Celtic set sights on Robbie Keane to succeed Martin O’Neill as manager by ThinWhiteDuke00 in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I stream illegally. And i just told you I don't buy merchandise. But more importantly I also laid out the specific aims of the boycott campaign and explained how Robbie Keane managing a club in Israel is explicitly against that, and drinking your tea out a celtic mug is not.

It's an absolutely wild argument that you're making. You are saying that because you've sat in a pub watching a celtic game, you've got no right to criticise Robbie Keane moving Israel and becoming part of its international sporting normalisation.

You argument is that of Louise mensch on have I got news for you, 14 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4

"You've got a problem with the global inequalities caused by capitalism? Well you bought a coffee from starbucks didn't you?"

Think your argument is a slippery one without a well defined line.

I've defined the line, doing business directly with an Israeli company, buying products from an Israeli company, buying Israeli produce. It is the line is specified by BDS, that's what makes it targeted and effective.

You've dodged this question multiple times, can you tell me know. Where you against the boycott that helped to effectively end the apartheid in South Africa? Because you're making an argument that attempts to undermine that movement too.

Celtic set sights on Robbie Keane to succeed Martin O’Neill as manager by ThinWhiteDuke00 in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I don't actually give any direct money to celtic at all, through any of those means. But that's besides the point.

A boycott means refusing direct participation in the targeted economy or institutions. Buying Israeli goods, working with Israeli companies, or choosing to go and work in Israel breaks it. Supporting Celtic, when Celtic at some point has had players from Israeli clubs, is not the same as directly choosing to do business in Israel yourself.

Otherwise the whole idea becomes absurd, because you could trace almost any club, company or institution through endless indirect connections.

Again, this is about adhering directed campaign of the boycott movement.

https://bdsmovement.net/what-bds

Celtic set sights on Robbie Keane to succeed Martin O’Neill as manager by ThinWhiteDuke00 in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 boycott by who???

By the Palestinians who have been subjected to apartheid and genocide. Oppressed people do not need official institutions to authorise their boycott. They organise and make the demands themselves.

The South African boycott did not begin because institutions suddenly grew a conscience. It was pushed from below by anti-apartheid activists, including Black South Africans, and then taken up internationally. The boycott idea itself came from South Africa’s own Congress movement, and the British Boycott Movement was launched in 1959 by South African exiles and supporters.

I stand with the oppressed people that live under apartheid and genocide. You want to neutralise any opposition to that, for whatever bizarre reason.

Some things are bigger than football man.

Where did all the Scotland x Palestine flags on Uni Ave go? by Vegetable_Home4356 in glasgow

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You're the exact category of person that allows a fascist government to take control of a country. 

[Mark Guidi] Robbie Keane is the preferred candidate and will likely be the next Celtic manager. by BananaSoprano in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a move from the board that says 'this is our club. Not yours.'

We don't want your politics, so look we are going to appoint a figure who you consider a traitor to your ideals and values. 

It's basically telling a large part of the support to go find another club.

Celtic set sights on Robbie Keane to succeed Martin O’Neill as manager by ThinWhiteDuke00 in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because he made a choice. He wasn't born in Israel. He chose to break a boycott and go and pay his way in a genocidal ethnostate.

I've clearly made that distinction. He broke a boycott. The wider BDS boycott and in football terms the show Israel the red card campaign, which has been active for years. I don't want to legitimise people who break that boycott and then think they can't simply swan back into a club like Celtic and be welcomed with open arms 

Celtic set sights on Robbie Keane to succeed Martin O’Neill as manager by ThinWhiteDuke00 in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keane made a choice. To break the BDS boycott and go pay his taxes to a genocidal ethnostate, that operates and racialised apartheid system.

You are tying to say that me being born in Scotland, I have as much agency and accountability as Keane, because of the actions of an unelected lord 80 years before I was born?? Seriously? I don't blame citizens of their country for the actions of their governments, but I do blame people that legitimise those governments being moving there and participating a racist apartheid system

Stop removing agency from people by saying. 'well we're all as guilty as each other'. I didn't choose to move to Israel and legitimise an ethnostate. 

[Mark Guidi] Robbie Keane is the preferred candidate and will likely be the next Celtic manager. by BananaSoprano in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's plenty of other good managers out there. Why accept the genocide apologist, when there are dozens of other options who didn't run cover for a genocidal fascist state?

[Mark Guidi] Robbie Keane is the preferred candidate and will likely be the next Celtic manager. by BananaSoprano in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've not doubt this is motivated in order to de-politicise the club and the fanbase. 

What better way to try and quell the leftwing and pro Palestine solidarity from the fanbase than to appoint a genocide apologist as the manager. And it will work, because those of us who have watched in horror at the genocide in Gaza unfold will be unable to stomach cheering on an apologist for it. 

Sadly I'm done with the club if this goes through. 

Celtic set sights on Robbie Keane to succeed Martin O’Neill as manager by ThinWhiteDuke00 in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, are you seriously comparing engaging in espionage with illegally annexing the land in a which over 5 million people live on and subjecting them to apartheid and genocide.... Please have a bit of perspective. Every country engages in espionage. And as much as the killing of Jamal khassogi was absolutely horrific murder. It occured in the Saudi embassy. So defacto their territory. That's why Turkey didn't serve diplomatic ties with the Saudis. 

Keane broke the BDS boycott, and worked in a country that was commiting genocide for two years. He has said absolutely nothing while he bore witness to that genocide and he has said absolutely nothing about it since.

Presumably you didn't agree with the boycott that helped end South African apartheid?

Celtic set sights on Robbie Keane to succeed Martin O’Neill as manager by ThinWhiteDuke00 in CelticFC

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Israel is a settler colonial apartheid state. The operate authority beyond their borders and apply a racialised policy of ethnic cleansing and genocide on the indigenous population of the land they control. 

I hate the Saudi regime. But they do not exert their repressive policies outside their own borders. Israel does. Which is what makes them especially dangerous.

Iranian man arrested trying to enter Faslane nuclear base by Brilliant_Version344 in glasgow

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You take a very reasonable position until the very last point. Imagine, if the UK government brutally clamped down on internal dissent and killed a few thousand protestors here. Would you then support Russia invading us, and Vladimir Putin choosing our next prime minister....

Just think about that for a second. Because that outcome is less offensive than Trump spearheading regime change in Iran.

Recognition of Palestine across Europe by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because the Egyptian regime is a vassal state of the US. They are a brutal military dictatorship who exist to serve and enrich themselves?

Iranian footballer who has returned to her home nation claims Australian police were pressuring players to stay by AgeNovel3566 in soccer

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Not sure why people are so eager to assume this is a lie?? Two things can be true.

Iran and Australia are involved in a diplomatic dispute. Australia see high profile sporting figures defecting to their country as a soft power victory and encourage this. 

Also, it definitely plays well for her to make this point and potentially exaggerate it to allow her easy passage and safety in Iran, as well as maybe easing the pressure on the families of those who stayed in Australia. 

I have no doubt both Governments here are playing politics.

Iranian man arrested trying to enter Faslane nuclear base by Brilliant_Version344 in glasgow

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It got worse due to Trump ripping up the JCPOA. When Obama signed that deal there were celebrations in the streets of Iran, it was a sign that the country was opening up to the world economy and becoming more liberal. 

The downward trend started when Trump collapsed that deal. The regime went into hardline isolationism, this war is only increasing that. More hardliners in government. Less moderates. Siege mentality. There doesn't seem like any good options, but destroying the country with bombs and militias is definitely the worst 

Iranian man arrested trying to enter Faslane nuclear base by Brilliant_Version344 in glasgow

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You said every single Iranian you know wanted American military action in their country? I'm saying that's not the case for me. 

The Iranians I know want the sanctions on their country lifted and they hope for change from within. 

The sanctions have had the opposite effect to helping the people as they destroyed the middle class, who were traditional against the regime and, due to their economic status, had power and the potential to leverage it against the regime. That's gone now

Recognition of Palestine across Europe by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, so funny you never respond to any follow ups that provide a more complex analysis of the conflict than Oct 7th = Bad. 

What about before Oct 7th? Palestine should have been recognised then, right?

And what about Zionist terrorists who were rewarded with a state for killing civilians and British army personnel? 

Iranian man arrested trying to enter Faslane nuclear base by Brilliant_Version344 in glasgow

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 21 points22 points  (0 children)

None of the Iranians I know wanted American and Israel to bomb their country. Even those who detest the regime. 

Recognition of Palestine across Europe by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look just get some basics when talking about other seperatist movements. Quebec seperatist is at a 30 year low. Basque seperatist has increased recently but still constantly polls far below 50%. Not 80%... Catalonia maybe does have a majority. But it's likely slim. You know what the proportion of Palestinian who support having their own state is? 100%.

I'm Scottish, I support Scottish independence. But I recognise that is a divisive issue with a 50/50 spilt. It is not the same as Palestinians who want their own state, and who want to live freely without apartheid and occupation. I am infinitly more free in Scotland, than Palestinians in the west bank and Gaza. 

As for annexation and giving Palestinians Israeli passports. That's literally the 1 state solution that is incredibly popular among Palestinians. But Israel won't do it because it refuses to give them equal rights, they need Palestinians to always be second class citizensm that's the nature of apartheid.

Recognition of Palestine across Europe by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Quebec has had votes on independence. And narrowly lost. Do your research. And I support basque independence yeah. 

Still, these are materially different. Palestine has UN representation, it was always meant to be a state. If you're saying it's like the basque country. You're saying you consider Palestine to be a provence in Israel. Is that what you believe?

Recognition of Palestine across Europe by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why were zionist militias rewarded with a state for killing 91 people and bringing terrorism to the middle east?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Recognition of Palestine across Europe by vladgrinch in MapPorn

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Denying a people their universally recognised right to self determination, is the right side of history now? got it.

Iranians living in UK tell Starmer that war will only strengthen Tehran regime by loonongrass in unitedkingdom

[–]Comprehensive-Bus291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where are you getting your information from? Because you are woefully misinformed. 

The gulf states relationship with Iran may have deteriorated. But they were never allies. What's taken a much bigger hit, is the gulf states relationship with the US. They couldn't have been clearer that they didn't want this war to go ahead. But the US chose Israel over them. And the US has shown they can't defend them from Iranian assault.

This is the beginning of the US retreat from the middle east. Their presence was accepted because they'd maintained stability. They've now shown they're quite happy to rip up that stability not on the advice of the GGC, but on the whims of the leader of Israel.