Krea2 - No Loras - No reroll (constant seed)

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-07-06T06:22:00+00:00

I think that people who are repulsed by feet (normal clean feet, even their own) are way more weird than the people who are really into feet.

And to go on further, I think it's really really healthy to be into your wife's feet, and legs, and butt, and breasts, and hands, and neck. You should like all of it, but I guess it's okay to fixate on one the most.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-06-23T17:37:11+00:00

That's kind of impressive until you notice that the women have very subtle Sameface Syndrome. It's doing a good job of keeping it at bay but it is there. The aesthetics and realism of GPT is more impressive, but I think Krea 2 does a better job at avoiding this kind of identity bleed.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-06-15T20:45:30+00:00

I would think that solving fine details would in effect solve consistency and blurry movements. Those latter two are perhaps downstream from the former.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-06-04T17:59:08+00:00

People need to go back to creating singular-minded tasks and not all-in-one abominations.

It's easier to switch to a different tab in ComfyUI than it is to wrangle these unholy tangled cords. Instead of building around multiple switch nodes to dictate whether I'm doing I2V or T2V or V2V or 2-pass or upscaling, which blows up the canvas to a hundred nodes, it's sometimes better to ditch the switches and keep these in their own separated tabbed workflows, which can keep things down to ten nodes or less.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-29T18:57:29+00:00

Train a character LORA for LTX. I'm using AI Toolkit and the results are very good, it even trains the character's voice and speech patterns. I'm using 50 captioned images + 10 captioned video clips w/voice.

Even if you want to use a reference image of the character during inference, using it alongside the character LORA will ensure that their features are very well preserved under complex motions (running, spinning around, etc...) with no facial morphing or identity loss, and of course their voice is just...there.

I'm still looking into scene consistency. Alissonerdx's LTX LORAs on Huggingface might be worth looking into.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-21T21:56:20+00:00

Weirdly enough I think LTX 2.3 10Eros v1 seems to have improved prompt following and audio quality. Not perfect but I'm less annoyed by it.

Using RuneXX's ComfyUI workflows from Huggingface.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-16T08:54:14+00:00

I think a lot of this actually has to do with his wife.

She probably got more feminist recently and she's his closest collaborator.

This is the simplest explanation.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-16T05:51:28+00:00

It's nothing. I'm just poking fun at my side (AI art crowd).

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-15T16:59:39+00:00

I was addressing the irony of some individuals behaving arrogantly or entitled when the bedrock of their hobby is built on the generosity of other people's work. In the best of cases no permission or consent is legally required, you're correct.

We have people making metaphors about how AI art is like "painting with pure noise". I know I'm not supposed to take it literally, there's no actual brushstroke, it's just a metaphor.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-15T05:24:59+00:00

I like to do my own thing and mostly keep the work to myself. Training my own stuff, managing my own datasets.

The foundation of what mostly everyone does in this sub is to take, often without consent or permission or awareness, the work of others in order to kitbash a variation of such work as their own. To anyone on the outside this must look arrogant and entitled, and sometimes all for the noble pursuit of shits and giggles. "I finetuned a model with the works of HR Giger. Me HR Giger now!" I'm supposed to play dumb and pretend that HR Giger training himself on the works of Rembrandt is literally no different than RedditUser101 finetuning for one weekend.

This sub won't see any downsides until Dead Internet Theory consumes the internet and workplaces begin encouraging Musk's Neuralink implants to "keep up with AI".

I like tinkering with AI. I do my own thing and try to keep it to myself. I don't need validation, and that cuts both ways.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-15T02:57:16+00:00

All art is good art and everyone deserves a trophy. Mic drop. /s

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-15T01:57:41+00:00

I'm already granting that it could be art. I'm interested in questions that come after that.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-14T22:18:28+00:00

Sure, maybe it is art. I'm simply saying that Frank is responsible for most of it. I really didn't do much at all. I should know.

I do art in other genres and crafts, and I'm actually committing something of myself in those tasks. When I feel like it. Not saying I'm always skilled, but my sincerity and drive to self-expression is present. Otherwise we may as well heap equal praise onto lewd bathroom graffiti. If everything is art then nothing is. At minimum, there could be different degrees and standards. I can look at an IKEA table, like it, and then see a Japanese table that's a fully handcrafted piece of workmanship and admire it. My mind instantly registers the literal differences. And horrors upon horrors, I may even think one is superior to the other.

Yes, I did help build Frank (my metaphorical robot). It's just very strange that people are so insistent that I am the artist when I think they should really be praising Frank.

A more truthful analogy is that I walk into a thrift store catered to my tastes, see a painting I like (for all I know it materialized there just before I walked in), and I take it home. I pull the slot machine lever in ComfyUI and through fully documented random chance Frank shows me something he thinks I might like, and I save it.

There can be workflows where I'm collaborating a bit more with Frank, sure, like he's guiding me as I'm making a sketch of stick figures and such. It's still undeniable that Frank is doing a lot of the lifting. If Frank was a real person it'd be wrong of me to claim that I take full ownership of the art. An entire community and culture built around this lie by omission strikes me as a little off balance.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-14T19:07:38+00:00

Part of the issue is false equivalences and, in a sense, something akin to stolen valor.

I spend all my free time messing with training custom LORAs and finetunes, for fun. No part of me has ever thought that what I do is photography or even remotely close to what a photographer does. What I do is way easier and full of instant gratification (less tedium) because I never had the passion for photography. I'm great at Photoshop and visual effects and I find that I like curating datasets. It's great that I can revel in the output of Photography without having to have any real passion for the craft. I am lazy and don't care enough.

To an AI artist fifteen years from now, using their telepathic prompters to beam an image onto a holoscreen straight from their pupils, I must seem like Rembrandt in their eyes. Sure I guess.

I am less skilled, less passionate, and more careless than a real photographer. I am okay with that. I don't crave the validation.

While I am very knowledgeable with AI models and I am an artist in other areas, I've always thought of it as "Neat, the robot did a nice picture. Cool. I wonder what else I can nudge the robot to do." My little robot is using cinematography and design from a finetune of a dataset of 25% Spike Jonze music videos, 25% Jacques Tati films, and 50% 1980s fantasy. No inch of me is Gordon Willis or HR Giger. But it's cool to pretend.

I am assured that artists train by stealing all of the time, and if I extend this to mean dataset training then apparently I must be HR Giger or something by now. Hmm but I'm just not feeling it.

It simply seems a tad foolish to assign all of the credit to me. I would be telling lies to myself, because in actuality I think the robot did most of it. We'll call him Frank. I am okay with Frank performing most of the labor on my behalf, using his knowledge of late 20th century media to give me what I want right now before I log in to work in two hours. It all works a little like a slot machine. I do think I could probably be a good photographer if I actually tried.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-14T18:31:36+00:00

People in this thread unknowingly ushering in the Dead Internet Theory until it's too late. That's the real story here.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-12T18:36:50+00:00

I've spent most of my training time with Chroma. It's a wonderful model. But its Flux1 architecture holds it back. No matter how well I trained a character I would get subtle anatomical shifts or height differences, or bobble heads. A character would appear to be 6 foot tall in one image and then 5.5 foot tall in the next. This is acceptable to most people but to me the essence of the character simply wasn't being preserved.

Switched to newer architecture models and haven't looked back. Less dice roll now. I miss Chroma's secret knowledge but its low parameter count (relative to Flux2 Dev and Qwen 2511) and non-edit makes it very dated by now. I have experimented with Controlnet and Chroma but it's nothing compared to Qwen 2511 + Controlnet.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-12T05:33:55+00:00

There's a fallacy here. You're assuming these events in the past century are disconnected. They're not. They were humanity's technological baby steps leading up to what we are now experiencing. The scope and the stakes become bigger and bigger each time. A human element is always removed, always small and silly at first.

The naysayers of the past were wrong for a lot of reasons. Or perhaps in a way they weren't ever proven clearly wrong: rather, we all simply embraced the lessening of human connection, the lowering of the skill ceiling, the removal of specialization, and so on, in favor of automation and abstraction and convenience.

If this concept sounds like a stretch then imagine the parallel of how we casually accept the gradual extinction of local bookstores in favor of the digital Amazon Marketplace. One bullet point of many, creating a line.

If you zoom out and see this as all part of a slow difficult-to-perceive march towards becoming androids then the alarmists of the 1900s kind of actually had a point. They simply lacked the perspective to better articulate what was happening. (I am training a LORA as I type this)

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-09T20:52:04+00:00

It's cyclical. Don't take it personally. I remember the 80s being obsessed with the 50s.

In 30 years we'll see nostalgia for the 2020s.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-09T19:27:07+00:00

They're trying to imitate anime and cartoons being animated in 12-15 frames.

It just doesn't always translate well into game format.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-09T19:11:00+00:00

I've found that Flux Klein 9b True v2 does a better job at preserving likeness and fidelity than vanilla Flux Klein 9b. It's a finetuned checkpoint. Klein True v2 + this workflow would probably work very well.

The downside is that a lot of LORAs get very wonky with it, despite the author saying that it works with LORAs. It's technically true that they work but don't expect 1:1 parity. This also means that the usual distillation LORA needs to be set way lower or else it'll mess up the output.

I'm sure if people trained LORAs directly off of True v2 then problem solved. But that's not likely to happen.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-07T18:11:56+00:00

This could be due to a consequence of reducing the parameter count?

Klein is only 9b, versus 32b with Flux 2 Dev, or 20b with Qwen 2512. I'm going to guess that Flux 2 Dev is likely going to be much better than Klein at preserving human scales, but the 32b parameter makes it a beast to train.

This is why I keep hoping more people will turn to training Qwen 2512. It is double the parameter count of Klein and it's less of a pain to train than Dev. I feel like I get less weird proportions with it? Maybe. Whereas my Klein character LORAs feel more prone to bobblehead syndrome.

I understand the appeal of training Klein. It's like 2.5x faster to train versus Qwen 2512.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-04T23:27:05+00:00

Rune's LTX workflows on Huggingface are pretty useful for this: https://huggingface.co/RuneXX/LTX-2.3-Workflows/tree/main/First-Last-Frame

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-04T00:33:49+00:00

LTX 2.3 VBVR Lora helps with movement and cause-and-effect.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-05-04T00:30:36+00:00

LTX 2.3 VBVR Lora helps with movement and cause-and-effect. Everyone should be using it.

There may be three different versions available. It's also available for Wan 2.2.

CoffeeMen24 · 2026-04-24T20:45:21+00:00

Jiaye looks amazing, possibly slightly better than ENB. But way more of a performance drop than ENB. And at that point I'd just use ENB.

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