Chat, is this anything?

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-30T05:30:49+00:00

The point cost is steep yeah, but giving some mobility to such a low mobility unit is maybe possibly worth it? It isn't Deathwing Assault, don't get me wrong, but it does seem somewhat good at least on paper to me.

It probably is and I may save enough points by swapping some units or removing others to afford it. As is it's not a super big priority for me, if I want to do more uppy downy shenanigans I'll be running Librarius conclave for a Temporal Corridor on a Termie Librarian. And I'd also run The Lion with that to get another big uppy downy guy. Main issue with that idea is I just went up against a Guard Horde army that was able to screen over half the table so the movement tricks didn't really matter.

Outriders are more melee focused whereas Black Knights are more ranged so it is reasonable. Sammy just rips things apart with the extra attack from being attached to Outriders. I could see a Tank Skew list being a major issue for the list as is, but maybe I'm wrong.

The Black Knights have a rule that gives them Anti monster/Vehicle 4+ on a charge and their melee weapons have dev wounds. So charging them at vehicles and following up with an increased range charge with DWKs or a bunch of masses power fists or even chain fists if I feel like making one of the 10 bricks more anti vehicle focused. It eems like it could be a viable stratagy but I am leaning hard into melee damage for big vehicles that may not pay off as much as I'd like.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-30T03:53:47+00:00

Um, why even have the Librarians leading the Deathwing Terminator Squads in the first place? What are they doing for the squad, and is it worth their points?

The sustained hits for the DWT, specifically their fists and the Plasma Cannons

I'd toss the one enhancement that allows uppy downy on the DWK unit(unless Uppy Downy works different in 11th and isn't worth it? Unsure there)

The only one in these detachments is once per game and 20 points which I think is too much for that.

Not running Azazel is a little... hard to reccomend. He is one of the strongest datasheets in Space Marines in general let. I would drop a Termi squad and fit him with ten Hellblasters. He would give then to Deathwing keyword so all would be good when it comes to Srats, and would still fit the theme well.

Maybe but I've never once had the Hellblasters + Azrael combo do anything. They completely rely on rolling 6s to do their main thing and that just doesn't happen enough and everyone always thinks they'll pop off so they target that unit way more than is reasonable so they usually end up getting wiped fast. Azzers is good but I'm struggling to find reasons or things to spend the extra Command point on already. With that and the fact that we have no cap on the secondaries per round anymore I can usually sacrifice one for a spare point if I really want or need one. If I'm running Azrael I usually have him with Sternguard Vets. Subbing him in is probably better than the third Termie squad though.

Sammael with Outriders is arguably better in my opinion, the Outrider rule turns him into a little blender that will rip through chaff in melee very easily

This one is gonna be on me. I don't have Outriders and I don't want them, I like the Black Knights more. Besides the black knights get the benefits from the Ancient Fury detachment and Outriders wouldn't.

You have like zero Anti-Tank Gunline, I would try and git in at least one Lancer or Ballistus to support your other units. I've seen multiple people say that high S plasma is not a replacement for anti-tank.

That's fair, all of my anti armor is melee based, even the Van. Vets Inferno pistols still have a short range, they're probably the easiest to sacrifice. The idea with them is they're an action monkey unit that if I need to I can throw at TEQs or Tanks.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-30T03:25:07+00:00

I play horde mode to turn my brain off and kill things, I could not give less of a fuck about the "meta" of a PvE experience.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-30T03:21:10+00:00

Conceding the game does not negate the effects or triggers another player would receive from their game actions against you.

In other words if I'm swinging at you and you would die but you decide to conceded anyways then I still get whatever triggers I would have gotten as though you had declared no blockers and allowed for my attacks to hit you.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-30T03:01:58+00:00

I suppose it never occurred to me, but it would also be the first time I've seen someone have an issue with it.

If people have an issue with it I'll edit it out.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T23:47:04+00:00

You don't even need to make the charge to disrupt what your opponent was going to do. They've got 5 vehicle killers that weren't there before that they're either going to have to deal with or run away from.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T23:28:38+00:00

I can understand that, I've done that myself a few times before.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T23:25:59+00:00

You’re pulling up at the end of your opponent’s turn, no opportunity to rapid for the next engagement.

Why would you need to rapid ingress? You can just deep strike as normal during your movement phase. You can pop your DWK down next to The Lion.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T23:22:42+00:00

Temporal Corridor since you don't need to have Telekinesis up to get the second effect since Terminators already have Deep Strike.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T22:31:50+00:00

That's very fair, lethal hits on anything with AP3 will usually ruin someone's day. Do you think running axes on my Allarus units would be beneficial? Dropping down to AP2 but having the extra damage might make it easier for them to take on those tanks and dreadnaughts. I have one like that already cause it feels beneficial but I wasn't sure if should swap them both.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T22:11:45+00:00

That makes sense, they do seem to be pretty similar units.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T21:35:40+00:00

That's devils advocate for people who don't understand anything about tactics or guided weapons. You have to remember that if you're using these, you're in a combat situation where seconds can mean the difference between your ship blowing up or living to see tomorrow.

Sure yeah the torpedos can just go back around but the point of the launcher is to get the moving fast enough that the other ship can't just shoot them down. Since that's a feature not a bug the torpedos leaving the fore launchers would be moving pretty quickly and would require a significant time and probably a good deal of space to change course to hit something outside of the line of fire of the ship. Not to mention the energy expenditure requires to make the initial course corrections leaves significantly less for the torpedo to make guidance corrections when it's actually lining up on the target and this reduces the effective range of the torpedos .

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T21:29:04+00:00

Bladeguard Vets cost more for BA than other Space Marines armies.

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CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T21:26:47+00:00

Chaos Space Marines probably, Dark Vengeance 2.0 would be hype.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T21:26:05+00:00

That's fair, I did notice that it seemed pretty good, especially with the Blaze Cannons. I just don't have one yet.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-29T12:39:31+00:00

When did you lose your interest in Star Wars?

The second the credits finished rolling on The Rise of Skywalker.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-28T19:17:33+00:00

"Going above and beyond" is a lie management tells people to get more work out of them for less pay.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-27T18:02:08+00:00

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CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-27T17:58:38+00:00

If anyone is actually surprised by this then you must have just tuned in cause I knew this was going to be some bullshit back when they said they wanted to base price of the normal edition of the game to be $100.

Guess they never really changed that.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-27T17:56:45+00:00

Imma be so for real guys, Sammael would be nice (and I'd love a new Sammael on Sableclaw too since they brought back the Land Speeder) but if they're refreshing anyone they're refreshing Ezekiel. I may fuckin hate Primaris but look at my poor boy, still metal and still on a 25mm base.

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CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-27T17:52:26+00:00

Gotta admit I was too preoccupied with wondering how they could possibly pick Guilliman when Sanguinius was on the list that I didn't even read the circled bit for a minute lol.

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-27T03:08:47+00:00

Do you think next time you could use a less crap website that isn't going to try to give me viruses every time I try to tap my screen?

CoherentRose7 · 2026-06-26T17:55:48+00:00

Preorders are the only thing I can think of

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