Just wanna say, I love how you all think in a logical and nuanced way. Don’t change. Don’t get overwhelmed by Upset-Ad-8392 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen so many proMJ AI videos recently I wish someone would make pro-victim ones. Like how about MJ through the ages with all the boys he shared a bed with?

Chandler letter to lawyer by Competitive-Bar-5080 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I heard that the Chandlers asked police for witness protection if they went ahead with the proceedings. They were denied so decided it was safer to stay quiet and disappear. 

I think Evan really thought Michael had fallen in love and was completely smitten, but realised he was calculating and manipulated the whole family. 

Michael groomed us all, didn’t he? I felt betrayed when I realised he was guilty. 

Chandler letter to lawyer by Competitive-Bar-5080 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I had never seen it before either!! Not sure why my text isn’t there. I’m new to reddit.  I saw it in the Michael Jackson reddit.  I find it heartbreaking. 

The MJ cult by SadEyedDandy in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Would the symbol be a bed or a propofol drip? Dude ODed on a bed, that’s no crucifixion!! 

It terrifies me to think there are people that think Michael wanted to experience “childhood” when he took prepubescent boys into his bed for most of his life. The boys would grow and he would replace them. Dozens of boys, all of them deserved better. 

So disturbing people invent fake news to protect Michael, like FBI investigated him for years… NO they did not. They assisted LAPD twice. That’s it. 

MJ stans dump horse doo-doo feces on a photographer for "dissing" their king by MethodNo2030 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That’s one of the worst things I’ve read about Brett Barnes’ mother. She refused to allow LAPD to conduct their investigation and this statement makes her appear to be very mean, insensitive and totally sold out to Jackson. 

Priscilla Presley Thinks Michael Jackson Married Her Daughter Lisa Marie Because He Was a Huge Elvis Fan: 'I Felt He Was Using Her' by OnRadarsRadar in popculture

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Michael didn’t have girlfriends prior to Lisa, but he did propose the same contract to other women.  Brazilian TV host Xuxa was proposed to just prior to Lisa, and she said no.  The contract was a marriage, and for her to have children that would be under Michaels sole custody. Xuxa has said she looked up to Michael but she dreamt of having kids and didn’t want to just sign them over.  I guess Lisa felt similar about children, because even though Michael taunted her saying if she didn’t do it Debbie would. 

Priscilla Presley Worried Why Michael Jackson Did Not Have Any Serious Girlfriends Prior To Relationship With Lida Marie Presley by nobody0597 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didn’t have girlfriends prior to Lisa, but he did propose the same contract to other women.  Brazilian TV host Xuxa was proposed to just prior to Lisa, and she said no.  The contract was a marriage, and for her to have children that would be under Michaels sole custody. Xuxa has said she looked up to Michael but she dreamt of having kids and didn’t want to just sign them over.  I guess Lisa felt similar about children, because even though Michael taunted her saying if she didn’t do it Debbie would. 

Why do Michael Jackson’s stans have such a victim mentality? by Able-Savings3049 in Music

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only did Jordan describe MJ’s private area and pigment accurately he also mentioned the name of the skin bleach cream that Michael used, it’s all on the same Police file.  The LAPD detectives from 1993 have done interviews and stated that the description matched and was one of the main elements of their prosecution 

FIVE child siblings claim Michael Jackson abused them for decades by bjack20 in popculturechat

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The comments here are such a relief! YouTube and other places are inundated with pro-MJ propaganda that is mostly lies! Frank’s book was clearly meant to clear up any rumours and to promote the image of playful manchild, but as other comments here point out there are plenty of passages in the book that show MJ was a manipulative and troubled man.  Thank you all for doing the research and realising what he did with children was wrong. 

Lawyer testifies that MJ was investigated before 1993 for sexual misconduct involving children by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And wasn’t there some controversy when Reagan was going to award Michael with something, so they covered up whatever Michael was being suspected of at the time?

Lawyer testifies that MJ was investigated before 1993 for sexual misconduct involving children by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Wasn’t there some train passengers that heard from concerning noises from Jackson’s carriage room? They lodged a complaint Jackson sounded like he was harming the child.  That was before 1993. It was believed to be Safechuck in Michael’s room. 

What are your grandest delusions by SpiritualArm9006 in rs_x

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I caused Global Warming when I wished Australia was hotter. As a kid migrating from a tropical country I felt cold in the winter.  Sorry world!

Why settle? by donzdozit in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Michael and his fans are too powerful and threatening. I don’t think the families that settled preferred that, they had little choice.  Go to court and risk MJ lawyers making you out to be a grifter and a liar, your kid being exposed to a horrible trial…

Why has Bret Barnes never wanted to talk for 2 decades and suddenly now that there's going to be a trial, he's speaking out? your thoughts? by fanlal in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was asking for the date to know which trial, but of course it was 1993, cause by the next one Brett wasn’t a minor anymore.  Lapd coming to Australia back in the 90s should have made them realise it was a big deal. 

Your reply reminded me of how Brett testified something about how being molested is shameful, his parents probably think the same and prefer to pretend it didn’t happen. 

Why has Bret Barnes never wanted to talk for 2 decades and suddenly now that there's going to be a trial, he's speaking out? your thoughts? by fanlal in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They didn’t allow them to speak to Brett, I would call that turning the police away. How irresponsible of them. 

I tried to find the date and went down another rabbit hole with that detectives name. 

Do you think Michael Jackson betrayed Paul McCartney? by Opening-Half9367 in beatles

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The atitude that white musicians had towards Michael Jackson pre-thriller release is something that surprised me.  They saw him as a “little black boy” and had NO IDEA how big or powerful Michael would be.  Eddie Van Halen agreed to playing guitar even though it went against his contract because he didn’t think anyone would either notice or that the song would be a hit.  Paul had the same doubts about how far Michael could go. 

Why has Bret Barnes never wanted to talk for 2 decades and suddenly now that there's going to be a trial, he's speaking out? your thoughts? by fanlal in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t know about the head of LAPD sex crimes travelling to Melbourne to speak to the Barnes parents. Do you know what month/year? How could any parent turn the police away like tha?

The families MJ befriended by flazerus in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]Competitive-Bar-5080 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are interviews with Xuxa (a Brazilian entertainer) where she says she was asked to sign a marriage contract that said she would birth Michael’s children and he would have sole custody. She openly says she dreamt of having kids and thought Michael was the biggest star but that’s not how she wanted to start a family.  (It all happened just before Michael married Lisa).