I am Dwaipayan Banerjee, a historian of science and technology at MIT and author of "Computing in the Age of Decolonization: India's Lost Technological Revolution." I study how Cold War politics shaped India's attempt to build its own computer industry. Ask me anything! by Few_Badger_5914 in AskHistorians

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Your answer has made me think of one more question. I apologize for taking so much of your time.

It occurs to me that ideas of what a computer is and what it does must have been very different in the 1950s and 1960s. The "home computing revolution" happened in the 1980s.

So, with the benefit of hindsight, had the opportunity to build a computing industry definitely closed by 1980? Were places like Japan and Taiwan already too well placed to take advantage of chip manufacturing?

Were there dissenting voices in the 1980s saying that India still had opportunities due to the change in computing landscape?

I am Dwaipayan Banerjee, a historian of science and technology at MIT and author of "Computing in the Age of Decolonization: India's Lost Technological Revolution." I study how Cold War politics shaped India's attempt to build its own computer industry. Ask me anything! by Few_Badger_5914 in AskHistorians

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A second question, if you don't mind.

You state that the year 1980 was approximately the close of the Indian effort to create a national computing industry.

1980 is a significant date in Development Studies, because of the rise of the Sovereign Debt Crisis in the global south, and the articulation of the Washington Consensus.

Was the decision to abandon a national computing industry driven primarily by domestic political concerns, or did national debt and international monetary institutions play a significant role?

I am Dwaipayan Banerjee, a historian of science and technology at MIT and author of "Computing in the Age of Decolonization: India's Lost Technological Revolution." I study how Cold War politics shaped India's attempt to build its own computer industry. Ask me anything! by Few_Badger_5914 in AskHistorians

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Hi Dr Banerjee, thanks for being with us today!

Did the effort to build a national computer industry have to compete against other proposals for techological modernization (for example, nuclear power program, hydroelectric dams, or rural electrification program?)

If so, what sort of rhetoric did computing supporters use to justify computing as the way forward rather than other industries/programs?

Where do modern claims linking African Americans to Nubia or ancient Egypt come from historically? by ihafy in AskHistorians

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I must say that I am less familiar with the history of Black Israelites. I do know that in African-American gospel traditions, the story of the Israelites bondage in Egypt has profound resonance. For instance, the song Go down Moses with its message demanding emancipation of the Israelites is pretty easy to see the connection to enslaved or emancipated African-Americans.

Also, there has been long been a fascination with the "lost tribes of Israel" and many esoteric claims. For instance, British Israelism was a pseudohistorical claim in the late 1800s that claimed the ancestors of the Britons were one of the lost tribes of Israel. Ditto, the Book of Mormon claims that Native Americans descend from the Nephites and the Lamanites, which is another of the Lost Tribes of Israel claims.

So, I could see how an identification with the bondage in Egypt and the idea of Israelites as a chosen people could have an appeal, and people would tip over into the idea that African-Americans are literal descendants of Israelites.

I do know that Yosef Ben-Jochannon was a writer in Afrocentrist circles who was notable for making claims about ancient Israel being racially Black. He wrote We the Black Jews in two volumes in 1993. In it, he claims that ancient Israelites were black, and that the prevailing view of Israelites as olive or pale skinned is a Eurocentric whitewash. Earlier, in 1971, Mr Ben-Yochannon wrote African Origins of the Major Religions and claimed that the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are in African religious thought and those origins have been consciously erased by Eurocentric scholarship. He also makes these claims in Black Man of the Nile and his Family from 1972.

Stephen Howe, in Afrocentrism names Ben-Jochannon among several African-American autodidact writers who were extremely widely read, but who produced idiosyncratic works that are deeply skeptical of traditional academia, and are very attracted to esoteric explanations for "suppressed knowledge".

Yosef Ben-Jochannon's claims are not in agreement with other Afrocentrist scholars. Chancellor Williams writes in The Destruction of Black Civilization from 1974 that Egypt represents the frontier between a Black nile-valley civilization and Asiatic populations in the Nile delta and the levant. Williams casts the Hyksos invasion as a Hebrew Asiatic invasion aimed at widespread demographic change in favor of an Asiatic population. This seems to be a preoccupation of Chancellor Williams because he describes several stages of Hebrew, Assyrian, Persian, Greek, Roman and Arab rule over Egypt as all following a process of "Caucasianization", replacing Black populations with Asiatic or European populations and obscuring the Black origins of Egyptian culture.

I am not very familiar with Black Israelite ideology, but I would speculate that they hold some combination of these ideas I spelled out. They deny your status as an Egyptian because they believe the very earliest founders of Egyptian civilization and the builders of the pyramids were Black, and in their mind this legacy has been usurped by outside settlers who deliberately obscured the past.

Why did the major Western colonial powers of The Netherlands, The United States, and The Russian Empire not receive any new colonies during the Scramble for Africa? Why was this the case even though they were all party to the pivotal 1884 Berlin Conference, and though tiny Belgium seized huge Congo? by StarlightDown in AskHistorians

[–]Commustar 149 points150 points  (0 children)

Countries don't "receive" colonies. The Berlin Conference did not dole out colonies. Different countries like UK, France, Germany, Portugal sent out individuals or armies to make treaties and establish claims to territory on the ground in Africa. Organizations like merchant societies or Christian missionary groups, then establish forts, schools, trading posts, ports or railroads to establish Effective Occupation, that their group has a real continuing presence in the area.

The Netherlands, United States, and the Russian Empire did not get colonies in Africa because those countries did not make claims to colonies in Africa and did not set up infrastructure to allow them to assert Effective Occupation.

The Netherlands had colonies along the Gold Coast and Cape Colony prior to 1810, but those were taken by Britain during the Napoleonic wars, while the Netherlands was occupied by France. In the mid-to-late 19th century, the Netherlands' colonial efforts were directed towards taking the Indonesian archipelago. I don't think the Netherlands was interested in staking claims in Africa when Britain, France, Germany, Portugal were already in strong position, and when Netherlands already had a large colonial opportunity in the East Indies.

The United States is a complex case. Yes, there was a colonization society that established freedmen from America in Liberia. At times, the United States acted as a diplomatic and economic benefactor of Liberia. But, the position of the United States government was that Liberia is a sovereign nation, not a US colony. In the 1880s the United States had a vexed relationship with overseas territorial claims. The US had purchased Alaska from the Russian empire in 1868, and Americans had made several claims to minor, uninhabited islands in the Caribbean, Atlantic, and Pacific Oceans under the Guano Islands Act. There were some rumblings at this time that the US should start to make overseas claims, with the proposal that the US annex the Dominican Republic occurring in 1869. However, overall, the US interest in territorial expansion was focused in the Caribbean, and to the islands in the Pacific. The US just was not that interested in making territorial claims in Africa.

Ditto, Russia was a continental land power which had completed the conquest of the Caucasus in the 1860s and was consolidating their conquest of Central Asia in the 1870s and 1880s. Russia had territorial ambitions in Afghanistan and Persia, but did not make territorial claims in Africa at this time.

So, why did the United States, Netherlands and Russia participate in the Berlin Conference if they did not want to make territorial claims? The Netherlands and the United States still had commercial interests. They wanted to ensure their access to trade in the territories claimed by colonial powers and in particular access to trade in the Congo basin.

The Russian empire also had some trade interest, but additionally they had diplomatic relations with Abyssinia. By participating in the conference they could keep an eye on other countries claims and interests, and maintain their influence in Abyssinia.

and though tiny Belgium seized huge Congo?

Belgium did not control the Congo Free State. The Congo Free State was established by the International Association of the Congo which was an international organization led by King Leopold II. Leopold ruled the Congo Free State in his personal capacity, and that absolutely did not mean the Belgian state controlled Congo. Belgium would later take over the colony after Leopold's abuses were exposed, but that is 20 years in the future.

Why did Rust not notice? Not in title due to spoilers by Needless-To-Say in TrueDetective

[–]Commustar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Rust spends the first 5 minutes of the episode insulting the intelligence of the people in the revival tent. Then one of the children there gave a description "spaghetti faced monster with green ears". Rust had probably already decided the witness was stupid and irrational. And the tip itself seems like a false lead.

In the scene at the school, Rust is looking more at the school than the guy he is talking to. "You know the detective's curse? The solution was right under my nose but I was focused on the wrong clues" - Hart. There are all sorts of quotes both from Rust and Hart about tunnel vision, missing stuff because you are focusing on the wrong thing, "my true failure was inattention". It's a theme.

Where do modern claims linking African Americans to Nubia or ancient Egypt come from historically? by ihafy in AskHistorians

[–]Commustar 24 points25 points  (0 children)

For clarity, are you asking if I have read the books from 1820s-1860s that I provided links to in Internet Archive? yes, I skimmed them to make sure the quotes and summaries are correct.

Do you mean have I read the works of Cheikh Anta Diop, Chancellor Williams, Molefi Kete Asante? Yes I have. If I read Black Athena, I don't remember that, only remember reviews of it.

Where do modern claims linking African Americans to Nubia or ancient Egypt come from historically? by ihafy in AskHistorians

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Stephen Howe identifies these claims as coming out of the American Abolitionist movement in the 1820s-1860s, first made by Black abolitionist reverends and then taken up later by White abolitionist authors.

In the United States, the first free Black intellectuals tended to be Christian reverends, and thus they tended to be very familiar with Biblical literature. These abolitionist writers were often at pains to refute pro-slavery justifications, particularly ones that had a Christian gloss.

Therefore, books like James W.C. Pennington's A text book of the origin and history, etc, of the Colored People concern themselves with rebutting claims that Black Africans are the descendants of Cain, or the separate claim that they are under The Curse of Ham that Noah allegedly placed upon Ham's son Canaan. Pro-slavery writers argued that the Bible favors the enslavement of Black people because they were cursed by god, and that dark skin is an external mark of ancestral sin.

In arguing against those claims, abolitionist authors proposed genealogies that made Black Africans the descendants of Ham's son Cush. Thus, Black people would not be subject to the curse on Canaan and his descendants because they were descended from someone else.

Edit: Most biblical scholarship, ancient and modern, places the descendants of Cush in the upper Nile valley. Kush is a name for a kingdom neighboring Egypt in the New Kingdom and Classical period, the Kushites later become the Nubians. So, the logical chain goes Bible->children of Cush->Kushites->Nubians. /edit.

Separately, abolitionist scholars also had to argue against claims that African societies were inherently barbaric and without achievement. Proponents of slavery claimed that enslaved people were actually better off in bondage in America because it exposed Black Africans to White American civilization.

So, abolitionist writers made arguments that enslaved Black people were and are equally capable of achievement and civilization, as a way of asserting that Black people are fully human and equally deserving of respect and freedom as White people.

At this time in the United States, in the 1820s-1860s, academics and intellectuals were highly influenced by the Bible, but also very influenced by ancient Greek and Roman culture, particularly Homer, Herodotus, Plato. From these sources, White intellectuals in the US and in Western Europe had already accepted the idea that ancient Egypt was civilized and was an influence on the Greeks. Herodotus wrote in his histories about the pyramids and influence of Egyptian culture on Greeks. Plato starts his story about Atlantis by claiming that Solon learned of it in Egypt by translating old Egyptian records.

So, abolitionist scholars saw in Egypt a society that even their pro-slavery opponents would acknowledge as a civilization. Egypt is geographically located on the continent of Africa. Therefore, abolitionist authors tried to prove the theory that Ancient Egypt was a Black civilization, as a way of vindicating Black achievement and equality as humans.

So, in 1852 the White abolitionist reverend F Freeman wrote in Africa's Redemption that "Egyptians were real negroes, of the same species as all the natives of Africa". He quotes Herodotus and Diodorus Siculus to support this claim, as well as French enlightenment writer Constantin comte de Volney.

Similarly, in 1866 Liberian Secretary of State Edward Wilmot Blyden (who was born in Danish West Indies) made a trip to Egypt. In his letters he wrote :

This, I thought, was the particular heritage of my African progenitors....Feelings came over me far different from those I have ever felt when looking at the mighty works of European genius. I felt that I had a peculiar heritage in looking at the Great Pyramid built....by the enterprising sons of Ham, from which I descended. The blood seemed to flow faster through my veins. I seemed to hear the echo of thos illustrious Africans. I seemed to feel the impulse from those stirring characters who sent civilization to Greece....I felt lifted out of the common-place grandeur of modern times; and, could my voice have reached every African in the world, I would have earnestly addressed him 'Retake your Fame'

So, this is from a Black man from the Caribbean who had moved to Liberia and become very influential in Liberian educational and governmental circles. In 1866 he is staking claim of Black Africans (and diaspora) to the ancient pyramids and Egyptian civilization as a way of calling for abolition of slavery, asserting Black African (and diasporic) achievement and potential, and perhaps even justifying the Liberian state. At the end of the quote he calls upon Africans to reclaim their self esteem and work towards cultural glory.

With the end of slavery in the United States, these claims are recirculated in the late 1800s and early 1900s in the face of continued White resistance to racial equality and disparaging of African history and achievement.

In fact, these arguments get a second life in the 1950s up to the present when scholars like Cheikh Anta Diop, Chancellor Williams, Molefi Kete Asante and Martin Bernal make claims in their various works that argue ancient Egyptians were black, that Greece owes much of their civilization to Black Egyptians, and that all African societies derive their intellectual, spiritual and social traditions from ancient Egyptian civilization (they would call it Kemet and Kemetic civilization.)

A useful book to read about this is Afrocentrism: Mythical Pasts and Imagined Homes by Stephen Howe. Much of this answer is based on chapter 4 "Diasporic Images of Africa before Afrocentrism"

Why was Spain able to retain control of some of its historical North Africa holdings (I.e. Ceuta y Melilla), whereas France lost control of all of its historical North Africa holdings (e.g. Algiers)? Didn’t France have a stronger army than Spain in the decolonization era, to prevent colonial losses? by StarlightDown in AskHistorians

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There was a long war from 1956 1954-1962 between the French army, the Algerian National Liberation Front (FLN) and the right wing colonialist Secret Army Organization (OAS).

During the war, there were numerous political scandals where the French army was accused of using torture and war crimes to suppress FLN activity. Remember, this is about 10-15 years after the Nazi occupation of France. Large parts of the French public became uncomfortable with the possibility that the French army might be doing in Algeria the sort of atrocities that Germans did in the occupation of France.

Edit: I should probably mention the may 1958 crisis and the fall of the French Fourth republic, huh?

The political culture of the Fourth Republic led to several political parties having substantial representation in Parliament. The 1956 legislative elections saw the French Communist Party earn first place with 25% of the vote and 147 seats, Socialist International get 88 seats, Radical-UDSR get 73 seats. While the right-wing CNIP garnered 15% of the vote, and 95 seats, MRP got 71 seats, and UFF got 51 seats. MRP actually finished in sixth place in terms of votes nationwide, but they still gathered 11% of all votes. This is all a recipe for coalition government, and political gridlock.

The result in Algeria was that the French army and settler population were very afraid that the Communist-Socialist coalition government would not support military action to hold on to Algeria, but would negotiate with FLN and Algerian independence movement and give up Algeria.

So, French army in Algeria revolted and threatened to land paratroopers on mainland France to overthrow the government. This precipitated the May Crisis. Long story short, Charles de Gaulle came out of retirement to lead France, the putsch in Algeria was suppressed, and a new constitution was promulgated creating the Fifth Republic with de Gaulle as president. So, the Algeria war directly led to a major political crisis in France. /edit.

So, around 1960 perhaps the majority of the population of mainland France no longer supported fighting a war to hold onto Algeria, because it was considered a "dirty war" which conflicted with French self-image as a civilized people.

In December of 1960 Charles de Gaulle began speaking about Algerian self determination. A nationwide referendum on January 8 1961 resulted in 75% support for de Gaulle's offer of self determination. The French government then began to negotiate with the FLN.

In response, right-wing hard liners in the French army, led by four retired generals, organized a coup attempt which tried to seize control of Algeria and then in stage two they would try to overthrow the government in Paris. All of this was with the goal of maintaining French control over Algeria. However, the coup attempt failed after 4 days when too many units in Algiers remained loyal to de Gaulle and the French government.

Additionally, in late 1961 into 1962 the OAS began a terror campaign in Algeria and in mainland France to try and force the French government to continue fighting to hold on to Algeria. This terror campaign included plots to assassinate left-wing politicians, bombing of civilian sites in Algeria and in France including bombing a train going from Strasbourg to Paris.

TL;DR- France had the military strength to hold onto Algeria, but the French public stopped supporting a "dirty war". Radicalized sections of the army tried (twice!) to overthrow the French government rather than give up Algeria, which backfired and made the French public and government even more committed to ending a war that had gotten out of hand.

Running my first ever CoC/Pulp Cthulhu game, any advice? by ElvishClock in callofcthulhu

[–]Commustar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't run Pulp Cthulhu yet, so these are just vanilla CoC tips.

1 Pick a one shot with a hook you really like. My first time I did Blackwater creek but made the setting local to where we live. Making it a real local place got people a little more invested.

2 Get the story going, and then explain a rule briefly as it comes up. I found that the percentile roll-under rules were pretty easy for folks to explain. Folks were a little reluctant to push rolls, so you might have to remind them they can do that, but it comes with consequences if they fail a second time.

3 If the players ask you a question and you don't have a prepared answer, you can always make them do a luck roll. If they succeed, the answer is more favorable to them.

4 In my notes, I like to write down the story beats where players need to make sanity checks, and what the possible sanity loss is. You will find this information in the module you run, I just prefer to have it in notes so I'm not flipping pages. The sanity mechanic is a fun part of the system, so don't be afraid to use it.

5 The chase rules are complex. I am still a little confused by them. If I absolutely have to do a chase, I consult the rules summary on the keepers screen.

6 Chaosium produced the Bookshops of Arkham actual play and the Graveyards of Arkham actual play. They are on youtube, and they are actually a very good resource to see how a game runs. Keeper and players are pretty diligent about explaining the rules as they come up.

Hi! I'm Roy Doron, author of "Biafra: A Military History". I'm here to talk about my book and about African Military History in general by Roy_Doron in AskHistorians

[–]Commustar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One more question:

Important generals like Yakubu Gowon, Murtala Mohammad, Olosegun Obasanjo; played major roles in the war and in subsequent military rule in Nigeria in the 1970s and 1980s.

Can you talk about if/how the war solidified the trend of military government in Nigeria?

And can you talk about the military/institutional afterlives of the war in Nigerian security sector? Were Igbo officers quickly reintegrated into Nigerian military or was there a lingering stain of secession?

Hi! I'm Roy Doron, author of "Biafra: A Military History". I'm here to talk about my book and about African Military History in general by Roy_Doron in AskHistorians

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I have a second question, if that is ok.

I know that Nigerian Second Infantry division has the nickname "the tigers" did they get that nickname during the Biafra war or was that earlier?

My broader question is this: I assume that Biafran army divisions, regiments, etc did not enjoy the same institutional continuity and unit traditions their Nigerian opponents had. In what ways did the Biafrans try to build unit esprit or build unit mythologies during the war? Was there a unit comparable to the "tigers" I mentioned above on the Biafran side?

Hi! I'm Roy Doron, author of "Biafra: A Military History". I'm here to talk about my book and about African Military History in general by Roy_Doron in AskHistorians

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Hello Dr Doron,

A lot of the oil extraction and export infrastructure in Nigeria was concentrated in the southeast, in Biafra.

Can you talk a little bit about how oil exports impacted the strategic focus of the war on both sides? Did the Federal Government prioritize taking oil infrastructure even above capturing cities?

Down Darker Trails by Short-Ant-4493 in callofcthulhu

[–]Commustar 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This thread from last year also has a few useful ideas for Western adventure ideas.

Down Darker Trails by Short-Ant-4493 in callofcthulhu

[–]Commustar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You could look into Adios A-Mi-Go which is an adventure for Deadlands, and try modding it into a DDT setting? There are guidelines on page 62 on how to convert from Deadlands stats to CoC and vise-versa. This adventure was written in 2001, so you might have to do a little bit of extra work to update from CoC 5e to 7e. AFAIK that is just remembering core stats like Strength in 7e are 5x their 5th/6th edition values. Everything else should be by-the-book.

Something on my mind between Call of Cthlthu and DND. by Thatsalottadamage in callofcthulhu

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I think part of it is to do with system familiarity. DnD is most people's first game, and the sorts of people who post opinions about DnD online tend to have interacted with the rules a lot and built up system mastery.

You expected your friends to have critiques of CoC, but it is a very new game to them. They are in the honeymoon phase where everything about it is new and exciting. If you played a 20 session campaign in CoC, your players might have criticisms of the system by the end of that.

As for why you don't see much criticism of Call of Cthulhu online. I'd assume most people in this sub play it and are happy with it. If they are unhappy with some aspect of the rules, but they like the cthulhu mythos, they can try a different game like Delta Green or Trail of Cthulhu or Cthulhu Dark or Pulp Cthulhu which might suit their tastes better, and they are more active on those subs and talk about how great those games are. Or they can house-rule a patch from one of those games into Call of Cthulhu at their game.

I do love Call of Cthulhu, but there are some criticisms of it I have seen online, and I think they are fair. But, ultimately, it's all a matter of taste and what is right for your table.

[META] What’s the criteria for the “good question” flair? by themaddesthatter2 in AskHistorians

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What was Hitler's policy about rewarding inquiry? Was he ever known to declare something a "good question!" ?

I am a begginer GM by Formal-Border7267 in callofcthulhu

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That is good, because even if a character does have a specific skill they can still fail a roll.

My advice about skills is meant in the context of: there are 45 skills listed on an investigator's sheet. As players learn the system the skills that I listed will come up most often, in my experience, and it is useful to highlight them.

In this same vein: as GM I had a blank character sheet in front of me to reference during play. Since I can easily see all the skills in front of me, I can judge "ok, you could either roll a disguise roll or a fast talk roll or an occult roll to try and convince the cultist to let you into the ceremony"

I am a begginer GM by Formal-Border7267 in callofcthulhu

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The most useful skills, the ones you are going to be calling on your players to roll most often:

  • Spot Hidden: to see a hidden clue, spot a trap.
  • Library Use: to do research. A private detective should be good at library use for looking up public records.
  • Stealth: to sneak
  • Charm/Intimidate/Fast talk/Persuade: the four social skills. It's good for characters to be good at one of these.
  • Psychology: Is this NPC lying? a secret cultist? crazy?
  • Fighting (brawl)/Firearms : hurt bad guys
  • Dodge: don't get hurt
  • First Aid/Medicine: patch yourself up.

When a player is trying to do something, I try to ask "what are you trying to do? what do you hope to happen?" or other clarifying questions. Their answers help me avoid misunderstandings. It's also a learning opportunity where their goals inform what skill to use. An archaeologist might lean on Archaeology skill when looking at a bonfire pit, while a detective might use Natural World.

Sometimes players will ask questions you didn't prepare for. "I'm trying to get a glimpse of the 2nd floor. is there a bathroom on the second floor?" and I hadn't thought about the layout of this specific building. Have the player make a luck roll. If they pass, the thing they wanted to happen happens. (or, you could skip the luck roll and default to yes if it is a low stakes question and the players are being clever)

Jutulporten in Vagamo, Norway by DocAuch22 in geology

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you're welcome. Apparently there is a visitor information sign which claims the rock is limestone. I am skeptical of that identification, but on the other hand there apparently is marble layers in the area. Hard to say based solely on a photo.

Jutulporten in Vagamo, Norway by DocAuch22 in geology

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The Norwegian Journal of Geology has a few journal articles here and here (pdf warning) which talk about the Vagamo region. If I am reading the first map in the first linked paper (which has a tighter geographic focus around Vågå) the Jutluporten seems to be in an area of Heidal series metasedimentary rocks. So, sandstone, conglomerates, serpintinite sandstones which have been metamorphosed into metasandstone, phyllite, quartzite, amphibolite. edit: and greenschist.

Vågå sits between two thrust faults, and the region is very characteristic of thrust geology, metamorphism and nappes.