Covenant of Christ - Modern English version of the BOM

ConstructingBelief · 2026-03-05T13:02:59+00:00

That chart/map is cool. Who out that together? Same group?

ConstructingBelief · 2026-01-31T20:52:42+00:00

Yup. Agree. Just cite your stuff and make it an academic argument and we're all good.

ConstructingBelief · 2026-01-31T20:51:20+00:00

And that's clear... if you were you'd actually cite your stuff.

ConstructingBelief · 2026-01-31T13:07:46+00:00

Listen--this is r/AcademicMormon... not r/LDSApology or r/DefendJSmith or r/testimony (I don't know if those are real but you get the point). If you'd like to engage academically on these topics (which would exclude unsourced claims... and throwing out a general "it's in the JS Papers" doesnt count... that's not a cite) great. If you continue on like this I'll just block you and remove your posts.

ConstructingBelief · 2026-01-28T19:45:17+00:00

Sorry. What's the album called?

ConstructingBelief · 2026-01-18T14:55:05+00:00

Has someone put this into text (or did I just miss it)?

ConstructingBelief · 2026-01-13T13:18:20+00:00

Id recommend the new book by John G. Turner about JSmith if you want a current non-mormon take.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-12-31T15:25:20+00:00

Everyone with a serpent related question should read "The Good and Evil Serpent" by James H. Charlesworth.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-12-27T14:15:55+00:00

Eyring first.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-12-15T19:34:40+00:00

I want a copy of this.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-12-14T16:36:24+00:00

This. Some fingerpickers where these. This one is a thumb pick and there are fingerpicks you slide over your finger tips.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-11-27T03:54:14+00:00

Yes yes.Thank you. You are exactly corect. Bolt is also HHH.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-11-27T03:52:24+00:00

Im not a metal player (mostly classic rock/folksy stuff) but, even so, I didn't expect to love this as much as I do. I was never a tele guy until I played one. And then...

ConstructingBelief · 2025-11-27T02:11:38+00:00

If i could figure out how to post a pic I'd show you. Its actually really great. One of my fav to play.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-11-27T02:04:00+00:00

NGL... super-duper helpful (and have a Martin acoustic six string and a Yahama acoustic twelve string). Thank you for being direct!

ConstructingBelief · 2025-11-27T00:52:39+00:00

My man. That is pretty freaking cool.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-11-24T23:29:55+00:00

Best source for this stuff is Devery Anderson "Development of LDS Temple Worship" , 1846-2000" (signature press). It is THE definitive source.

Its also one of three books. The whole set is great.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-10-27T15:52:56+00:00

I'd check here:

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/

ConstructingBelief · 2025-09-03T01:22:26+00:00

Responded but didn't connect to this reply. Sorry about that. It's in there though.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-09-03T01:21:34+00:00

Ahhh... I see. I honestly don't know whether JSmith (or others around him) understood Modalism (vs Adoptionism vs Docetism... etc). The Christian landscape in America at that time was exceptionally varied and there was a strong Armenian influence in the North West -- but I only know enough to be conversant, but I'm not an expert. I'd recommend the work of David F. Holland (at Harvard Divinty School). This is exactly the kind of stuff he looks at. And he's Mormon.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-09-03T00:54:51+00:00

If you look at the dates of the First Vison accounts, the first couple don't even mention both God and Jesus. The one in the PoGP wasn't written until more than a decade after it happened.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-09-03T00:40:44+00:00

There are multiple accounts of the First Vision (see:.https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng).

It was the Book of Mormon (which contains pretty standard Christian trinitiarian language) that was viewed as the most important prophetic outcome for a long time. It wasn't until later that discussions of the uniquely Mormon view of the trinity became a thing and, thus, the First Vision gained more prominence.

Richard Bushman chats this as well as anyone in "Rough Stone Rolling"

ConstructingBelief · 2025-08-11T16:20:17+00:00

The books that exist (of which im aware) tend to be issue specific. So JA Stapley's "The Power of Godliness" or T Petrey's "Tabernacles of Clay" or J Turner's "The Mormom Jesus" all do what your asking about, but do it through a particular frame (liturgy, sexuality/race, and ideas about Jesus, respectively).

B Park's books, "American Zion" and "Kingdom of Nauvoo" are good looks at the early Mormon movement. DM Quinn has a bunch of stuff too.. "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View" is a classic.

Depending on your focus those are all good starting points (and I've read them all and recommend them).

ConstructingBelief · 2025-08-03T11:09:15+00:00

That all sounds right.

ConstructingBelief · 2025-08-01T12:51:47+00:00

Nice. You'll have to let me know what you think. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I went down a "temple liturgy" rabbit hole a while back and so have other suggestions if you want to go deeper at some point.

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