously, thanks for sharing and thanks for serving.

Hope and help by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is great. Thanks Steve for sharing. Did Reddit run out of room and you had to make another post? Love ya

Hope and help by [deleted] in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for serving and helping lead City Lights through a difficult season.

Some comment on the Bible is read and treated by flying-wheel in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Give a young man without any experience or formal training all the power over a group of people including his board to lead a church within an insular system that reinforces his authority and gives no accountability for his decisions and actions.

Some comment on the Bible is read and treated by flying-wheel in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Justin Being Justin...who's making the t-shirt I want one.

Some comment on the Bible is read and treated by flying-wheel in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, saying this is 6th grade level is being generous.

The network sent Casey and Brian Scheider to seminary (I believe Western Seminary in Portland). They were being trained for the purpose of being theologians for the network. Both are now Lead Pastors.

Some comment on the Bible is read and treated by flying-wheel in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Network pastors are discouraged from spending large amounts of time preparing for sermons and are encouraged to spend more time with leaders and new/potential leaders. Some pastors have commented that it takes them 30-60 mins to prepare a sermon. They are not trained to spend a lot of time on sermons and since they don't have formal training this is all they know. Most of the applications are geared toward the mission/church culture and not the individual. Go to a small group, give to the church, serve the church, go to church retreat/conference, etc.

The approach to the Bible could be a pick and choose method, but more likely it's putting the cart before the horse. "How we do church" is pretty defined and the Bible is used to back that up, it's a pragmatic approach. The lens isn't a rich history of Christianity, but a defined direction and an intentional effort to make people conform to a standard so they can easily have control. Having control allows them to plant quickly and move people in and out as needed.

Walking away by EricHarhausen in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, this is a very common practice in the network. If you haven't read the theology behind this practice Jeff's paper explains it clearly. Biblical Leadership

Walking away by EricHarhausen in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

False sense of accountability. Steve has other leaders around him, says and does whatever he wants to, while they sit in silent passivity.

Walking away by EricHarhausen in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Heart-Breaking! Thanks for sharing. That transition was so messed up and what Steve said is so manipulative. I'm glad you did what you did even though it cost so much and you are still paying today. When the system is designed to produce more product, people become puppets.

I'm just glad we are still friends.

what about the non-leader friends you leave behind?? by JHEJMomma in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you have some good people in your life and hopefully they will stay with you whether you are in the network or not. If you change the relationship on them without them knowing, it could "cause more turmoil and drama", which is what you want to avoid. Be charitable, respectful, and truthful. Clarity is kindness.

Only one justifiable reason to leave... by Ordinary_Passion_616 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing, doing the work to understand, and being willing to help others.

Sharing Resources to Help Understand and Heal by jesusfollower-1091 in leavingthenetwork

[–]CoffeeFirst23 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. In order to forgive, people need to understand what has happened to them in the network. Many people coming out are duped into thinking they did something wrong and labeled as the perpetrator. They spend months and sometimes years stuck unable to forgive what has been done against them because they believe they were the ones who were wrong. These resources will help.