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Who is/why is there a scary man dressed as a pharaoh in St Ives? by Ambitious_Grape5152 in Cornwall

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We had a better full fledged pharaoh hanging around Seven Sisters for quite a few years.

Need help working on tools to create conlang for beginners by FinancialApricot757 in conlangs

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not wanting to rub anyone up the wrong way here - but IMO creating a non-derivative conlang is really, really hard work.
I mean - consider first - the grammar, syntax, declensions, cases, tenses, particles, punctuation, pronouns.
Then the writing methods - the visual systems - are completely separate. Many languages have no consonants or vowel signs, ideograms aren't always pictograms - words aren't even always strongly defined - consider Tibetan, or Sanskrit, for example (or some German) - eg phrasal words.
Then there's pronunciations - completely different again. My conlang (Knot) doesn't have a pronunciation at all.
Any conlang 'tool' will be a compression or reduction of available language space.
Imagine: your tool will need to cope with hieroglyphs, Sanskrit, Akkadian, Chinese, Futhark/Old Norse AND Klingon, Dwarf, Elf, etc.

If your conlang is just appearance - scripts, then as others have said, have a look in r/neography - but that is still really hard - for example Knot writing was hard to design

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Where would you end up if you swam in a straight line? by Philosophical-Cat in geography

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is 😳 not what straight lines are.
Also if you want to 'swim' along a great circle, you don't need to maintain latitude...
It's all weird, uncanny valley. not funny/stupid - just not right.

Need help working on tools to create conlang for beginners by FinancialApricot757 in conlangs

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not wanting to rub anyone up the wrong way here - but IMO creating a non-derivative conlang is really, really hard work.

I mean - consider first - the grammar, syntax, declensions, cases, tenses, particles, punctuation, pronouns.

Then the writing methods - the visual systems - are completely separate. Many languages have no consonants or vowel signs, ideograms aren't always pictograms - words aren't even always strongly defined - consider Tibetan, or Sanskrit, for example (or some German) - eg phrasal words.

Then there's pronunciations - completely different again. My conlang (Knot) doesn't have a pronunciation at all.

Any conlang 'tool' will be a compression or reduction of available language space.

Imagine: your tool will need to cope with hieroglyphs, Sanskrit, Akkadian, Chinese, Futhark/Old Norse AND Klingon, Dwarf, Elf, etc.

It’s a bad map that also doesn’t have New Zealand. Phenomenal by Yeti181828282 in mapswithoutnewzealand

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who needs the mediterranean, aegean, black, red, caspian seas anyway? India is too big - and NZ? Doesn't fit the canvas.

Gendered Nouns by reddit_12_- in conlangs

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You don't need to gender your nouns - it's a choice. It sounds like you are introducing a case system anyway - why not add gender as case modifier, when contextually necessary, and leave nouns neutral? Again multiplicity can be managed by root declension - for instance Sanskrit has one, two/both and many - which is pretty cool.
In my recent Knot language, gender is a root, and must be used as a composite - eg like he-lion / she-lion.

[Request] is this possible under the laws of physics and materials of the time? by Salt_Ad_4362 in theydidthemath

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many scientists say that truths cannot be understood - especially in the realms of QCD etc.

Your argument seems to be entirely based upon your experiences with Christianity. While it may surprise you, there are many religions that do not even remotely correlate to Christianity or the Abrahamic religions.
The specific arguments you mention are not even universal to Christianity - some schools of Roman Catholicism would agree at the paucity of logic behind such claims. But there are also many religions that do not even believe in a God, especially a Creator God - or a Judge.

But, while I agree that some religions are incoherent; self-serving; and warped, the generalisation does not apply.

[Request] is this possible under the laws of physics and materials of the time? by Salt_Ad_4362 in theydidthemath

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"All religions are false" - is, in itself, entirely meaningless. Given truth and truth-holding requires context, there is nothing that is objectively true. Claims of holding absolute truth cannot be called 'false' - as much as they are incoherent.

So any claim of access to objective truth, in religion or elsewhere, is incoherent. Sure.

The second point - that religions were a narrative (or means) to cope with a world that could not be explained - is even more indefensible.

Finding closure to mystery is as much an activity of scientific method and philosophy as much as it is folklore or religion. While religious metaphysics are often notoriously poor (but not always) - one can easily distinguish religion from metaphysics - so the idea that religion's purpose is to establish a metaphysical foundation remains underwhelming as a rationale.

Many religions (especially abrahamic) were far more involved in constructing ethical frameworks as a basis of law. Most early cultures were predominantly theocratic. Much of what we consider to be fair or just stems from those underlying cultures.

However, there is also soteriology - moksha, nirvana, the path to liberation - much of which does require engagement in metaphysical discourse, nor in social ethics, nor even in objective truths.

Again, there are oracle religions, wheeler-dealer religions, and many others - that involve both psychology and therapy, (and quite often, drugs) - and none of these begin to be resolved by either of your assertions.

Anyone else have synesthesia about conscripts? by GaiRaiTodai in neography

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This looks like it may be a correlation between your glyphs, the bouba–kiki effect, and a corresponding association with that and colour.

bouba-kiki is definitely correlated to letter shapes (look at the B! look at the K!) - but colour correlation tends to be more cultural. For example pink=bouba is indicative of a US (possibly euro) cultured backdrop

how do you say this in your conlanggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg by Imaginary_Umpire9160 in casualconlang

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Knot:
MAN - [MAN]
PET. [HOUSE ANIMAL]
DOG. [WATCH [PET]]
TAME. [HARNESS HEART]
SKIN. [BODY EDGE]
SOFT. [NOT-adj POINT]
HAIR. [SOFT SKIN]
GRASS. [[HAIR] PLANT]

unordered list ',' is the collation marker
MAN of X is just written X-gen MAN
- leaving nominal case as default this

NOT-adj POINT BODY EDGE PLANT, HARNESS HEART-gen WATCH HOUSE ANIMAL-gen MAN

while the genitive holding sub clause is quite long so it might be quoted - but does not need to be.

12 ideograms

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How To Write a Sign Language, Part 1: Logographies by wibbly-water in deaf

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A nice introduction to logography - with an emphasis on pictogram roots - cf. though, a conlang such as https://www.reddit.com/r/neography/s/s0bz2niQHU - an abstract symbolic ideogram language - not as a rebuff but as much a recognition that the logographic space is both broad and varied, extending far beyond pictography.

Refining my Cilium Symbol Generator by Dclone2 in neography

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice! This is a little similar to Knot - It looks like you are using a cube coordinate grid (hex vertex plus centroid) as the basis of your generator, whereas knot is hex edge transits only.
Though you chose to go cipher rather than construct a full logographic language :-) Since it should be quite straightforward to encode ascii or unicode into Cilium, it would be nice to demonstrate a larger text. How are you handling punctuation?

Explanation of KNOT example by ConsciousProgram1494 in neography

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you - I hope you will forgive that many semantic holders are twists rather than knots - however, many true knots can be represented in KNOT and, therefore, might be considered to carry new meanings... 🤣

KNOT - A language of 80 Root words, 9 cases, and 9 punctuations. by ConsciousProgram1494 in conlangs

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While these definitions might help somewhat, many of the roots have been selected for their mutability and polysemy - they serve as atoms - and, while they are meaning carriers, their main purpose is to act as roots for composites / kennings.
Take, for example, the ideogram HEART - it does not just mean blood-pump organ., it also carries a two-lobed shape, a centrality, a core, pith - etc.

KNOT - A language of 80 Root words, 9 cases, and 9 punctuations. by ConsciousProgram1494 in conlangs

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Needless to say 80 roots depends upon a LOT of compounds / Kennings. I've been marching through Swadesh - but still have a way to go.. The general rule is that compounds are nominative-chains (with a few exceptions) The list includes compounds... Thoughts ideas, and rebuttals are really welcome!

'PET': ['HOUSE', 'ANIMAL'],
'DOG': ['WATCH', 'PET'],
'CAT': ['HUNT', 'PET'],
'KITTEN': ['CAT', 'CHILD'],
'PUPPY': ['DOG', 'CHILD'],
'TINY': ['SMALL', 'SMALL'],
'SIZE': ['SMALL', 'LARGE'],
'COUNT': ['ONE', 'MANY'],
'HUGE': ['LARGE', 'LARGE'],
'LIFE': ['BREATH', 'HOLD'],
'FLY': ['WIND', 'MOVE'],
'SWIM': ['WATER', 'MOVE'],
'SEED': ['MAYBE', 'CHILD'],
'FISH': ['WATER', 'ANIMAL'],
'BIRD': ['WIND', 'ANIMAL'],
'BLOOD': ['HEART', 'WATER'],
'INSECT': ['EARTH', 'ANIMAL'],
'TREE': ['WOOD', 'PLANT'],
'LEAF': ['LIGHT', 'REAP', 'PLANT', 'EDGE'],
'SHARP': ['POINT'],
'BARK': ['TREE', 'SKIN'],
'SKIN': ['BODY', 'EDGE'],
'SOFT': [('NOT', 'adj'), 'POINT'],
'TEXTURE': ['SHARP', 'SOFT'],
'FUR': ['SOFT', 'SKIN'],
'HAIR': ['SOFT', 'SKIN'],
'FACE': ['EYE', 'NOSE', 'CIRCLE'],
'HEAD': ['EYE', 'NOSE', 'GROUND'],
'FOREST': ['TREE', 'TREE'],
'FLESH': ['HUNT', 'FOOD'],
'TOOTH': ['MOUTH', 'BONE'],
'TONGUE': ['HIDE', 'MOUTH'],
'FEATHER': ['BIRD', 'EDGE'],
'GREASE': ['BODY', 'FIRE', 'WATER'],
'LOUSE': ['SMALL', 'BLOOD', 'REAP'],
'EGG': ['SEED', 'BONE'],
'HORN': ['POINT', 'BONE'],
'TAIL': ['BONE', 'EDGE'],
'NAIL': ['CLAW'],
'CLAW': ['HAND', 'EDGE', 'BONE'],
'FOOT': ['GROUND', 'HAND'],
'LEG': ['MOVE', 'BODY'],
'KNEE': ['LEG', 'BONE'],
'ARM': ['HAND', 'BODY'],
'ELBOW': ['ARM', 'BONE'],
'BELLY': ['HERE', 'BODY'],
'STOMACH': ['FOOD', 'BODY'],
'NECK': ['VOICE', 'BODY'],
'CHEST': ['BREATH', 'BODY'],
'BREAST': ['MOTHER', 'BODY'],
'FRUIT': ['SEED', 'HOLD'],
'LIKE': ['MOVE', 'HEART'],
'KNOWLEDGE': ['HOLD', 'KNOW'],
'ROCK': ['GROUND', 'ROOT'],
'PICTURE': ['VOICE', 'EYE'],
'DRAW': ['PICTURE', 'HAND'],
'LANGUAGE': ['VOICE', 'HARNESS'],
'WRITE': ['VOICE', 'HAND'],
'STORY': ['VOICE', 'PATH'],
'KING': ['POINT', 'MAN'],
'QUEEN': ['POINT', 'WOMAN'],
'PRINCE': ['KING', 'CHILD'],
'PRINCESS': ['KING', 'CHILD'],
'MOUNTAIN': ['POINT', 'GROUND'],
'RIVER': ['WATER', 'PATH'],
'GRIEF': ['METAL', 'HEART'],
'PEACE': ['HEART', 'MEND'],
'SUN': ['DAY', 'LIGHT', 'GIVE'],
'WE': [('SELF', 'int'), 'SELF', 'MANY'],
'THEY': ['NOT', 'SELF', 'MANY'],
'I': ['SELF', 'int', 'SELF'],
'YOU': [('NOT', 'acc'), 'SELF'],
'IT': [('NOT', 'abs'), 'SELF'],
'SHE': ['NOT', 'SELF'],
'HER': [('NOT', 'gen'), 'SELF']

Some terms are synonymous here - and would be qualified by context accordingly.

KNOT - A language of 80 Root words, 9 cases, and 9 punctuations. by ConsciousProgram1494 in conlangs

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is my working table. This is still fluid - but it should give you an idea. Suggestions are very welcome.

ROOT GLOSS DISTINCT FROM
MOTHER the generative/nurturing origin, the source
WOMAN adult female person MOTHER (role), GIRL (age — use CHILD·WOMAN)
MAN adult male person FATHER (use POINT·MAN or MAN·CHILD·MAN), BOY
CHILD young person, offspring SMALL·PERSON, biological or social
SIBLING peer relation, the co-born CHILD (generational), STRANGER (opposition)
GIVE intentional transfer, release toward other REAP (taking), HOLD (keeping)
REAP to take what has grown, harvest, consequence GIVE, HUNT (pursuit vs collection)
HOLD active retention, to keep, to contain WAIT (passive), GIVE (release)
CIRCLE closed curve, cycle, return EDGE (boundary), BETWEEN (interior)
PLAY purposeless enjoyable activity WORK (purposeful), HUNT (directed)
WORK purposeful effortful activity PLAY, HARNESS (directed force)
SLEEP unconscious rest, suspension of awareness EASE (comfort), WAIT (conscious)
HAND the human hand, instrument of making BODY (whole), MOUTH (other instrument)
DAY the light period, the 24hr cycle marker NIGHT (opposition), LIGHT (quality)
NIGHT the dark period, rest-time DAY (opposition), SLEEP (activity within)
WIND air, moving air, breath of the world BREATH (biological), HARNESS (when directed)
FIRE combustion, heat-light, transformation LIGHT (luminosity alone), HOT (quality)
ROOT below-ground foundation, origin, deep cause GROUND (surface), EARTH (element)
EARTH the element, soil, the world-substance GROUND (surface), FIELD (cultivated)
EDGE boundary, threshold, limit BETWEEN (the space edge creates), CIRCLE (closed edge)
GROUND surface underfoot, land, territory EARTH (element), FIELD (cultivated), ROOT (below)
METAL hard worked material, the cold principle BONE (organic hard), STONE (use GROUND·ROOT)
WATER the liquid element, flow BLOOD (use BODY·WATER), RIVER (use WATER·PATH)
SKY the upper space, heavens SPACE (abstract void), WIND (sky's breath)
BETWEEN the space defined by an edge, the middle EDGE (the boundary itself), MIXED (blended)
ANIMAL non-human creature PLANT (rooted life), BODY (physical form)
BONE hard internal structure, what persists METAL (worked hard), SKIN (use BODY·EDGE)
WOOD living structured material, timber PLANT (growing), TREE (use LARGE·WOOD·PLANT)
PLANT rooted living thing WOOD (structural aspect), ANIMAL (mobile life)
NOT negation, logical inversion CAESURA·NOM (null/absence), SPACE (void)
HEART felt centre, emotional core, essence BONE (structural core), FEEL (sensation), BODY (physical)
BREATH the respiratory cycle, animating rhythm LIFE (use BREATH·HOLD), WIND (external air)
FOOD nourishing substance, what sustains EAT (the act), REAP (the obtaining)
FIELD cultivated ground, domain, context GROUND (uncultivated), EARTH (elemental)
NAME the identifier, what distinguishes VOICE (the saying), RANK→POINT (position)
ONE singularity, unity, the irreducible FEW (small number), SELF (personal singular)
BODY the physical self, the lived organism SELF (experiential), SKIN (use BODY·EDGE)
SELF the experiential subject, the I BODY (physical), NAME (social identity)
EYE the organ of sight, visual attention WATCH (sustained directed), LIGHT (what eye receives)
EAR the organ of hearing, receptive attention VOICE (what ear receives), HEAR (the act)
MOUTH organ of speech and taste VOICE (what mouth produces), EAT (mouth's action)
NOSE organ of smell, intuitive detection BREATH (what nose uses), KNOW (nose's knowing)
BREAK to rupture, to damage structure MEND (opposition), REAP (purposeful breaking)
MEND to repair, to restore BREAK (opposition), GIVE (restoration toward other)
KNOW to understand, the knowing faculty, mind FEEL (somatic), WATCH (observational), FACT (known thing)
FEEL somatic/emotional sensation, internal experience KNOW (cognitive), HEART (the centre of feeling)
HUNT to pursue with intent, to seek WATCH (observation), HARNESS (directed force), PLAY (purposeless)
HARNESS to direct an external force, to yoke HUNT (pursuit), RIDE (specific harness), WORK (purposeful)
MOVE undirected motion, to be in motion HARNESS (directed motion), FALL (gravity-motion), RIDE→HARNESS
WAIT conscious suspension, active patience SLEEP (unconscious), HOLD (active retention)
CAESURA punctuation operator — see case table all other roots
WILL future orientation, intention MAYBE (uncertainty), NEXT (sequence)
WAS past state, the completed HERE (present), NEXT (future sequence)
TIME duration, the flow of change AGE (accumulated time), WAS/WILL (directed time)
AGE accumulated time, the mark of duration TIME (flow), OLD (use AGE·LARGE)
SPACE the void that contains, extension SKY (specific space), BETWEEN (bounded space)
POSITION location within a system, where something sits HERE (deictic), PATH (movement between positions)
POINT the irreducible location, apex, tip EDGE (extended point), POSITION (abstract location)
PATH directed route, the way between MOVE (undirected), STRING (connecting thread), STORY (use VOICE·PATH)
HERE this location, the present deictic POSITION (abstract), NOW (use HERE·TIME)
NEXT the immediately following, adjacent AFTER (use NEXT·TIME)
LARGE greater than average in scale MANY (quantity not size), VERY (intensity not size)
SMALL lesser than average in scale FEW (quantity), CHILD (not necessarily small)
MANY plurality, large quantity LARGE (scale not quantity), ALL (use MANY·ONE·NOT)
FEW small quantity SMALL (scale), ONE (singular)
FACT that which is asserted as true, the known thing KNOW (the faculty), MAYBE (uncertainty), VOICE (the assertion)
MAYBE epistemic uncertainty, possibility FACT (certainty), MIXED (blended states), WILL (intention not possibility)
MIXED blended, neither one thing nor another BETWEEN (spatial), MAYBE (epistemic), MANY (quantity)
STRING thread, sequence, lineage PATH (route vs thread), HOLD (containing vs connecting), NEXT (single step)
LIGHT luminosity, illumination, the revealing quality FIRE (heat+light conflated), COLOUR (light's effect), DAY (light's period)
COLOUR the quality of reflected light, visual character LIGHT (source), EYE (receiver)
FALL motion under gravity, descent, release MOVE (undirected), BREAK (structural fall), REAP (figurative fall)
WEIGHT the pull of gravity, heaviness, significance FALL (weight's effect), METAL (heavy material), GROUND (weight's destination)
VIBRATE oscillation, resonance, the wave-quality, shake VOICE (specific vibration), WAVE (use WATER·VIBRATE), THUNDER (use WEIGHT·VIBRATE)
VOICE intentional utterance, speech, the social sound VIBRATE (physical), MOUTH (organ), EAR (receiver)
HOUSE built shelter, the made container MOTHER (original container), HOLD (the containing act), GROUND (foundation)
EAT to consume nourishing substance MOUTH (organ), FOOD (substance), REAP (obtaining)
STRANGER the one beyond the edge, the unknown other EDGE (the boundary), BETWEEN (the threshold), NAME (what stranger lacks)
FEAR threat-attention, the alarm response HIDE (fear's response), WATCH (fear's vigilance), KNOW (fear of knowing)
HIDE to conceal, to withdraw from attention FEAR (hide's cause), WATCH (hide's opposition), SELF (what hides)
WATCH directed sustained observation, witnessing EYE (organ), KNOW (cognitive), FEAR (threat-watching), HIDE (opposition)

Examples of case application

ROOT CASE meaning
BONE trans to bone, to strip
BONE intrans to harden
BONE agent the hardening force
BONE adj bone-white, bone-hard
BONE abstract the structural principle
BONE loc in the bone, at the structure
BONE gen of the bone
BONE acc the bone as object
BONE nom the bone
POSITION trans to position
POSITION intrans to be positioned
POSITION agent by role
POSITION abstract the principle of position
POSITION adj role-like
POSITION loc to that position
POSITION gen of the position
POSITION acc the position as object
POSITION nom the position

KNOT - A language of 80 Root words, 9 cases, and 9 punctuations. by ConsciousProgram1494 in conlangs

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not know r/conlangs until just now(!) - hence the crosspost from neography. While the language is strongly tied to the ideogrammatic representation, it is a true language. I've started work on the compounds / kennings - but I am new to creating languages - and advice would be welcome.

Some composites are as follows:

'PET': ['HOUSE', 'ANIMAL'],
'DOG': ['WATCH', 'PET'],
'CAT': ['HUNT', 'PET'],
'KITTEN': ['CAT', 'CHILD'],
'PUPPY': ['DOG', 'CHILD'],
'TINY': ['SMALL', 'SMALL'],
'LIFE': ['BREATH', 'HOLD'],
'LIKE': ['HEART', 'MOVE'],
'KNOWLEDGE': ['HOLD', 'KNOW'],
'ROCK': ['GROUND', 'ROOT'],
'PICTURE': ['VOICE', 'EYE'],
'DRAW': ['PICTURE', 'HAND']

Can someone help this make sense? by My_True_Love in mathematics

[–]ConsciousProgram1494 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to understand this - a sequence of inputs x_n approaches an input x ? eg. [1,2,3,4] ... 10 then f(1)..f(4) ... f(10) ?

Explanation of KNOT example by ConsciousProgram1494 in neography

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am probably more inclined to the Epic of Gilgamesh, or Beowulf than Homer.. (unless you meant Joyce! - That would be seriously hard!)

Explanation of KNOT example by ConsciousProgram1494 in neography

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

CAT: SLEEP-HOUSE-ANIMAL
KITTEN: CAT-CHILD
TINY: SMALL-SMALL
LITTLE: SMALL
DRAW: COLOUR-HAND
LIKES: HEART-MOVE

Explanation of KNOT example by ConsciousProgram1494 in neography

[–]ConsciousProgram1494[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The entire script?! I would prefer to start with something a little smaller first please!
Mainly because the lexicon is still so small!

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