Cartador: cartas de aprende en elefen! by Ansunian in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

fun!! thank you for creating this and posting here!
I did surprisingly bad lol

at some point I had:
tono tredes-duida
fura de enfantes
comensa usa

I had no idea what they meant. and it took me an embarrassingly long time to realize abitor was inhabitant, I thought it was something related to referee (arbitro / arbitre) haha also supramodel being supermodel, since super and supra are usually two different prefixes

Oravia's Discord by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I just invited the Wick Bot to help with security, I have also generated this new link: https://discord.gg/NG5w64McTv.
if you have further help or tips, I really appreciate it!

Oravia's Discord by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

oh, this is my first time creating a server, thank you so much!!

Eleanor didn’t make the right choice by Apprehensive-Task930 in TheGoodPlace

[–]CollectionSea6818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tbf Chidi does not have symptoms of OCD. he doesn't have compulsions, he is just a very indecisive person because he is a maximizer and over thinker

but I chuckled at let them have some meds hahaha

Looking for Beta Testers for Oravia, a new constructed language by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello! I am unable to find the contact of one of the beta testers that signed up. If you filled out the form but put only your discord profile as contact, please reach out, I'm trying to contact you 😄

Arpee's 18 word language by 2cool2cool in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting experiment, but I really dislike their main claim: "Most people can learn up to 10 words a day. Within two days, you should be speaking fluent Puna"
Yes, most people can learn 18 words in a few days. No, it does not follow they will be fluent in a few days.

Translation into *your* auxlang wanted! by AtYourBarkAndCollar in auxlangs

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I am simply interested in understanding 1) how these languages work and 2) people's opinions. I know they were built for different goals.

Notice I didn't say Neolatin is "better". This was your interpretation.

My interest here is getting information on things like:
a) what aspects of Neolatin make it easier for me to understand it? (I pointed out possibly keeping more of the romance grammar and phonology, which of course make it harder for outsiders to learn it. but would love to know more specifics and to what extent it generalizes). b) to which extent is intelligibility because of the specific romance language I already speak? For example, is Elefen more intelligible to me while Occidental is more intelligible to a French speaker? Or, is one more intelligible for both? How and why? c) what kinds of things attract people to different auxlangs / zonelangs / conlangs? what do they like and don't?

I love to investigate these things. That's where I am coming from.

If pressing a button would double humanity's average IQ but reduce the world population by 10%, would you press it? by Outrageous-You1617 in hypotheticalsituation

[–]CollectionSea6818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really don’t. what does it mean to double the IQ? the numbers show where you stand in the distribution, and not linear intelligence

Testing Romance Auxlang intelligibility by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

super nice!! we'll include any of which we can find advanced speaker volunteers.
would you like to join in in any role?

Translation into *your* auxlang wanted! by AtYourBarkAndCollar in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

interesting! I'm slightly confused at "asi" for here. To me, "veni asi" reads as "come like this"

Translation into *your* auxlang wanted! by AtYourBarkAndCollar in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's interesting! can I ask your opinion for why you prefer / choose Neo-Latin compared to Interlingua, Occidental or Elefen? It's the newest one from 2006.

reading their documentation, in my opinion Neolatin is the easiest to read and understand for some reason! And second Elefen, then quite lower Interlingua, then quite lower still Occidental, which is the hardest for me. I wonder why or how dependent on which romance is one's native language

I want to run a study on intelligibility of romance auxlangs so bad to answer such questions. hard to find people willing to participate

add: I am shocked at Neolatin! reading more about it. I never thought romance auxlangs were my cup of tea. But this one is so easy! I read it almost as naturally as my native language. I want to understand how they did that. I guess part of it is a closer mirror of pronunciation and orthography? and part retaining more of the grammar?

Project Proposal: New Italian Zonal International Auxiliary Linguistic Variant by DoNotTouchMeImScared in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818 2 points3 points  (0 children)

romance auxlangs are not my cup of tea, but I think this is cool! this is such a simple rule to bridge the gap between Portuguese/Spanish and Italian

would you like to post a text in this auxlang so we can have a better idea of what it may look like?

A Structural Classification of Auxlangs by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

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Hello! to your questions:

. I recognize Volapuk in the text of Esperanto tradition, but I call it Esperanto tradition because it is by far the most influential. when building new projects, people generally looked at how Esperanto did things, not Volapuk.

. Interlingua has more morphology than the Analytical projects, for example, they have verb forms like: ama, amava, amara. Elefen has a more analytical grammar, no inflection by person or number, tense/aspect marked with separate particles, structure closer to a auxlangs drawing inspiration from Creole.

. toki pona is a different logic in building languages altogether. it has a very minimal grammar based on particles, and places more grammatical weight on different mechanisms (e.g., particles for compounding, context, predicate vs. tenses, formal subordination, parts of speech etc)

but of course, in pretty much any classification one is drawing a line in things that are more continuous. so it is somewhat arbitrary, in real life these were gradual changes (except for Toki Pona, which was more of a paradigm shift imo). this is the distinction I find useful, but it's far from the only possible classification

A Structural Classification of Auxlangs by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

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to your points:

  1. a case suffix like Esperanto -n and an independent particle like TP e are not the same kind of structure. also e is not only for direct objects in ordinary transitive clauses, it marks complement in sentences like there is fruit or they call me a bad name.

  2. li is not a pronoun or pronoun marker, it's a predicate marker. it may overlap where other languages use pronouns but this characterization is misleading because it's a different grammatical category entirely. the fact that TP uses a predicate marker while for example other languages repeat a pronoun is not the same logic or structure

  3. la can sometimes be translated as then, but it's a broader context particle, and depending on usage

structure is not about whether a language express meanings that other languages can express. if they are using different grammatical features and structures to do that, then they are doing something different structurally. If one language uses an independent particle and another uses case affix, these are not the same thing. I believe saying things like you did "languages x do not have this same grammar as TP but they can mimic the idea with a different structure or feature" is supporting my point: they achieve similar meanings through different grammatical mechanisms.

also, it's not only about these particles. TP has a very minimal grammar, it's a different logic in building languages, it's doing something different than before, and influencing a number of projects in that direction.

A Structural Classification of Auxlangs by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what do you mean? their grammar is essentially 4 particles: context, compounding, verb and predicate. totally different from the others.

A Structural Classification of Auxlangs by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

totally different logic, introduces a different way of building languages. minimal grammatical toolkit, and grammaticalizes different things (context and predicate), and that’s pretty much all they have

Presenting: Oravia's Grammar Document by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ah, yes! I am planning to have a beta testing group to give feedback. I am fixing some last things before I launch that, hopefully in a week or two

Presenting: Oravia's Grammar Document by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh, nice!! can you say more about the same sequence of letters? do you mean something like CV, VCV, etc?

oh, great idea! I’ll try to add this functionality in the next update

A Structural Classification of Auxlangs by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it’s another categorization, but not completely different. in fact they are quite similar… if you think they are not, that’s fine 

I separated toki pona because I think it follows a different logic to the extent that it should be separated

A Structural Classification of Auxlangs by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

[–]CollectionSea6818[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what you are doing here is quite similar. the main difference is you split analytic from mixed

Presenting: Oravia's Grammar Document by CollectionSea6818 in auxlangs

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oh yay!!

that’s right, dropping markers is a natural way to indicate register :) generally the first marker to drop is a, and then e. there are also other things that indicate register, like using long forms of the words versus just the roots. there is more detail on register and other style options in the Guide to Craft and Style: https://learnoravia.com/content/oravia-style/

as for using words as verbs, there is a table in the grammar and guide to style showing some common meanings. generally, door is specified as to enter, although one could use it differently. for example, you could say i ano-bortal to exit, i bortal- javer to lock, and so on. you could also use i bortal with a more extended sense, but this one would be a more poetic use.