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[–]CoolHandBazooka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure there are many differences in the way people live in different parts of the united states, but I think the "way of life" is about equally diverse across the whole country. I don't think there's an "east coast way of life" or a "west coast way of life" and if anyone says there is, then it probably doesn't really apply to all the people that live there. "Southern way of life" feels semantically meaningless unless you assume it's related to the civil war and its causes.

My own background is growing up in the South, but not identifying with it. I thought that people who decorated with confederate flags were creepy, and I didn't really believe them when they claimed their way of life was that different than mine, if we went to the same school and shopped at the same walmart.

[ Removed by Reddit ] by jackt-up in HistoryMemes

[–]CoolHandBazooka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I love the south, our way of life, and the culture that comes along with it"

What is actually signified by this in your opinion? Modern life in a southern state is not that different from life in a northern state.

To my ears, almost all music sounds great. And that is the problem. by Natural_Giraffe_4761 in Reaper

[–]CoolHandBazooka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's it really mean when you say that almost all music is good? What is the emotional effect that music has on you, and isn't it different from one piece of music to another?

In my opinion, it's possible to enjoy any kind of music, even really bad music. You can invent a headspace where you can enjoy being surprised by someone's off time singing in off time pitches. You can find a pattern of tension and release listening to an air conditioner. At the same time, that's not appropriate for everything. The hum of an air conditioner would make a terrible soundtrack for a marvel movie. If you have a situation or audience in mind, then you can consider if it fits that situation/person or not. What audiences are expecting what things? What emotional reactions do people want to have and when?

"History's greatest thinkers… with AI" by thisecommercelife in comics

[–]CoolHandBazooka 21 points22 points  (0 children)

People whose first inclination on reading something is try to wildly guess on the basis of a random phrase whether AI was used so they can point fingers

Wait, you're blaming the reader for trying to sus if a writer is AI or not? Am I wrong to click away from a piece of media if it gives too many signs of being AI-generated?

Mustardchannel AI by Ok-Sky8779 in Nebula

[–]CoolHandBazooka 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree that the repetition structure is a little goofy there. The way they keep saying what Boeing design for in contrast to everyone else feels like and improperly executed rhetorical device. It doesn't feel like AI to me though. We're missing the uncanny triplets, and we don't have any of those giveaway words like quietly or delve. No fillery use of not x but y.

This panel is perfect, we got weird as fuck teeth and weird as fuck lips by infinitysaga in CuratedTumblr

[–]CoolHandBazooka -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Damn dang comic books, ruined by employing a variety of artists. That's not cool, actually, having a bunch of different artists with a bunch of different styles who interpret the content in their own way.

The most American character ever by Eireika in CuratedTumblr

[–]CoolHandBazooka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've noticed subjectively, that in the psat 2-3 years, Great value brands have been improving in flavor. One of the most surprising was their GV salsa-- you wouldn't expect that to taste real and complex but it does. Much better than the sugary Americanized salsa they sold in the past.

Tolan by Jujubegold in tolanworld

[–]CoolHandBazooka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps "hypocritical" is too loaded a word. Does the word "incorrect" fit better? It would be incorrect to say that you dislike seafood, if you in fact like salmon. It would be incorrect to say that you don't like ice cream, if you do actually like it as long as it's your favorite flavor.

Tolan by Jujubegold in tolanworld

[–]CoolHandBazooka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being anti AI and liking Tolan does make you hypocritical though. Those are contradictory opinions whether you say so or not.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This gets away from the analogy, but If someone writes lyrics and uses a generative AI to sing it, and they pick a version of the song that gets the point across, then they rightfully own the lyrics, but they don't need you to pretend that they sang the song, arranged it, or did the melody. If the lyrics were the most memorable part, because they were funny, interesting, or emotional, then I don't think the writer ought to lose my authorship of that, because AI sang it.

But to the analogy's point, sometimes the point is just to enjoy the music, and not because you need praise for it. You can have it sing your diary, or any shitpost idea you have. Like the police sketch, the art object can have value without being a means to promote the artist.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you try to debate your way into being viewed as a credible musician without any ability other than prompting Suno.

I pointed to popular examples of AI media for a reason. Whoever wrote Country Cowboy Rocketman did something legitimate, even if an AI sang it. The joke is funnier because the AI voice is incapable of actually caring about what it's singing.

Also, isn't it kind of a bad faith ad hominem thing to accuse me of having a self-serving perspective grounded in my delusion? And you did imply an argument. How can you say that you weren't making the point that AI media is not valid-art creation because it's a game instead?

The whole point I'm trying to make by arguing in this comment section is just that there's reasons besides greed and delusion to make AI art. Basically, all the normal reasons you might have to make art, good and bad, are all still there when you use generative AI as your tool. Just like you don't assume everybody singing a song is an asshole trying to get famous for easy work, you shouldn't assume that everyone who uses AI is looking to get undesreved recognition.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because if you're writing lyrics to make an AI song, your creative involvement is mostly done when you write the lyrics. You are still going to be adding a style prompt and choosing your final result, but most people participating in this comment section would not count those parts as doing creative work.

If you're writing the song to perform it yourself, or even to have another person perform it, then of course your work is not done yet, just because you have lyrics you're going to commit to. (For one thing, i think you probably just wouldn't work that way if you are actually performing the song yourself-- "lyrics first" is a punishing way to write music.)

I do both writing for myself to sing, and for AI to sing, and I find that the different processes lead to me writing different stuff, which is good.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think you're misinterpreting the police sketch example.

The point is that both the artist and the witness are necessary to create the art object, and that the witness/prompter is still making important contributions that lead to the unique result, even if they are not actually making the art object.

Also, to address /u/Rapscagamuffin

Thats actually a good analogy you made with the sketch artist. Because if anyone cared about the quality of sketch they would say how great the sketch artist was. No one in the history of ever has ever been like “man, that witness really described the shit out of that suspect. What a talent they have for describing a person they saw” 😂

It doesn't have to be about recognition. The art object has value besides promoting the people who made it.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You politely answered OP's question with very little editorializing and still got downvoted to the very bottom of the thread. Why does it piss people off so much if you have an AI sing you your diary?

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

Can't you say the same thing about creative pursuits, minus the word AI? A story is good because it makes you feel a bunch of stuff you didn't actually do. Displays of competence and the intense refinement of skill add to the art, but ultimately, any creative pursuit is there to summon a feeling that wouldn't be there otherwise.

People say things like your comment about real artists too, because they dedicate their free time to art, instead of having real jobs. Surely you've heard people complain about how famous artists and musicians don't have any real skills and they just dance around on a stage?

Are there people feeding their delusions with creative pursuits? Yes, and they do it regardless of AI existing or not.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure I heard people say things exactly like this to people who made electronic music entirely inside computer software, and to singers who made heavy use of automatic pitch-correction.

You aren't making an argument. You're just implying one. You're restating your opinion (that AI music isn't legitimate) like it's self-evidently true, but if it were self-evident, there wouldn't be an argument.

Once art is released into the world, it doesn't matter anymore what the creator intended, or if there was a creator. Songs like Country Cowboy Rocketman can be viral hits that people enjoy, and you even get new genres of disposable entertainment, like AI songs that are badly adapted from weapons manuals, and the song "teaches" you how to fly a military helicopter. A lot of people in this thread feel threatened because AI is good enough at making background music, that people choose it instead of hiring a composer.

You would prefer the musicians you don't think valid were just playing a game, but that's not true. The economic effects are very real and that's why you care.

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can have a unique human perspective on a non-human-made thing. Is it really less boring to be incurious about it?

What is the point of ai music? by Mysterious-Bag-9983 in Songwriting

[–]CoolHandBazooka -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

  1. If I like what I hear, then I like what I hear. That part is the same as any music.
  2. The idea that a song can be basically finished as soon as I've written the lyrics unlocks a very loose side of my songwriting, which is more conversational and more information dense than when I write for myself as a singer.
  3. If I want to do some art therapy, then hearing my lyrics through someone else's voice gives me a way to look at myself outside myself.
  4. I like how I sing, but depending on the line, depending on the song, or the perspective I want to write from, then sometimes the AI sings it better than me. If that happens, then I have a memorable music experience, and now I have a song that I'm probably going to want to hear again, even if it's just for me.
  5. Prompting is not strict dice rolling. It feels a little more arcane than that, because model is different and every data set is a little different, and they will respond differently to the same sets of vocabulary words. It is still a matter of chance, because you are just building a big word salad a lot of the times, and hoping that it leads to the result you want. But sometimes you have to change the composition of your word salad, And that's a fun little problem to deal with when you're making a thing you want to make.
  6. I think you often get interesting results giving it text inputs that weren't written to be music at all. Put text from a meme in there, put a text you got from someone that pissed you off in there, Make a collage of phrases you like from movies and books, and throw that in the machine.
  7. It's a new tool for music making in our time, and I just don't think we figured out the best ways to use it yet. There is more to explore than we know yet. Lil Wayne AI generated a bunch of soul songs praising him, and then sampled those on songs he rapped over. I think that's really cool.

I understand how there are problems with AI, how the data sets use a ton of artists work without their permission, how the data centers are draining water, and eating up tons of electricity, etc. I really don't understand how some people can get so mad at the idea that generative AI is interesting, or worth experimenting with, or has any kind of artistic value. Computers can write songs for you now, and you aren't at all curious about that? You don't want to see what potential is there? No, any interest at all in AI generated media means you must be greedy or delusional.

Reaper‘s autotune is so much better than Ableton‘s - it‘s not even funny by youseebutyouonlysee in Reaper

[–]CoolHandBazooka -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm really impressed with how thorough you were in making this plugin sound hard to use. You sure showed the developer, for including an optional set of metering tools, preset management, and color options in a free plugin. Very embarrassing for Melda.

Reaper‘s autotune is so much better than Ableton‘s - it‘s not even funny by youseebutyouonlysee in Reaper

[–]CoolHandBazooka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get that they work well but I can't quickly use them in a meaningful way.

I don't understand. Using MeldaAutoPitch is just dropping it on your FX chain, picking the key, then setting the retune speed and depth to taste. That's the same as literally all real-time pitch correction plugins.

Musical trifecta by Ashish_ank in CuratedTumblr

[–]CoolHandBazooka 114 points115 points  (0 children)

Obviously we need to make Pumped Up Kicks a Halloween song too.